Bat Bat Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 To je UKIP? jest. No, ni M5S ne garantuje EFDu da ce imati grupu i sledece sezone (2014-19), za politicku grupu u EP treba min 25 poslanika iz 7 zemalja. Ekipa oko Plave Marine i EFD (gde je UKIP) bore se za jedno 2-3 kljucne partije, jasno je da ne mogu i jedni i drugi imati grupaciju.
Budja Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Yup, drug Najdžel. A zasto je to kontraverzno? Cini mi se najlogicnijim izborom.
Prospero Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Radek full monty :D Polish MPs ridicule Cameron's 'stupid propaganda' aimed at EuroscepticsSecretly taped expletive-laden conversation reveals EU fallout from prime minister's plans to curb migrants' benefits accessPhilip Oltermann in Berlin and Ian TraynorMonday 23 June 2014 15.40 BSTA transcript of a conversation between Jacek Rostowski (left) and Radoslaw Sikorski (right) has revealed the extent of the fallout between Poland and the UK over David Cameron's proposals to change EU migrants' access to benefits. Photograph: Peter Andrews/ReutersThe Polish foreign minister believes David Cameron has "fucked" up his handling of the EU by resorting to "stupid propaganda" to appease Eurosceptics, according to an expletive-laden transcript of secretly taped conversations.Radoslaw Sikorski, who is close to many senior Tories and, as an Oxford University student was a member of the Bullingdon Club at the same time as Boris Johnson, made the comments in a conversation with the former Polish finance minister Jacek Rostowski.The conversation between the two men, printed in Monday's edition of Wprost news magazine (Polish language), reveals the extent of the fallout between Poland and the UK over Cameron's proposals to change EU migrants' access to benefits.In another secretly taped conversation, the spokesman for the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, claims Tusk "fucked him [Cameron] up good" during a conversation with the British prime minister over plans to curb access to benefits in the UK.In the first conversation, Rostowski, who resigned as finance minister in November, is quoted as saying that "no Polish government could agree" to Cameron's renegotiation proposals, "except in return for a mountain of gold".It is unclear from the transcript whether the two ministers were discussing Britain's proposed revision of the principles of free movement within the EU, or more specifically the plans to curb EU migrants' access to benefits. It is thought the conversation was taped in spring this year.Sikorski replies: "It's either a very badly thought through move, or, not for the first time, a kind of incompetence in European affairs. Remember? He fucked up the fiscal pact. He fucked it up. Simple as that. He is not interested, he does not get it, he believes in the stupid propaganda, he stupidly tries to play the system."To which Rostowski says: "His [Cameron's] problem is that, is that isn't his objective, just a short-term propaganda effect."Sikorski is quoted as criticising what he sees as the British leader's attempt to appease British Eurosceptics with soundbites: "You know, his whole strategy of feeding them scraps in order to satisfy them is just as I predicted, turning against him; he should have said, fuck off, tried to convince people and isolate [the sceptics]. But he ceded the field to those that are now embarrassing him."The politicians voice their concerns about Britain leaving the EU, with Rostowski saying that a "Brexit" would be "not especially good for us, generally bad for us, because we would like for Great Britain to stay. I think it'll be the case that [Cameron] will lose the elections. Great Britain will leave."He then appears to imply that he believes Britain will keep its borders open to EU migration: "Once they do, they'll keep open borders. Not for beggars […] in the sense that they won't let in Gypsy beggars."Both Sikorski and Rostowski are the most Anglophile of Polish politicians, although Sikorski has become a caustic critic of Cameron's EU policies. Both men were raised and educated in Britain, Rostowski attending Westminster public school and Sikorski studying at Oxford where he was a contemporary of Johnson, Cameron and George Osborne.The transcripts include a conversation between Pawl Gras, the Polish prime minister's spokesperson, and Jacek Krawiec, the director ofPoland's largest oil company, Polish Orlen. The two men appear to be discussing Tusk's fallout with Cameron over the latter's proposals to curb access to benefits: "What the fuck are they on about with these benefits?" Krawiec is quoted as saying. "[Cameron] seems really sensible, I met him at the European forum of new ideas, he chats a lot of sense."Gras describes Cameron's proposal as "thoughtless", "probably suggested by [some spin doctor] probably came from some focus group", and that the British prime minister "didn't think through the consequences"."The whole thing was stupid, Donald called him at once to discuss it, he had such a go at him, I mean, fuck, it's a shame we didn't record it, he fucked him up good, had such a proper fucking go at him." "Good," Krawiec responds, "he was right to."Wprost magazine has, over the last week, been publishing transcripts of conversations between high-ranking politicians, leading to speculation that they may force the resignation of Tusk. Wprost has so far refused to say who bugged the conversations or how it obtained the recordings.Tusk said on Monday that he would not allow his political actions to be dictated by the people behind these "criminal" actions, while Sikorski said his government had been "attacked by an organised criminal group".Despite the Polish politicians' disparagement of Cameron's policies, an EU summit later this week looks likely to sound accommodating towards his campaign to curb social security benefits for newcomers. A four-page policy paper for the next five-year European commission, drafted by Hermann Van Rompuy, the European Council president who chairs this week's summit, echoes Cameron's criticisms by saying that public trust in national welfare systems is being eroded by perceived abuses.The document, obtained by the Guardian, calls on the EU to "guarantee fairness and preserve trust by protecting the achievement of free movement of EU citizens from frauds and abuses which, though limited, affect trust in member states' welfare systems and hinder citizens whose mobility contributes positively to thriving economies."As the five-year political season gets under way in the EU, there are further moves afoot to counteract high unemployment by cracking down on immigrants. A policy platform being unveiled on Tuesday by the biggest caucus in the new European parliament, the Christian Democrats or European People's party, calls for discrimination against non-EU citizens in the jobs market."Member states should give priority in labour market access to EU citizens," says the document, obtained by the Guardian. "We can't just go on as previously in Europe," said Manfred Weber, the new head of the EPP in the parliament. "We need a real reform agenda."But in a declaration in conflict with UK policy, the Christian Democrats bluntly stated that Turkey could not hope to join the EU any time. "Full membership is no longer our goal."• Additional translation by Pawel Swidlicki of Open Europe
Paul Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) njemacki mediji prenose da je presretnut i razgovor gdje se amerikanci oznacavaju kao nepouzdan saveznik, samo malo grubljim rijecnikom :D tusk i sikorski pricaju nesto o organizovanoj zavjeri sa ciljem da se poljska destabilizira Edited June 23, 2014 by Paul
akibono Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Pa gde dušmani udariše baš sad kad treba Radoslav da nam zameni baronesu.... pa da ga vidimo u kafani sa našim Sašom kako rešava bitna svetska pitanja, ili bar u vinskom podrumu! Svi su bacili sumnju odmah na rusku službu, mada su dosta ozbiljni i oni koji tvrde da mu to nameštaju neki poljski biznismeni koji bi da ga zanavek isprate iz politike. Evo onoga za amerikance - http://time.com/2909289/poland-foreign-minister-worthless/ Edited June 23, 2014 by akibono
Prospero Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Romanians and Greeks work the hardest in Europe TODAY @ 09:22 Bitter debate marks lifting of Bulgaria and Romania labour restrictions[Merkel under fire for 'lazy Greeks' comment BY ANDREW RETTMAN BRUSSELS - A new study has defied stereotypes by showing that Romanian and Greek people are among the hardest working in Europe. The survey, by Coe-Rexecode, a Paris-based research institute, looked at the number of “real” working hours in each EU state over the past four years - the amount of time spent actually at work, as opposed to nominal hours, which include absences due to sick leave, childcare, holidays, strikes, or commuting time. It found that in 2013, Romanian full-time employees worked 2,099 hours - the highest figure in Europe. Greeks came second; Hungarians third; Bulgarians and Croatians fourth; followed by Poles, Latvians, Slovaks, Estonians, and Cypriots. At the other end, Finnish (1,648) and French (1,661) people worked the least, followed by Swedes, Danes, and Belgians. Italian, Spanish, and Dutch people scored low. British and German workers were middle of the road. The trend between 2010 and 2013 showed the steepest falls in Finland, France, Sweden, and Italy. Brits and Germans also work less than in 2010, but hours jumped up in Spain, the Netherlands, and Portugal. The numbers go against a stereotype which emerged in the EU financial crisis - of virtuous northern states versus lazy southern countries who want bailouts. With Romania and Bulgaria at the top end, they also contradict British anti-immigrant rhetoric on "welfare tourism" linked to the lifting of labour restrictions on the two countries in January. Drilling into detail, Coe-Rexecode also noted that French people in the non-profit, industrial, and construction sectors worked the least, while people in the agricultural sector worked the most. Compared to Germany, the EU’s economic success story of recent years, French agricultural, construction, and non-profit workers showed the biggest negative difference. Ovi sa zapada i severa bi mogli da podignu svoja lenja dupeta ^_^
Paul Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 jab prije rekao, ne vjeruj ni jednoj statistici koju nisi sam krivotvorio
Paul Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 juncker izgleda prosao, britanija sve vise na nekom solo tripu
Prospero Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Još da Radek izduva i da uleti Italijanka, ihaj :)
Prospero Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Junker i zvanično kandidat, Kameron i Orban izgubili 26:2 :D
Roger Sanchez Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Junker i zvanično kandidat, Kameron i Orban izgubili 26:2 :D Waiting for Brexit...with bated breath. :D
akibono Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 nije da mu nije stalo :)baš se raspričao... Cameron tells EU it may live to regret Jean-Claude Juncker appointmentPrime minister says 'railroading through' candidate for European commission will have grave impact on British public opinionDavid Cameron has told EU leaders they may live to regret the appointment of Jean-Claude Juncker as president of the European commission, warning them of the grave consequences on public opinion in Britain.The British prime minister, who told EU leaders that the appointment of Juncker marked a "sad moment", tweeted his frustrations from the summit in Brussels. "I've told EU leaders they could live to regret the new process for choosing the commission president. I'll always stand up for UK interests."In some of the strongest remarks by a British prime minister at an EU summit, Cameron condemned a "backroom deal" to appoint Juncker, who was being "railroaded" through against the wishes of two EU member states: Britain and Hungary. još na ... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/david-cameron-eu-jean-claude-juncker
MancMellow Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Biće izbori iduće godine ludački zanimljivi. Saće Farage samo da kaže: pa mi smo vam i govorili da od EU ne možete ništa da očekujete, dakle mi smo bili u pravu, vaša priča o dogovoru je nemoguća.
MancMellow Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 1 oooodličan komentar ^_^ What you don't seem to understand is that Merkel doesn't give press conferences where she announces what her will is and then demands that other EU leaders follow her. She picks up the phone, gets a feel for what is possible and then makes a move. It's called diplomacy, something Britain was once famed for.
Prospero Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Upravo. Kako je Britanija dosla u poziciju da su njoj potrebni separatni dogovori i pravila igre, kako je izgubila moc da kroz briselske institucije radi u svoju korist, toliko da joj je ostalo da se duri i radi jedan bezvezan posturing. by TT via Nokia
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