Opšti topik o EU (ex kriza Evrozone)

[расејан]

Pa jes', čim zemlja obeležava dan osvobodilne fronte (kod nas bi recimo moglo narodnooslobodilakče borbe), mora da je komunistička. Jel tebi ovaj protestant iz Maribora liči na komunistu?

Виђао сам комунисте који су личили на православце, ал' бемлига ако разликујем протестанте од епископалаца или евангелиста, мени сви они изгледају исто.

[Filipenko]

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[Prospero]

Bravo za primećenu promenu u javnom diskursu i njene implikacije:

Lost at seaby Serge HalimiThose who decided to flee from oppressive regimes and go into exile 30 years ago were admired in the rich countries of the West and acclaimed in the press. The view was that refugees had “chosen freedom” — a museum in Berlin honours the memory of 136 people who died between 1961 and 1989 attempting to cross the Berlin Wall.Hundreds of thousands of Syrians, Somalis and Eritreans who are now “choosing freedom” are not welcomed with the same enthusiasm. Last month in Lampedusa, the Italian island in the Mediterranean, a crane was needed to hoist the remains of almost 300 of them, drowned after a shipwreck, on to a warship. For these boat people, the sea was their Berlin Wall, this island their grave. They were granted Italian nationality posthumously.Their deaths seem to have given some political figures pause for thought. On 15 October, former French interior minister Brice Hortefeux said the shipwreck called for an “immediate response: our countries’ social policies must be made less attractive” (1). He apparently assumed that extravagant generosity attracted refugees to Europe: “State medical care enables people who have entered the country illegally [to receive treatment free of charge] whereas French people may have to pay up to 50 euros ... The prospect of benefiting from an attractive social policy is a powerful incentive. We can no longer afford to provide that.” We do not know if Hortefeux believes that the 1.6 million Afghans who have sought refuge in Pakistan were lured there by its social services; or if 540,000 Syrians who sought asylum in Jordan escaped in order to enjoy the largesse of a kingdom where per capita income is seven times lower than in France.Thirty years ago, the West used its prosperity and freedoms as an ideological weapon against the systems it opposed. Now some of its leaders are exploiting the distress of migrants to hasten the dismantling of social security. These manipulators of misfortune prefer to ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of refugees worldwide are taken in by countries almost as poor as them.When the EU is not insisting that these states, already close to collapse, “stop this unworthy business of unsafe boats” (2), it is urging them to become its buffer zone, to protect the EU from undesirables by tracking them down or holding them in camps (3). The most shameful part is that this cannot last. One day, Europe will need young immigrants to reverse its demographic decline. The arguments will be reversed, the walls will tumble, and the seas will free up.

[hazard]

Na stranu da sam ja ubedjen da u skoro svakoj zapadnoj zemlji daleko veci procenat domicilnog stanovnistva koristi "socijalu" nego imigranata. Na stranu slucajevi ratnih izbeglica itd., gde ti stvarno mozda i dodje neko stanovnistvo s kim "ne mozes nista" osim da ga izdrzavas putem socijale (mada i tada takvi su daleko od vecine), imigranti prevashodno dolaze - da rade.Uvek se setim jednog mog profesora koji je pred bundzijama rekao "so, decide, are the immigrants taking all of your jobs, or are they spending all the welfare? Because they can't be doing both, really, can they?"

[Zaz_pi]

EU Probes German Trade Surplus in Push for Broad GrowthEuropean Union regulators began a probe of Germany’s trade surplus, using enhanced powers over how euro nations manage their economies.The decision to step up monitoring of imbalances in the German economy follows criticism that the country’s current-account surplus -- which at 7 percent of gross domestic product is the second highest in the euro area -- is limiting exports from other euro countries by adding to the strength of the single currency.The opening of an in-depth review into the imbalances in Germany’s economy comes after the U.S. Treasury blamed German surpluses for draining European and global growth. The International Monetary Fund also reprimanded Germany for its surpluses, urging German Chancellor Angela Merkel to curtail the trade surplus to an “appropriate rate” to help euro partners cut deficits.“Crucially, a rise in domestic demand in Germany should help to reduce upward pressure on the euro exchange rate, easing access to global markets for exporters in the periphery,” EU Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn said in a blog post on Nov. 11. “Removing the bottlenecks to domestic demand would contribute to a reduction in Germany’s external trade surplus.”

:)

[angern]

http://www.vestinet....-evropska-unija

[angern]

http://pescanik.net/...no-dete-evrope/

[angern]

http://www.bizlife.rs/vesti/65223-dr-propast-svet-pred-novom-decenijskom-krizom

[Zaz_pi]

Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU CommissionThe extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says.EU Home Affairs Commissioner Cecilia Malmstroem has presented a full report on the problem.She said the true cost of corruption was "probably much higher" than 120bn.Three-quarters of Europeans surveyed for the Commission study said that corruption was widespread, and more than half said the level had increased."The extent of the problem in Europe is breathtaking, although Sweden is among the countries with the least problems," Ms Malmstroem wrote in Sweden's Goeteborgs-Posten daily.The cost to the EU economy is equivalent to the bloc's annual budget.For the report the Commission studied corruption in all 28 EU member states. The Commission says it is the first time it has done such a survey.

Ima se, moze se.

[Prospero]

boo-fucking-hoo, pa što sad odjednom ne može da give-in-uje? što niste čuvali različitosti po istočnoj evropi pre 20+ godina i gradili na njima nego ste potrčali da udovoljite svakom partikularnom nacionalizmu?

 

ko vas j...

 

Europe cannot afford to give in to the separatists
By Cayetana Alvarez de Toledo

Secessionists hail the EU as a model of integration but work to disintegrate one of its states, writes Cayetana Alvarez de Toledo

The centenary of the first world war serves as a reminder of an ugly truth. As François Mitterrand put it in his last speech to the European parliament in 1995: “Le nationalisme, c’est la guerre.” More subtly, it is the refutation of cultural diversity, the rejection of political pluralism and the restriction of individual rights. That is to say, everything Europeans agreed to put behind them in 1945.
The EU stands for integration, solidarity, individual freedom and the rule of law. Ours is not a Europe of tribes but of citizens, and we must defend it as such. But this is now being undermined by populism and nationalism. Two of the continent’s biggest and most ancient states – Britain and Spain – currently face grave challenges from regional separatists in Scotland and Catalonia. These not only pose a threat to the very integrity of the countries concerned; they also undermine the bigger European project.
 
European leaders must confront separatism openly, and they must do so on political and moral grounds. Of course, they should play the legal card, invoking the EU treaties to remind the advocates of secession how hard it is to be accepted into the union and how easy to be expelled. This is what José Manuel Barroso, Commission president, skilfully did this week when questioned on September’s Scottish independence referendum, to the indignation of Alex Salmond, Scotland’s first minister. But it is not enough. European leaders must unmask the hypocrisy of nationalism.
Brussels, however, has coined a catchphrase behind which its spokespeople take refuge: Catalonia is a Spanish “internal matter” on which European institutions have no comment. Mr Barroso himself has used this formula several times, including in his reply to a letter from Artur Mas, president of the Catalan government, urging European leaders to support a referendum in November on secession. From Paris to Berlin, reactions have been equally non-committal.

A shrewd political strategy? A clever way of snubbing the separatists to reassert the sovereignty of central government? Many, including in Madrid, argue that this is the case. The government of Mariano Rajoy, prime minister, does indeed have the political legitimacy and legal instruments to counter successfully one of the most serious challenges yet to Spain’s laws and liberties. But any attempt to shrug off intended secession as an “internal matter” is a mistake.

In Britain, the strident euroscepticism of the UK Independence party obscures the fact that Scottish nationalism also contradicts basic European principles, values that should be defended in Spain, too. Catalan separatism runs contrary to the values that define Spain as a democracy and the EU as a feat of civilisation. It puts identity before citizenship and defies the basic idea upon which our peace is founded, that Europe should not be the segregationist sum of ethnic or cultural nations but a union of democratic states. In this, if not in their historical or constitutional underpinnings, the plans for Scottish independence and Catalan secession look and sound worryingly alike. They should be confronted on the same grounds. The separatists hail the EU as a model of integration but work tirelessly to disintegrate one of its member states. Mr Mas and his supporters urge Europe to support Catalonian independence in the name of democracy (“Let us vote!”) but simultaneously undermine democracy in Spain in the name of identity.

How? They distort historical facts to justify imaginary grievances: they have transformed commemorations of the end of the War of the Spanish Succession in 1714 into a denunciation of 300 years of “Spain against Catalonia”. They challenge the rule of law and, with it, the foundations of peaceful coexistence among Spaniards. The Catalan government has refused to abide by court rulings requiring children to be taught a minimum number of lessons in Spanish.

Secessionists often talk as though they speak for everyone in Catalan society. They do not. Catalonia is home to a diversity of views. When last week a Barcelona-based group of German businessmen warned of the economic impact of secession, prominent figures in the separatist camp were quick to dismiss them in shockingly perjorative terms – for which they later had to apologise.

Voters across the continent are demanding clarity. They want to know what Europe stands for and why it is worth their solidarity and sacrifices. In the memory of 1914 they may find the answer: there is nothing nobler, more decent or more necessary than the defence of individual rights and liberties against the smothering dreams of nationalism. Today, there is no room for ambiguity or silence. The issue of separatism is a profoundly European matter, putting to the test what the union is and what it stands for – and it demands a clear response.
The writer is an MP for the ruling Popular party in Spain

[Budja]

Dobro, Buffalo, MP iz PP. I nije neki relevantan izvor.

[Prospero]

pa znam da je 1 opinion (i to sa vested interest-om) u pitanju, samo je ovo selektivno skakutanje po istoriji uz znatnu dozu slepila za savremenost i političke tokove bolno upadljivo.

[hazard]

Pa dobro, Spancima konkretno jeste doslo iz dupeta u glavu kada je Kosovo bilo u pitanju

[Prospero]

pre par godina nekoliko španskih profesora je u bg-u držalo predavanje o ovim temama (eu poredak, federalizmi, separatizmi) i njihova konačna linija odbrane tvrdnje da secesija u španiji nije moguća je da je to zato što je španija demokratska zemlja, a iz demokratske zemlje niko ne želi da izađe. 

 

eto.

[Dr Arslanagić]

prve ankete za evropske izbore u maju mesecu

 

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2014 by Arbeitmann