Opšti topik o EU (ex kriza Evrozone)

[Budja]

OK, pretpostavio sam da se radi o poreskim kreditima i oslobođenjima i utvrđivanju oporezive dobiti, ali nisam bio siguran zbog engleske terminologije.

 

No, to su ekonomske kategorije, formalno-pravno je ta stopa 12,5% (u irskom slučaju) na oporezivu dobit, onu koja ostane posle svih odbitaka. Kod ovakvih stvari (prinudnog uterivanja poreza) te kategorije ne igraju ulogu, ovo je pravni postupak, a njih zakon obično ne poznaje kao relevantan faktor.

 

Koliko sam ja shvatio iz clanka i tabele koje je postavio Prospero 0.0005% kojom EC mase je u odnosu na racunovodstvenu, ne oporeivu dobit.

[Budja]

A bio bi demokratski suficit da guraju sve pod tepih. Pogresna analogija -- niko ne ide u zatvor zbog ovoga, nema utaje poreza. Irska je donela odluke za koje je ec ustanovila da krse eu propise i da prethodnih 10 godina moraju da izracunaju opet.

 

To sto Juncker moze da trpi politicke posledice je nebitno. Pogotovo sto me zabole za Junckera. Osim ako je svaka situacija povod za obracun sa eu.

 

Well, zamenjujes teze. Nije rec o guranju pod tepih vec o kredibilnosti i legitimitetu komisije, a toga nema niti ce biti dok je Junker na njenom celu.

 

Dakle, da li bi ministar finansija Nemacke mogao da prica o poreskoj utaji dok se protiv njegovog sefa vodi istraga za utaju poreza dok je bio sef u severnoj Rajjni Vesftaliji?

 

Random porezi na ekstra profit i "hapsenja Miskovica" nemaju apsolutno nikakav dugorocni efekat, a upravo je to ono sto EC radi sa Eplom.

[Venom]

Zamena teza je poredjenje sa utajom poreza ili ekstra profitom.

 

Argumentacija za nedostatak kredibiliteta je farsicna. Nedostatak kredibiliteta po tebi proizilazi iz toga sto je Juncker na celu EC, a njegov nedostatak kredibilteta iz toga sto Vestager radi svoj posao. Ako je odgovor da Juncker prvo treba da poradi na demokratskom suficitu i ode sa svog mesta, moje pitanje je -- zbog cega, ako ova odluka ne postoji? Dok Vestager ne uradi svoj posao, cela prica ne postoji. To je naravno fina kvaka-22 za sve koji zele svaku pricu da uklope u narativ o truloj EU. EU mozda jeste trula, ali ova odluka je sasvim na mestu.

[bigvlada]

We don't tax cool people.  -_-

 

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/gene-kerrigan-we-dont-take-taxes-from-cool-people-35001158.html

 

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/michael-clifford/apple-ruling-high-farce-hovering-just-on-the-right-side-of-tragedy-418567.html

 

 

Da li će se žaliti? Hoće. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/02/irish-government-appeal-against-apple-13bn-tax-bill-european-commission

 

Neka se spremi Amazon.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/02/multinationals-amazon-starbucks-austria-says

 

[Budja]

Zamena teza je poredjenje sa utajom poreza ili ekstra profitom.

 

Argumentacija za nedostatak kredibiliteta je farsicna. Nedostatak kredibiliteta po tebi proizilazi iz toga sto je Juncker na celu EC, a njegov nedostatak kredibilteta iz toga sto Vestager radi svoj posao. Ako je odgovor da Juncker prvo treba da poradi na demokratskom suficitu i ode sa svog mesta, moje pitanje je -- zbog cega, ako ova odluka ne postoji? Dok Vestager ne uradi svoj posao, cela prica ne postoji. To je naravno fina kvaka-22 za sve koji zele svaku pricu da uklope u narativ o truloj EU. EU mozda jeste trula, ali ova odluka je sasvim na mestu.

 

Nista te nisam razumeo.

 

Da ponovim, da li bi nemacki kancelar mogao da  bude kacnnealr ako se istrazuju poreski dilovi dok je bio na celu Severne Rajne Vestfalije?

 

 

In other news.

 

 

Amazon and Starbucks pay less tax in Austria than a local sausage stall, the country's Chancellor Christian Kern has said in a newspaper interview.

"Every Viennese cafe, every sausage stand pays more tax in Austria than a multinational corporation," Mr Kern told Der Standard.

"That goes for Starbucks, Amazon and other companies," he said.

He added that EU countries with low corporate taxes were undermining the structure of the union itself.

"What Ireland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg or Malta are doing here lacks solidarity towards the rest of the European economy," he said.

[aram]

Da ponovim, da li bi nemacki kancelar mogao da  bude kacnnealr ako se istrazuju poreski dilovi dok je bio na celu Severne Rajne Vestfalije?

 

ne vidim zasto ne, dok se istrazuju? ako se nesto nelegalno pojavi u istrazi, to je drugo...

[Venom]

Nista te nisam razumeo.

 

Da ponovim, da li bi nemacki kancelar mogao da  bude kacnnealr ako se istrazuju poreski dilovi dok je bio na celu Severne Rajne Vestfalije?

 

 

In other news.

 

Nema razloga da diskutujemo o falicnim analogijama, jer ne zelim da razvodnjavam temu sitna crevca diskusijom oko necega sto ne odgovara EU-Irska-Apple situaciji. Mada odgovor mozes da pronadjes ako se potrudis da razumes.

[FERNOUX H]

Here's a short Twitter Q+A that took place yesterday between Yanis Varoufakis and the Berlin Policy Journal. They covered topics like debt slavery, EU democracy, Thatcher and motorbikes.

BPJ: Thanks for joining us Mr Varoufakis
YV: Thank you for the invitation
BPJ: You left office about a year ago - any regrets? #i140c #eurocrisis
YV: None whatsoever. Once it was no longer possible to do good for Greece as minister, there was no reason to stay in office.
BPJ: Your proudest moment as #Greece’s Minister of Finance?
YV: When a poorly dressed boy pointed me out to another boy & said: “This is the guy that gave our mum a card to buy groceries!”
BPJ: Since you left, #Greek #euro crisis no longer dominating Europe’s headlines – #coincidence?
YV: My departure ended a rebellion against debt bondage/slavery. Slavery, does not create headlines. A slaves' revolt does.
BPJ: Describe your relationship with Wolfgang #Schäuble
YV: An interesting relationship between fin ministers of a strong & a weak country who were equally powerless to do what was right
BPJ: Any takeaway from the #finger #boehmermann affair? #Varoufake
YV: That satire is despised by despots and only appreciated deeply by humanists (even if it comes at a political cost to them)
BPJ: You recently came out as an admirer of Margaret #Thatcher – care to elaborate? #oppositesattract
YV: I admired something prescient once said by a political opponent. If we cannot do this, politics is inhuman.
BPJ: You were once dubbed “Most interesting man in the world” by .@businessinsider – are you? #nofalsemodesty
YV: If this is true, the world has become very boring.
BPJ: You are critical of the #EU but pro-#European – how does that work?
‏YV: In the same way that to be a good patriot you must often be scorchingly critical of your government.
BPJ: Do you think there would have been a #Brexit if there had been no#austerity?
YV: No.
BPJ: In 2015 you started democracy movement .@DiEM_25 in #Berlin. Do its aims fit into the current framework of the #EU?
YV: DiEM25 believes that the EU is disintegrating. We must stabilize Europe's economy first, before radically democratising the EU
BPJ: Any realistic hope to fulfill .@DiEM_25 's demands?
YV: Did the initiators of the anti-slavery movement think their demand was utopian? You bet they did! So what? They succeeded!
BPJ: Describe a day in the life of #Varoufakis.
YV: Writing, reading, debating and, at some point late in the day, chatting, watching, and listening with my partner-in-everything
BPJ: You're a fan of #motorcycles. Favorite model and/or place to ride?
YV: Yamaha XJR1300, coastal roads in northern and southern Attica, the Peloponnese plus wonderful B roads on Scotland’s West Coast
BPJ: Last question: What cause are you most passionate about today? #i140c
YV: Democratising Europe (against the troika's will) in order to prevent a return of the 1930s in some vicious post-modern form
BPJ: Thanks again for your time today!
YV: You are welcome.

[namenski]

Dobro si me podsetio: Varufakis je bio i ostao 1 pomodno govance.

1 politicka машамода, Karleusa

[Prospero]

Da je rekao da mu je omiljeni motor Honda CB750 ti bi ga kovao u zvezde

[namenski]

Ma kakve Honde i Jamahe, 1 folirant, nema to veze sa motorbiciklama

Doduse, kakvi levicari, takva levica.

I obrnuto.

[Prospero]

France and Germany propose EU 'defence union'

 

By Andrew Rettman

BRUSSELS, Today, 09:27

 

Von der Leyen: "It's time to move forward to ... a 'Schengen of defence'." (Photo: Industriegewerkschaft Bergbau)

 

Germany and France have drawn up plans for closer EU defence cooperation, including a new military HQ and swifter deployment of overseas missions.

The ideas were outlined by the two countries’ defence ministers, Ursula Von der Leyen and Jean-Yves Le Drian, in a six-page paper sent to the EU foreign service on Sunday (11 September) and seen by German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung and French daily Le Figaro.

 

The Franco-German paper says, according to Le Figaro, that “in the context of a deteriorating security environment … it is high time to reinforce our solidarity and European defence capabilities in order to more effectively protect the citizens and borders of Europe”.

 

The UK had in the past opposed steps toward the creation of an EU army or duplication of Nato structures.

 

But the Franco-German paper says that “taking into account the United Kingdom’s decision to leave the EU, we have to henceforth act as 27 ”.

 

The paper says EU military missions, such as the Sophia anti-migrant smuggler operation or the Atalanta anti-pirate mission, should in future be commanded out of a joint military HQ instead of rotational command by EU states.

 

It says EU states should create a new command centre for coordinating medical assistance, a logistics centre for sharing “strategic” assets, such as air-lift capacities, and should share satellite reconnaissance data.

It adds that the Eurocorps in Strasbourg, an existing military club between Germany, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy and Poland, could in future help the EU Council to plan missions in order to speed up deployment.

It says EU “tactical groups”, also knows as “battle groups” - joint battalions created by small groups of EU states - should be made operationally ready.

It calls for a single EU budget for military research and for joint procurement of air-lift, satellite, cyber-defence assets and surveillance drones, in a programme to be coordinated by the European Defence Agency, an EU offshoot in Brussels.

It also says the EU should foster a European esprit de corps by creating a new military academy or by having European courses at national military schools.

 

Core group

 

The paper notes that a core group of EU countries could go ahead on the basis articles 42 and 46 of the EU treaty on “permanent structured cooperation”, but that the project would be open to all EU states.

Speaking in Vilnius last Thursday, Germany’s Von der Leyen compared the plan to the EU’s free travel Schengen zone.

"It's time to move forward to a European defence union, which is basically a 'Schengen of defence’,” she said, according to the Reuters news agency, adding: "That is what the Americans expect us to do”.

“When we have threats that are surrounding us, we all know no country by its own will be able to manage that. But we together, we Europeans, we are very strong if we improve our capabilities as Europeans,” she said.

 

A French defence ministry source told the AFP news agency the idea was to avoid “substituting it [joint EU defence] for national defence bodies which remain, by definition, the key to the security of EU member states”.

French sources also said the plan should be implemented by “2017 to 2018”.

 

Same hymn sheet

 

The Franco-German initiative was reportedly cooked up between Von der Leyen and Le Drian in the margins of the Nato summit in Warsaw in July and is to be discussed at an EU summit, which will take place without the UK, in Bratislava on Friday.

The European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, is also expected to call for deeper EU military cooperation in a speech in Strasbourg on Wednesday.

The ideas are likely to win support in eastern EU countries, such as the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia, but could pose problems for neutral EU states, such as Ireland, as well as for others, such as The Netherlands, who do not believe that people in post-Brexit Europe want to make new leaps in integration.

Meanwhile, France and Germany earlier in August already put forward a blueprint for EU internal security cooperation, including an EU border guard force and better intelligence sharing on terrorist suspects.

 

[Dr Arslanagić]

 

Austrian presidential elections 'to be postponed because of problems with envelope glue'

 

[borris_]

Totalni raspad sistema u jednoj od najuredjenijih zemalja EU.

 

Drugi krug ponistili prije nekoliko mjeseci. Od tada je umrlo nekoliko hiljada tadasnjih glasaca i nekoliko hiljada mladih su dobili pravo da glasaju.

 

Sta ce sada da urade?  Da li da u ovaj "treci krug" idu sa starom izbornom listom ili novom. Kako god ekstremna desnica ce ih napasti.

 

Ovaj problem sa listicima nije bio predvidjem zakonom pa sada moraju na vrat na nos da izglasaju novi zakon za ovakve situacije.

Sto je najgore, na lokalnim izborima u nekom gradu (Bec valjda), desio im se slican incident ali tada nisu odlozili izbore. Iako je razlog jasan (na lokalnim izborima ima manje ljudi pa je lakse sve te probleme prevazici),slika poslata u svijet™ je katastrofalna.

Edited September 12, 2016 by borris_

[bigvlada]

EU Court: Not-For-Profit Hyperlinking Usually Not Copyright Infringement

BY ANDY ON SEPTEMBER 8, 2016 C: 54

BREAKING

 

A ruling from the European Court of Justice has clarified when the posting of hyperlinks to infringing works is to be considered a 'communication to the public'. Those who post links to content they do not know is infringing in a non-commercial environment can relax, but for those doing so during the course of business the rules are much tighter.

 

http-link-hyperlinkIn 2011, Dutch blog GeenStijl.nl published an article linking to leaked Playboy photos which were stored on file-hosting site FileFactory.

 

After filing a request with Filefactory, Playboy publisher Sanoma managed to have the photos removed from the platform. However, GeenStijl continued to find other sources for the photographs and linked to them instead. Sanoma said that this was an infringing act.

 

The case went to trial and was later referred to the European Court of Justice. The ECJ was asked to rule on whether the links posted by GeenStijl amounted to a ‘communication to the public’ under Article 3(1) of the EU Copyright Directive and therefore infringement.

 

After deliberating for months, the ECJ has just handed down its decision and it’s bad news for GeenStijl operator GS Media and others operating in a commercial environment. On the other hand, it may give a little more flexibility to the general public.

 

“In accordance with the directive concerned, Member States are to provide authors with the exclusive right to authorize or prohibit any communication to the public of their works,” a statement from the Court reads.

 

“At the same time, that directive seeks to maintain a fair balance between, on the one hand, the interests of copyright holders and related rights and, on the other, the protection of the interests and fundamental rights of users of protected objects, in particular their freedom of expression and of information, as well as the general interest.”

 

The Court says that when determining a ‘communication to the public’ several criteria need to be addressed, including any deliberate posting of links to protected works and whether the communication had any profit-making component.

 

In its ruling, the Court recognizes the importance of freedom of expression and notes the importance of hyperlinks when exchanging both opinions and information. It also accepts that determining whether a linked work is infringing could be a troublesome task.

 

Given the above, the Court found that knowledge of the potentially infringing status of a work plus commercial motivation play a pivotal role in determining whether a ‘communication to the public’ has taken place.

 

“For the purposes of the individualised assessment of the existence of a ‘communication to the public’, it is necessary, when the posting of a hyperlink to a work freely available on another website is carried out by a person who, in so doing, does not pursue a profit, to take account of the fact that that person does not know and cannot reasonably know that that work had been published on the internet without the consent of the copyright holder,” the Court’s statement reads.

 

“Indeed, such a person, does not, as a general rule, intervene in full knowledge of the consequences of his conduct in order to give customers access to a work illegally posted on the internet.”

 

The situation changes entirely when a person already has knowledge of potential infringement and is motivated by profit.

 

“In contrast, where it is established that such a person knew or ought to have known that the hyperlink he posted provides access to a work illegally published, for example owing to the fact that he was notified thereof by the copyright holders, the provision of that link constitutes a ‘communication to the public’,” the Court said.

 

When posting links for profit, the ECJ said that it expects people to carry out the “checks necessary” to ensure that work concerned has not been illegally published.

 

“When hyperlinks are posted for profit, it may be expected that the person who posted such a link should carry out the checks necessary to ensure that the work concerned is not illegally published. Therefore, it must be presumed that that posting has been done with the full knowledge of the protected nature of the work and of the possible lack of the copyright holder’s consent to publication on the internet.

 

“In such circumstances, and in so far as that presumption is not rebutted, the act of posting a clickable link to a work illegally published on the internet constitutes a ‘communication to the public’.”

 

The ruling is bad news for GS Media, who posted the links in the course of business even after being informed by Playboy that the content in question was infringing. The company says the decision is bad for the freedom of the press.

 

“The struggle for the survival of the free Internet including hyperlinks has today received a hefty blow,” a statement on Geenstijl reads.

 

“When commercial media companies – like GeenStijl – are no longer free and fearless to hyperlink, it becomes difficult to report on newsworthy new questions about leaking information, internal struggles, and unsecured networks within large companies.

 

“But we will not give up: for that press freedom we will fight on, in this case and beyond. Until then: careful when hyperlinking people, as today a minefield has been laid on the free internet.”

 

A landmark piracy trial in Sweden against the operators of streaming portal Swefilmer was suspended in June pending the ECJ’s decision. It appears that much will now hinge on whether the operators knew the content they linked was illegal and if a profit motive was involved.

 

https://torrentfreak.com/eu-court-not-for-profit-hyperlinking-usually-not-infringement-160908/

 

U skladu sa opštom državnom politikom približavanja EU očekujem od forumskog rukovodstva da dozvoli slobodno postavljanje linkova sa torrent sajtova.   -_-