Opšti topik o EU (ex kriza Evrozone)

[MancMellow]

1 rec - austerity. Sve sam lepo  (i jos neki) pisao/-li prosle godine.   Jbg. 

Edited June 11, 2016 by MancMellow

[Dr Arslanagić]

ne samo to. mnoge nervira što se titra Britancima, a tu su i migranti i svo sranje vezano za njih.

 

frankly, biće teška borba za opstanak EU.

 

naravno, treba li spominjati da proširivanja više neće biti...

[MancMellow]

Sto se prosirivanja tice, tu nisam bio u pravu. Jedini koji se uopste bave prosirivanjem sada su Nemci. Od ostalih nema nikakvog leba. Medjutim, ako istraju na ovakvoj ekonomskoj politici to vise nece biti bitno jer ce se EU raspasti, jer je neodrzivo.

[Lancia]

EU se raspao onog trenutka, kad je uveden evro. 

[MancMellow]

Sad je gotovo. Raspad evra bi de facto bio raspad EU

[Prospero]

Pa mogu da se dogovore da ukinu evro i vrate se na ERM ili čak na staru EPU (u novim okolnostima) a da ne sjebavaju ostalo.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Prospero

[Lancia]

Evro je uveden skroz amaterski. Ej, referendum   ! ljudima trubili odrpane frazetine, slobodna trgovina i lakse poslovanje. Niko nije pisnuo o negativnim implikacijama, na vodjenje monetarne politike, prelivanje vrednosti ka visoko profilisanim i izvoznim zemljama...totalni tjorak od ljudi koji ubijaju 20 hiljada evra mesecno pri i u Briselu.

[Tribun_Populi]

Bilo je reči o tome oko grčke krize, svesni su oni itekako bili da postoji latentna opasnost da se, bez jedinstvene fiskalne politike, ovako nešto može dogoditi.

 

No, to je već federalizacija a na taj korak niko politički nije bio spreman, pa su stvorili što su mogli. Što je šljakalo dok nije naišao prvi zemljotres.

 

Dokaz više da ono što nema solidne temelje ne može funkcionisati, kad tad će đavo doći po svoje. Pogledati pod Jugoslavija.

[Dagmar]

Jbg kad su primili Slovence, a onda i Hrvate, oni svaku uniju razruše. Do tad im je dobro išlo.

[Prospero]

The Brexit contagion could consume the French elite next

The French no longer dream of Europe, writes Philippe Le Corre

by: Philippe Le Corre


After the UK’s referendum on membership of the EU, France is now being forced to look at itself in the mirror, and ask whether it still wishes to belong to the community of nations initiated by two Frenchmen, Jean Monnet and Robert Schuman, half a century ago. Will France rally around the European ideal and forge an alliance with Germany to save the EU? Or will it follow the UK and become a gravedigger of the European project? The latter is more likely.
 
France faces a harsh and divisive campaign leading up to the presidential election in May 2017. After the vote for Brexit, it is hard to imagine that the main candidates will not make Europe one of their main priorities.
 
Meanwhile, the Pew Research Center has recently provided striking new data on what the French think of Europe. Pew’s report shows that 61 per cent of French people hold unfavourable views of the EU, against 38 per cent who view it favourably. Sixty per cent of those surveyed said they wished that the French government would focus on the country’s own problems, as opposed to “helping other countries” (36 per cent). Fifty-two per cent said France should pursue its own national interests.

 

The main question for the French political elite is the following: should it open the Pandora’s box of a referendum on France’s continued membership of the EU?

 

With the exception of two candidates of the extreme right and far left, Marine Le Pen of the National Front and the former Socialist minister Jean-Luc Mélenchon, none of the politicians aspiring to be elected president in 2017 — the current occupant of the Elysée Palace, François Hollande, his centre-right predecessor Nicolas Sarkozy and centrist ex-prime minister Alain Juppé — anticipated the shocking outcome of the British referendum.

Of mainstream politicians, only Bruno Le Maire, the so-called “third man” of the centre-right Les Républicains and a former minister for Europe, has called for a referendum on redefining the European project. (In an interview on June 27, Mr Juppé said it would be “irresponsible” to hold such a plebiscite in the near future.)

 

Writing in Le Monde in May, Mr Le Maire said: “Europe does not make us dream any more.” France needs to “heal the wounds” of the 2005 referendum in which 55 per cent of voters rejected the proposed European constitution.

 

Many commentators regard that referendum as a key moment in recent French and European history. One recalls Jacques Chirac, then president, looking at a loss when confronted with young and middle-aged jobseekers during a live television programme. Deep misgivings about France’s future in Europe were already gathering.

 

Today, there is deep scepticism about the whole European project. And were they given the opportunity in a referendum, voters could well administer the kind of treatment to their elites that their counterparts in Britain have just dished out to theirs. Although France is not an insular country, it faces an uncertain future. As has happened in the UK, “Europe” has become the scapegoat for those who feel they have not benefited from globalisation.

The Pew survey says that 66 per cent of French people think that the EU has failed them economically. The financial crisis of 2008 has left terrible scars. Between 2007 and 2009, unemployment rose by two percentage points. It is around 10 per cent today. The age groups most affected are the young (those between 18 and 25) and the over 50s. It is likely that they would vote for “Frexit” in a referendum.

Populists are rejoicing. The National Front presents itself as a viable alternative to mainstream parties. Ms Le Pen has already called for a British-style referendum. The far-left Front de Gauche (FG), which has close ties to the trade union that has led strikes against labour market reforms, will push for exiting the EU.

 

Mr Mélenchon, one of the FG’s leaders, has announced that he will run for president next year on a Eurosceptic platform. He said that Brexit is “first and foremost the failure of the German government, of capitalism, and of successive subservient French governments”.

 

Politicians in these far-right and far-left parties have no more government experience than the triumphant leaders of the Brexit camp, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. But unless mainstream politicians can find remedies for France’s malaise, voters may well give the populists a chance. It is time for French elites to take action. If they do not, they risk suffering the same fate as David Cameron.

[MancMellow]

Gotovo je sa osteritijem. One way or another. Cak je i Tereza Mej rekla danas da je gotovo sa targetiranjem suficita ako bude PM. Ako Merkel i Sojble to ne shvate na vreme ode ne samo EU, nego mozda i Evropa u 3pm. Jednostavno - gotovo je sa tom besmislicom, politicki je neodrziva vise.

[Tribun_Populi]

Pa shvatili su Štajnmajer i Gabriel, i javno najavili da odustaju od toga. E sad ovaj dvojac, jbmliga, ja u njih poverenja nemam.

[Prospero]

Bavarski ministar finansija (iz CSU) kaže da teret preraspodele novog budžeta mora više da padne na mediteranske države koje su sada više zastupljene posle Brexita, da je EU budžet (oko 155B€) prenaduvan, da je fiskalna stabilnost sve i sja.

 

Cela utakmica u Nemačkoj sledeće godine će se igrati između CDU i AfD, mislim da će obećanje osteritija (prema ostalima) biti nužan deo CDU kampanje.

[Tribun_Populi]

Pa toeto.

Zato i napisah da će biti dobro ako unija pretekne uopšte u naredne 4 godine.

 

Ako Francuzi u kampanji još budu podgrevali pizmu na Nemce zbog osteritija, onda puca kičma EU i ode sve u pizdu materinu.

 

Još će ispasti da su Briti bili avangarda™.

[Dagmar]

Pa toeto.

Zato i napisah da će biti dobro ako unija pretekne uopšte u naredne 4 godine.

 

Ako Francuzi u kampanji još budu podgrevali pizmu na Nemce zbog osteritija, onda puca kičma EU i ode sve u pizdu materinu.

 

Još će ispasti da su Briti bili avangarda™.

 

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