Generacija Y

[Muwan]

Kao pripadnik najmlađih kategorija generacije X, hteo bih da priupitam cenjene forumaše za mišljenje o generaciji Y. Pokušao sam da u pooll ubacim i opcije koje će omogućiti pripadnicima te generacije da se takođe izjasne, kako ne bi ispalo da samo hoću da popljujem mlađe od sebe. Na ovu raspravu su me direktno potaknuli a) neredi u Londonu i b) lična iskustva sa generacijom Y na poslu.Dakle, u Londonu trenutno vidimo ono najgore što generacija Y ima da ponudi čovečanstvu. Bez obrazovanja, bez perspektive, bez nečega što bi moglo da se izgubi, sa uzorima koji više nisu ljudi već proizvodi. Rezultat: nasilje iz Paklene pomorandže, uništenje koje je samo sebi cilj.Kada smo već kod ovoga, pogledajte listu 10 najnasilnijih igara prema izboru parent watchdog gupe Family Media Guide, odnosno zastupljenost igara koje igrača stavljaju u ulogu urbanog nasilnika (bold):

The 10 games named by Family Media Guide and the reasons given for their inclusion are as follows: Resident Evil 4 -- Player is a Special Forces agent sent to recover the President's kidnapped daughter. During the first minutes of play, it's possible to find the corpse of a woman pinned up on a wall--by a pitchfork through her face. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas -- Player is a young man working with gangs to gain respect. His mission includes murder, theft, and destruction on every imaginable level. Player recovers his health by visiting prostitutes then recovers funds by beating them to death and taking their money. Player can wreak as much havoc as he likes without progressing through the game's storyline. God of War -- Player becomes a ruthless warrior, seeking revenge against the gods who tricked him into murdering his own family. Prisoners are burned alive and player can use 'finishing moves' to kill opponents, like tearing a victim in half.NARC -- Player can choose between two narcotics agents attempting to take a dangerous drug off the streets and shut down the KRAK cartel while being subject to temptations including drugs and money. To enhance abilities, player takes drugs including pot, Quaaludes, ecstasy, LSD, and 'Liquid Soul'--which provides the ability to kick enemies' heads off. Killer 7 -- Player takes control of seven assassins who must combine skills to defeat a band of suicidal, monstrous terrorists. The game eventually escalates into a global conflict between the US and Japan. Player collects the blood of fallen victims to heal himself and must slit his own wrists to spray blood to find hidden passages.The Warriors -- Based on a '70s action flick that set new standards for 'artistic violence,' a street gang battles its way across NYC in an attempt to reach its home turf. Player issues several commands to his gang, including 'mayhem,' which causes the gang to smash everything in sight.50 Cent: Bulletproof -- Game is loosely based on the gangster lifestyle of rapper Curtis '50 Cent' Jackson. Player engages in gangster shootouts and loots the bodies of victims to buy new 50 Cent recordings and music videos.Crime Life: Gang Wars -- Player is the leader of a ruthless street gang, spending time fighting, recruiting new gangsters, looting, and of course, more fighting. Player can roam the streets and fight or kill anyone in sight for no apparent reason.Condemned: Criminal Origins -- Player is an FBI serial killer hunter in one of the first titles for the Xbox 360. Game emphasizes the use of melee weapons over firearms, allowing players to use virtually any part of their environment as a weapon. The next-generation graphics provide a new level of detail to various injuries, especially 'finishing moves.'True Crime: New York City -- Player is a NYC cop looking for information regarding the mysterious death of a friend. Player can plant evidence on civilians and shake them down to earn extra money.

Takođe postoji i ono najbolje što generacija Y ima da ponudi čovečanstvu, a to su mladi ljudi koji su dobili i iskoristili priliku da se obrazuju, putuju, započnu neka dostignuća u životu. Savremena sociologija ih definiše otprilike ovako:

Generation Y is the most diverse populace both ethnically and geographically and make up more than 70 million of the US population. Not surprisingly, one in three Gen Y-ers are not Caucasian; one in four lives in a single-parent household; while three out of four have working mothers. They are yet another generation of latchkey children. They are also the generation that has been branded at and marketed to. They truly believe in "Just do it!". They prefer bluntness to subtlety and live by and are extremely influenced by their peers and brand names. Word goes around almost at the speed of lightning, as they are the generation who are online 24/7. In the work environment, Generation Y-ers are team players, they enjoy collaborating with their team members to reach their goals, they enjoy corporate responsibility (think hybrid cars, solar energy) and they are a confident bunch. And thanks to them being the off-spring of latchkey kids who yearned attention and didn't get any, but made sure their kids did in every step of the way, Gen Y-ers expect to be rewarded even when they shouldn't be. They expect to be trained, coached and mentored so they can achieve the next level. If you don't provide it, they're off to the competition, where they will get their due.ConfidenceRaised by parents believing in the importance of self-esteem, they characteristically consider themselves ready to solve the world’s problems and leap tall buildings. Goal- and achievement-orientedThey expect an environment that is technically challenging, creative, fun, and financially rewarding. CollaborativeGen-Y are taught that no one is left behind. A minor consideration is that their favorite collaboration tool is Facebook. MulticulturalThey expect to live in an environment that is fair to all, where diversity is the norm, and they’ll use their collective power if they feel someone is treated unfairly. Civic-mindedThey were taught to think in terms of the greater good. They have a high rate of volunteerism. They expect business to contribute to their communities and to operate in ways that create a sustainable environment. Evo i jedne zabavne genY Extranormal animacije: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8265539/

Naravno u pitanju je američko viđenje koje je u principu primenjivo na čitavo zapadno društvo gde ne može da se živi od reklama za nove telefone, igračke konzole i automobile. U nekim drugim zemljama verovatno postoje drugi markeri, a karakteristike verovatno zavise i od religije, tradicije, stepena razvoja i mnogo čega još.Ipak, meni se čini da postoje i zajedničke crte koje su primetne svuda.Kakva su vaša iskustva? Da li ste bili u prilici da radite sa generacijom Y? Da li ih imate za podređene? Kako ih hendlujete? Kako vam se čini da će to sve izgledati za nekih 10-20 godina, kada budu efektivno preuzeli svet?Izvinjavam se ako sam nespretno sročio temu ali cenim da bi nekoliko forumaša i forumašica imalo šta da kaže na istu.

Edited August 9, 2011 by beowl

[rajka]

moj brat je gen-Y, i on i njegovi drugari svi rade, ovde u srbiji, ponasaju se prilicno moderno-preduzetnicki da tako kazem (ne cekaju da ih drzava dadilja), kupuju polako prve stanove, grade kuce, prave planove sta bi voleli i gledaju kako da zarade da to ostvare. mislim da su daleko bolji od starijih generacija, koji zive i ponasaju se kao deca. mislim da je to mahom zato sto su odrastali uz internet i mogli da vide i razumeju kako svet funkcionise daleko bolje od svojih roditelja.opet, u Americi i UK ih kritikuju da su gotovani, a ja sam radila sa gen-Yerima kojima nije smetalo da rade od ujutro do uvece, gde bi se vecina srpskih roditelja zgrazavalo, jadna deca, moraju da rade. dakle ja mislim, the kids are allright, bar u vecini. :)

[yolo]

uh, ja pomislio da je to opet neki topik o meni (sudeci po podnaslovu) a ono o ovim degenerisanim klincima. bilo bi lepo da znamo kakve veze ima ovaj topic sa srbijom i sta je srpski pandan ovome. to je realno jedino sto treba da nas zanima - nas koje zivimo ovde.

[Аврам Гојић]

bilo bi lepo da znamo kakve veze ima ovaj topic sa srbijom i sta je srpski pandan ovome. to je realno jedino sto treba da nas zanima - nas koje zivimo ovde.

naravno, its always about us

[Muwan]

bilo bi lepo da znamo kakve veze ima ovaj topic sa srbijom i sta je srpski pandan ovome. to je realno jedino sto treba da nas zanima - nas koje zivimo ovde.

Pa u Srbiji imamo GenY, ne? Od napaćene navijačke dece, pa do svežih diplomaca i mladih preduzetnika. Polako ulaze u korporacije, državnu upravu, MSP, političke partije a bogami i opskurne organizacije tipa Dveri, Naši... Mislim da bi trebalo da nas zanima.

[dig_chohano]

moj brat je gen-Y, i on i njegovi drugari svi rade, ovde u srbiji, ponasaju se prilicno moderno-preduzetnicki da tako kazem (ne cekaju da ih drzava dadilja), kupuju polako prve stanove, grade kuce, prave planove sta bi voleli i gledaju kako da zarade da to ostvare.

Da je ovo tipičan primer generacije Y u Srbiji, generacija X se ne bi hvatala svake slamke da zapali odatle, nego bi vikendom šetali generaciju Z po Tašmajdanu, Kališu i Savskom keju...

[dux]

Rajka je infiltrator sa 365 lepih dana u Srbiji!

[Lancia]

Da je ovo tipičan primer generacije Y u Srbiji, generacija X se ne bi hvatala svake slamke da zapali odatle, nego bi vikendom šetali generaciju Z po Tašmajdanu, Kališu i Savskom keju...

+1Mr X, voli te Mr Ш

[Аврам Гојић]

moj brat je gen-Y, i on i njegovi drugari svi rade, ovde u srbiji, ponasaju se prilicno moderno-preduzetnicki da tako kazem (ne cekaju da ih drzava dadilja), kupuju polako prve stanove, grade kuce, prave planove sta bi voleli i gledaju kako da zarade da to ostvare. mislim da su daleko bolji od starijih generacija, koji zive i ponasaju se kao deca. mislim da je to mahom zato sto su odrastali uz internet i mogli da vide i razumeju kako svet funkcionise daleko bolje od svojih roditelja.

do jaja nemoj samo da razglasimo suvise da u Srbiji svaki dvadesetogodisnjak moze, samo ako se potrudi, da kupi sebi prvi stan ili sagradi kucu, moracemo da trpimo horde iseljenika iz Nemacke, Britanije i Francuske gde u tim godinama to mogu da urade samo drug dealeri. Edited August 9, 2011 by Marko M. Dabovic

[yolo]

Pa u Srbiji imamo GenY, ne? Od napaćene navijačke dece, pa do svežih diplomaca i mladih preduzetnika. Polako ulaze u korporacije, državnu upravu, MSP, političke partije a bogami i opskurne organizacije tipa Dveri, Naši... Mislim da bi trebalo da nas zanima.

zapravo si u pravu. nije mi bilo od pocetka jasno na sta ciljas ali (da, Dabicu) ova generacija kod nas postaje ozbiljan fenomen. ja bih to u srbiji locirao na one rodjene od 1987. godine pa naovamo - znaci prakticno rodjeni i odrasli u milosevicevoj srbiji. (pokusavam da) tezim da se klonim generalizacija i verujem u snagu individualizma ali sam gledajuci njih prilicno hopeless. vrlo tradicionalne vrednosti, desnicarenje, nacionalizam, strah od razlicitosti, manjina, bilo cega sto ne prepoznaju kao deo njihovog svetonazora, bahatost, operisanost od bilo kakvih sustinski pozitivnih drustvenih vrednosti. to je ono sto sam vec pokusavao da provucem da imam utisak dizelaskog deja-vua iz sredine devedesetih, sa malo manje odvratnosti onoliko koliko su bele bermude i bele maje i bele tike manje odvratne od duksa uvucenog u farmerke i trenerku. bishoni umesto pit bula.a istovremeno kod onih koji se predstavljaju kao nekakav liberalan odgovor na sve ovo prepoznaje slicna vrsta konzervativne unifikacije, jednako nefleksibilna i netolerantna kao i ova gore.zapravo se mozda nista i ne menja. to je valjda srbija koja se samo naizgled menja - onako kako i koliko treba da bi isla u korak sa svetom oko sebe. a sve ostaje isto. Edited August 9, 2011 by gazza1

[dig_chohano]

bishoni umesto pit bula.

Ej!

[MarlaSinger]

Kao pripadnik najmlađih kategorija generacije X, hteo bih da priupitam cenjene forumaše za mišljenje o generaciji Y. Pokušao sam da u pooll ubacim i opcije koje će omogućiti pripadnicima te generacije da se takođe izjasne, kako ne bi ispalo da samo hoću da popljujem mlađe od sebe. Na ovu raspravu su me direktno potaknuli a) neredi u Londonu i b) lična iskustva sa generacijom Y na poslu.

Kao pripadnica mladjih kategorija generacije X, htela bih da odgovorim na ovu pljuvacinu po generaciji Y. Rekao si da ti nije bila namera ali upravo to si uradio. Ne razumem zasto su te na to potakli neredi u Londonu, kad u istima ne ucestvuje iskljucivo generacija Y. Bili su protesti i davne 1980 pa sta onda, jel i tada za iste bila odgovorna tek rodjena i u pelenama generacija Y, ili mozda njihovi predhodnici koji su voleli izmedju ostalog da slusaju The Clash i Sex Pistols? za posao te razumem, mladje generacije , generacija Y narocito na severnoamerickom kontinentu nema iste eticke norme kada je rec o poslu. U principu gledaju iskljucivo svoje iterese, fokus im je da izgrade sto bolji rezime tako da se ne libe da traze nove poslove sa boljim pozicijama i svime sto uz to ide za razliku od predhodnih generacija koje su imale neki osecaj " odgovornosti" prema kompaniji u kojoj rade pa bi ostajali na istom mestu godinama i u dobru i u zlu. Da li je takav odnos generacije Y prema poslu ok ili ne ne znam, ne bih da im sudim , narocito ne ako je to samo zato sto ja nemam mooda da se ponasam tako i da imam takav mind frame.

Dakle, u Londonu trenutno vidimo ono najgore što generacija Y ima da ponudi čovečanstvu. Bez obrazovanja, bez perspektive, bez nečega što bi moglo da se izgubi, sa uzorima koji više nisu ljudi već proizvodi. Rezultat: nasilje iz Paklene pomorandže, uništenje koje je samo sebi cilj.Kada smo već kod ovoga, pogledajte listu 10 najnasilnijih igara prema izboru parent watchdog gupe Family Media Guide, odnosno zastupljenost igara koje igrača stavljaju u ulogu urbanog nasilnika (bold):

The 10 games named by Family Media Guide and the reasons given for their inclusion are as follows: Resident Evil 4 -- Player is a Special Forces agent sent to recover the President's kidnapped daughter. During the first minutes of play, it's possible to find the corpse of a woman pinned up on a wall--by a pitchfork through her face. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas -- Player is a young man working with gangs to gain respect. His mission includes murder, theft, and destruction on every imaginable level. Player recovers his health by visiting prostitutes then recovers funds by beating them to death and taking their money. Player can wreak as much havoc as he likes without progressing through the game's storyline. God of War -- Player becomes a ruthless warrior, seeking revenge against the gods who tricked him into murdering his own family. Prisoners are burned alive and player can use 'finishing moves' to kill opponents, like tearing a victim in half.NARC -- Player can choose between two narcotics agents attempting to take a dangerous drug off the streets and shut down the KRAK cartel while being subject to temptations including drugs and money. To enhance abilities, player takes drugs including pot, Quaaludes, ecstasy, LSD, and 'Liquid Soul'--which provides the ability to kick enemies' heads off. Killer 7 -- Player takes control of seven assassins who must combine skills to defeat a band of suicidal, monstrous terrorists. The game eventually escalates into a global conflict between the US and Japan. Player collects the blood of fallen victims to heal himself and must slit his own wrists to spray blood to find hidden passages.The Warriors -- Based on a '70s action flick that set new standards for 'artistic violence,' a street gang battles its way across NYC in an attempt to reach its home turf. Player issues several commands to his gang, including 'mayhem,' which causes the gang to smash everything in sight.50 Cent: Bulletproof -- Game is loosely based on the gangster lifestyle of rapper Curtis '50 Cent' Jackson. Player engages in gangster shootouts and loots the bodies of victims to buy new 50 Cent recordings and music videos.Crime Life: Gang Wars -- Player is the leader of a ruthless street gang, spending time fighting, recruiting new gangsters, looting, and of course, more fighting. Player can roam the streets and fight or kill anyone in sight for no apparent reason.Condemned: Criminal Origins -- Player is an FBI serial killer hunter in one of the first titles for the Xbox 360. Game emphasizes the use of melee weapons over firearms, allowing players to use virtually any part of their environment as a weapon. The next-generation graphics provide a new level of detail to various injuries, especially 'finishing moves.'True Crime: New York City -- Player is a NYC cop looking for information regarding the mysterious death of a friend. Player can plant evidence on civilians and shake them down to earn extra money.

Takođe postoji i ono najbolje što generacija Y ima da ponudi čovečanstvu, a to su mladi ljudi koji su dobili i iskoristili priliku da se obrazuju, putuju, započnu neka dostignuća u životu. Savremena sociologija ih definiše otprilike ovako:

Generation Y is the most diverse populace both ethnically and geographically and make up more than 70 million of the US population. Not surprisingly, one in three Gen Y-ers are not Caucasian; one in four lives in a single-parent household; while three out of four have working mothers. They are yet another generation of latchkey children. They are also the generation that has been branded at and marketed to. They truly believe in "Just do it!". They prefer bluntness to subtlety and live by and are extremely influenced by their peers and brand names. Word goes around almost at the speed of lightning, as they are the generation who are online 24/7. In the work environment, Generation Y-ers are team players, they enjoy collaborating with their team members to reach their goals, they enjoy corporate responsibility (think hybrid cars, solar energy) and they are a confident bunch. And thanks to them being the off-spring of latchkey kids who yearned attention and didn't get any, but made sure their kids did in every step of the way, Gen Y-ers expect to be rewarded even when they shouldn't be. They expect to be trained, coached and mentored so they can achieve the next level. If you don't provide it, they're off to the competition, where they will get their due.ConfidenceRaised by parents believing in the importance of self-esteem, they characteristically consider themselves ready to solve the world’s problems and leap tall buildings. Goal- and achievement-orientedThey expect an environment that is technically challenging, creative, fun, and financially rewarding. CollaborativeGen-Y are taught that no one is left behind. A minor consideration is that their favorite collaboration tool is Facebook. MulticulturalThey expect to live in an environment that is fair to all, where diversity is the norm, and they’ll use their collective power if they feel someone is treated unfairly. Civic-mindedThey were taught to think in terms of the greater good. They have a high rate of volunteerism. They expect business to contribute to their communities and to operate in ways that create a sustainable environment. Evo i jedne zabavne genY Extranormal animacije: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8265539/

Naravno u pitanju je američko viđenje koje je u principu primenjivo na čitavo zapadno društvo gde ne može da se živi od reklama za nove telefone, igračke konzole i automobile. U nekim drugim zemljama verovatno postoje drugi markeri, a karakteristike verovatno zavise i od religije, tradicije, stepena razvoja i mnogo čega još.Ipak, meni se čini da postoje i zajedničke crte koje su primetne svuda.Kakva su vaša iskustva? Da li ste bili u prilici da radite sa generacijom Y? Da li ih imate za podređene? Kako ih hendlujete? Kako vam se čini da će to sve izgledati za nekih 10-20 godina, kada budu efektivno preuzeli svet?Izvinjavam se ako sam nespretno sročio temu ali cenim da bi nekoliko forumaša i forumašica imalo šta da kaže na istu.

Opet pljuvanje po generaciji Y bez validnih osnova + ubacivanje video igrica kao argumenta . Baby boomersi nisu igrali igrice kad su bili mali ali su znali da prave riots i te kako . O ratovima da i ne govorim. Koja je "sjajna" generacija odgovorna za ratove na teritoriji bivse SFRJ ? C'mon beowl , znam da te malo drma middle age crisis ( mene drmne once in a while) ali pusti omladinu da zivi i veruje u neke svoje ideje. Posto vidim da u podnaslovu pominjes iphones a pitas o generaciji Y na poslu, ja sam mojima mladima podredjenima rekla da su tekstovanje, facebookovanje i ostale social networking aktivnosti ok samo za vreme pauze, kad se radi , radi se nema zezanja. Postoje uostalom pravila koje HR postavlja i koja se moraju postovati bez obzira kojoj generaciji neko pripada. Edited August 9, 2011 by MarlaSinger

[dig_chohano]

znam da te malo drma middle age crisis ( mene drmne once in a while)

[Аврам Гојић]

marla - ovaj razborit post je vrlo prijatno iznenadjenje. obecavam da ti bar 7 dana necu kaciti gluposti po Nice and Slow topicu.

[Muwan]

Opet pljuvanje po generaciji Y bez validnih osnova + ubacivanje video igrica kao argumenta . Baby boomersi nisu igrali igrice kad su bili mali ali su znali da prave riots i te kako . O ratovima da i ne govorim. Koja je "sjajna" generacija odgovorna za ratove na teritoriji bivse SFRJ ? C'mon beowl , znam da te malo drma middle age crisis ( mene drmne once in a while) ali pusti omladinu da zivi i veruje u neke svoje ideje.

Meni ne pada na pamet da bilo kome branim da živi i veruje u šta god hoće. Štaviše, jasno mi je da u profesionalnom smislu moram da izvršim ogromno strukturno prilagođavanje ako želim da uspešno radim sa ljudima iz genY. Što se tiče pljuvanja, rekao sam da je moguće da nisam baš najspretnije postavio temu ali namera mi je bila da navedem i dobre i loše strane genY. Zašto nisam napomenuo za šta su sve zaslužni genX i BBs? Zato što tema nije o njima, oni su svoje manje-više odsvirali a genY je tu da ostane. Zbog toga sam pokrenuo temu. Edited August 9, 2011 by beowl