Avionski udesi i nesreće

[ducca]

Ok, ako je toliko otisao zapadno vec misire na otmicu, da li uspelu ili ne nisam vise ni u to siguran. Ne vidim zasto bi se neko cimao da toliko zapali daleko od planirane putanje da bi srusio avion u neko drugo more. Ne vodim uopste poentu takve akcije....Osim ako ih vojska nije zveknula nakon sto su se potpuno otrgli bilo kakvoj kontroli. Kapiram i da su otmicari, ako je scenario otmice u pitanju, ocigledno veoma dobro odabrali kog prevoznika da bezecuju i u kojoj regiji s obzirom na silne propuste.

[MancMellow]

Nema trika da je ovde u pitanju kvar na avionu...

[Prospero]

 

 

 

ovo mu je neki radijus kretanja od tačke IGARI od koje se gubi oficijelni kontakt. 2110nm ili 2600nm kada se uračuna rezerva.

[jms_uk]

Malaysia Airlines on Tues morning 11MAR14 replaced MH370/371 with MH318/319, starting Friday 14MAR14.

[Indy]

 

 

 

 

ovo mu je neki radijus kretanja od tačke IGARI od koje se gubi oficijelni kontakt. 2110nm ili 2600nm kada se uračuna rezerva.

 

Ako budu trazili u ovoj oblasti, naci ce ostatke za jedno 279 godina.

[Muwan]

Malezijska vojska sad demantuje Reutersov izvor one informacije da su ga pratili do Molučkog tesnaca, kažu da će izdati zvanično saopštenje.

Edited March 11, 2014 by beowl

[wall]

Najbolje da zabodu šestar u mesto gde je nestao i otvore za jedno 10.000 km pa polako sve da pregledaju.

Naravno i svaku pistu na koju je mogao sleteti. <_<

Ili su apsolutno nesposobni ili kupuju vreme.

  

 

 

 

ovo mu je neki radijus kretanja od tačke IGARI od koje se gubi oficijelni kontakt. 2110nm ili 2600nm kada se uračuna rezerva.

Ja sam samo bio ciničan.

[Prospero]

jbg, špekulacije samo pršte :(

[wall]

Ma jasno. :)

Malo se hm... Zezam, jer više ne znam šta bih rekao/pitao.

[MancMellow]

Ja i dalje ne mogu da verujem da toliki avion ne mogu da nadju 4 dana uz svu vojsku i ostale sluzbe. Meni to nezamislivo. Skoro toliko nezamislivo da sam poceo da gajim 0,1% nade da su ipak sleteli negde i da ih neko drzi kao taoce ili iz ko zna kog razloga. Znam da je nemoguce, ali zamislite one rodjake tih ljudi i sta njima sve prolazi kroz glavu...

Edited March 11, 2014 by MancMellow

[Prospero]

glasine, glasine, pošto ništa drugo nema:
 

China Times reports that "the U.S. Embassy said the 2:43 U.S. military bases stationed in Thailand U-Tapao SOS signal was listening to some of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 emergency call, said the aircraft cabin facing disintegration driver call, they want a forced landing"

 

On Mar 11th 2014 Malaysia’s Air Force reported their primary radar data suggest, the aircraft may have turned west over the Gulf of Thailand at about 1000 meters/3000 feet below the original flight level (editorial note: another possible interpretation could be: at 1000 meters of height compared to 10000 meters original level) and flown past the east coast near Khota Baru and the west coast of Malaysia near Kedah, the radar return was last seen at 02:40L near Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca, about 285nm westsouthwest of the last known (secondary) radar position. Local Police at the city of Bharu confirmed a number of locals reported lights and a low flying aircraft at Bharu at an estimated height of 1000 meters/3000 feet.

[wall]

A evo i nove priče o PA103.

Nije Libija nego Iran.

[Prospero]

pa alan frankovic je već objasnio šta je pozadina pa103   :misko:

 

 

nego, 1 educated guess:

 

 

MH370 - what happened

 

A plausible explanation for why MH370 "disappeared" and why we still can't find it.  

MARCH 10, 2014

My recommendation to the NTSB

 

I sent this email to Peter Knudson at the NTSB, and he will consider if its worthy of forwarding onto investigators. I would like feedback on the plausibility. 

At the end of this email, I’ve listed sensible and low-cost recommendations to best aid recovery efforts.

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Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation?

A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09-26/html/2013-23456.htm

SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for 

certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.

 

Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based -  GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion. 

A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded. 

 

Chain of events:

• Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems. 
• Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.

If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)

• Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots.
•  (VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.)

With incapacitated pilots, the 777 would continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route.

 

Other thoughts:

• The plane was equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know). 
• This explains why 19 families signed a statement  alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.
• When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.

Note:  777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.

 

Conclusion:

This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.

 

The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone.

 

I’ve circled a probable search space in Red on this map; it that assumes that MH370’s autopilot continued along the programmed route.

Recommendations:

• Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft.

 

• Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS) data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google. 

 

• Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator.  

 

• Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space. 

 

ima i sličan slučaj od pre 15 godina

[Roger Sanchez]

nekakvo ludiranje posade bi objasnilo gotovo sve aspekte nestanka - mogli su da isključe kom.uređaje i odu u tri lepe majčine (kao ms990), a ako vlasti imaju saznanja o tome to bi dodatno objasnilo i njihovo ponašanje (konfuzija, podaci na kašičicu i pritom nedorečeni i nejasni) kao i pretragu u molučkom tesancu  i jugu andamanskog mora koje je sa suprotne strane kopna.

Trebali su i letjeti nisko, inače ih je neki radar morao pokriti, ne?

My 5 cents je da su pali u vodu negdje kod Bruneija.

 

Ovo je malo sličniji slučaj, s vjerovatnijim podudarnošću događaja.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Roger Sanchez

[Tale]

Ovo što buffalo prenosi pije vodu™, ali valjda bi neko video taj avion negde na tom delu kopna.

 

Sve sam uvereniji da su negde sleteli, o sudbini putnika ne bih da nagađam.