MancMellow Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 rokaju jer se to 'trazi' i prodaje u vezi sa temom uopsteno, a sto je mozda i pisano ovde, jel istina da je toerietski moguce konstruisati oooooooooooooooogromni padobran, ili vise njih, koji bi se u nekim situacijama otvorio iznad aviona i potencijalno spasao zivote ali da to puno kosta (tezina se povecava -> potrosnja goriva se povecava i sl)? s obzirom da takvi padobrani za male avione vec postoje 70 tona? Mislim da nema šanse.
Prospero Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) opet, sa drugog foruma, urađen je brzi prevod na engleski izjava predstavnika francuskog agencije b.a.e. www.francetvinfo.fr live feedStart Presser: priority will be given to find the recorders and finding the aircraft main componentsthen certain choices will be made to recouperate and analyze certain parts of the plane made difficult by the scattered aircraft parts all overthe aircraft has followed the planned route it was at cruise alt 38,000 ft around 9.30 am las tmessage to the tower the message was routinehe was allowed to continue as normalabout one mi nute later the aircraft started a descent until the last radar position - the impact at the impact site -about 10 minutesthe last altitude recorded by the radar was 6000 feetwe cannot tell why the aircraft descended to the crash and why the contact was lostthe flight recorder found yesterday was remitted to us at 9.45 am this morningthe important part containing the data is in our hands there is also a part for the sea which is not important for usthe work of reading of this has began immediately and some difficulty have been met but we have succeded extracting an audio file that can be usedbut it is too early to draw conclusions on what happenedwe need to work on this audio file to decipher all the details in the filewe have the audio files for the whole length of the flight so we need to work on itthey will have to do it in conjunction with the other flight recorder and work on the two recorders to refine the comprehension of the flight so they can transcribe the datacould take several weeks or monthswe will communicate as soon as we have more informationthey have not found the second flight recorder he saidthey have no knowledge of any flight recorder that was totally destroyed in the whole aviation history.he cannot confirm that no element of the second flight recorder were foundhe says the area of the crash is not that big so they should not have too much trouble finding the other flight recorder and be able to fully analyze the flight datahe said they will scour the whole of the area and do everything necessary to find the second flight recorder3000 ft/minute descent (constant) radar datahe said he will close no door on the cause of the crashhe says the aviation world had a lot of mishaps so the context is difficult but the work will be done and we will take all the time necessary aside from all the emotional feed coming from the crashthe radar trajectory goes to some hundred meters of the crash point the aircraft flew until the endthe debris do not show an aircraft that exploded in flightthey are too small this kind of debris shows an impact on a very hard surface at very high speed(mali accident last summer)they are going to recoop all the weather data at departure, during flight and at crash point to see if this can be a factor for the crash but nothing shows any weather problemsthe accidenttechnical problems?or intentional action?they have no information on this yet so they cannot tell for hte time being.techies from the airline and from the constructor will participate in the inquestsome bea people are on site they are not there to inspect precisely certain debris but to find the missing recorder and examine certain debris they have foundsome might be repatriated to be sent to a labthey will start transcribing the first recorder asap before they find the second recorderthey hope to find the second recorder soontoo early to tell about the engines not one engine failure and not two engine failuresthey will look at the professional backgrounds of the pilots but their names will not be made publicEnd Presser Another presser at Barcelona airport will take place at 7.00 PM local time Edited March 25, 2015 by Prospero
kapetanm Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 sad malo zaverologije mene neukog - kakve su vojne procedure kad nema komunikacije sa vazduhoplovom a isti neko vreme ponire i gadja rejon gde ima naselja?
Muwan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Diže se dežurna para (na prijavu oblasne kontrole), što je u ovom slučaju i uradjeno ali su lovci prekasno stigli.
kapetanm Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Pa pretpostavio sam, više me interesovalo posle 11.9. koliko vremena treba da se smatra da je avion podivljao™, a koliko da je u kvaru, ima li tu nekih pravila na evropskom nebu.
wall Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Pa sve što se ne javlja kontroli je problem. Nema podele na kvar ili podivljalost.
kapetanm Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Ma znam, samo razmišljam ima li razlike između civilnog i vojnog poimanja problema
wall Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Pa, koliko je meni poznato, kontrola predaje problem vojsci. Ide se ciljem da se ostvari vizuelni kontakt i da ga navedu/sprovedu do prve piste. Edited March 25, 2015 by wall
Muwan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Ma znam, samo razmišljam ima li razlike između civilnog i vojnog poimanja problema Vojska vidi civilne letove na svojim radarima i unapred dobija njihove planove leta, tako da teoretski i oni mogu da "vide" ako dodje do nekih čudnih odstupanja. Ali pošto ne komuniciraju sa civilnim saobraćajem oni prevashodno zavise od inputa civilne kontrole i aktiviraće dežurne presretače samo ako ih civilna kontrola pozove, ili ako neki avion udje u neki deo vazdušnog prostora koji je zatvoren za civilni saobraćaj, ili ukoliko se nepoznata/neidentifikovana letelica pojavi u vazdušnom prostoru...
yolo Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Pakao...... (Reuters) - One of the pilots on the German Airbus plane that crashed in the French Alps, killing everyone onboard, left the cockpit and was unable to return before the plane went down, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder. “The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” an unnamed investigator told the Times. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.” “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added. (Reporting by Peter Cooney in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech)
MancMellow Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Srčani udar? Sad moraju detaljno da ispitaju ko je bio "za volanom" Edited March 26, 2015 by MancMellow
yolo Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Ne verujem, to lici da se u kabini dogodilo nesto sto je trenutno ubilo posadu i onemogucilo provaljivanje unutra sa druge strane. Uklapa se u scenario po kome je izletela soferka.
Skyhighatrist Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Kol'ko kontam, već odavno je nemoguće ući u kokpit ako te neko iznutra ne pusti, odnosno, ako jedan baja ostane unutra sam, i nešto mu se desi (ili on reši da skenja aeroplan) - ćaozdravo. Moraće da se ponovo osmisli taj security pristup, ako se ispostavi da je jedan pilot zdrav i prav džedžao pred vratima (a to se implicira i u slučaju MH370)...
Muwan Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Nisam siguran da li je to standard ali Boeing u nekim modelima na vrata kokpita ugradjuje elektronsku bravu koja se spolja može otvoriti šifrom koju zna posada. Postoji čak i varijanta sa ključem koji se nalazi na skrivenom mestu negde u avionu. Potpuno mi je neverovatno da informacije iz laboratorije ovako cure.
ObiW Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Kol'ko kontam, već odavno je nemoguće ući u kokpit ako te neko iznutra ne pusti, odnosno, ako jedan baja ostane unutra sam, i nešto mu se desi (ili on reši da skenja aeroplan) - ćaozdravo. Moraće da se ponovo osmisli taj security pristup, ako se ispostavi da je jedan pilot zdrav i prav džedžao pred vratima (a to se implicira i u slučaju MH370)... Nikada ne ostaje jedan baja unutra sam zakljucan. Jedna seka mora da udje unutra kada jedan baja izadje do wc-a. A sada ozbiljno, smislili su taj security pristup davno. Na telefonu pored kokpita se upali svetlo, stjuardesa se javi, porazgovara sa pilotima, i ako joj kazu da jedan mora do wc-a, ona pozove jos jednu stjuardesu. Pilot izadje napolje, jedna stjuardesa ulazi u kokpit i zakljucava vrata, a druga stane izmedju kabine i kokpita, da cuva prilaz dok je pilot u wc-u.
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