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Vakcinacija  

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  1. 1. Da li ćete se vakcinisati?

    • Da, prvom prilikom
      220
    • Da, ali ne odmah, sačekao bih prvi talas reakcija
      58
    • Ne zasad, ali sam spreman da promenim mišljenje
      16
    • Ne, nikako
      20
    • Ne znam
      14
  2. 2. Koju vakcinu biste napre uzeli?

    • Pfizer and BioNTech
      144
    • Moderna
      14
    • Sputnik V
      25
    • AstraZeneca
      21
    • Sinopharm China
      10
    • Svejedno mi je
      114


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1 hour ago, Shaq said:

 

 

da li se prilikom vakcinacije radi kompletan sistematski? da se vidi da li uopste moze da primi vakcina, i ako da, koja..

koliko vas vakcinisanih je radilo ozbiljan sistematski i konsultacije sa lekarom?

to sto se preko medija radi masovno zastrasivanje i pusta samo jedna strana prica, i sto strucnjaci™ savateju kako je bitno samo se vakcinisati(bez ikakvih pregleda), i da je ne bitno kojom, i pri tom sustinski ni ne garantuju da ce te to ista sacuvati, dapache, moze da izazove ozbiljne kontra indikacije, svakako nisu nesto sto ce ohrabriti one se par grama mozga..

 

 

Ne radi se komplet sistematski pre vakcinacije, jer pazi sad, za to nema potrebe, pošto se pre puštanja vakcine u promet, rade rigorozna testiranja i istraživanja za sve medicinski ugrožene grupe ljudi.

 

Koji mediji u Srbiji rade masovno zastrašivanje i pusta se samo jedna strana priče?  Jel oni na kojima gostuje Nestor i ostale sakalude?

I to nisu stručnjacitm nego najbolji stručnjaci koje ova zemlja ima po pitanju imunologije i epidemiologije, ali tebi tako promoćurnom ni to nije dovoljno da te ubedi. I koliko hiljda ljudi će vakcina sačuvati od ozbiljnog oblika bolesti, a koliko miliona Srba će pomreti od ozbiljnih kontraindikacija zbog primanje vakcine? Imaš li neki odgovor na ovo? Ti si iskonstruisao svoju verziju nerealnosti i guslaš li guslaš. Džaba pričati i kačiti ovde hiljade istraživanja oko vakcina, ti udri kao Švabo tra-la-la.

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pa nije pravo u metu..
pravo u metu bi bilo da se pustaju i jedna i druga strana price..
kad je u medijima objavljeno da je preminuo neko ko je vakcinisan?
ti si postavio tekst kako je jedan bandoglaver preteko na prirodan[emoji769] nacin, a gde su tekstovi za one koji i pored sve nege nisu uspeli da se izvuku a dobili su kovid neposredno nakon vakcinacije?
 
da li se prilikom vakcinacije radi kompletan sistematski? da se vidi da li uopste moze da primi vakcina, i ako da, koja..
koliko vas vakcinisanih je radilo ozbiljan sistematski i konsultacije sa lekarom?
to sto se preko medija radi masovno zastrasivanje i pusta samo jedna strana prica, i sto strucnjaci[emoji769] savateju kako je bitno samo se vakcinisati(bez ikakvih pregleda), i da je ne bitno kojom, i pri tom sustinski ni ne garantuju da ce te to ista sacuvati, dapache, moze da izazove ozbiljne kontra indikacije, svakako nisu nesto sto ce ohrabriti one se par grama mozga..
 
kakvi antivakseri, kakvi statusi selebretija, dal je nolo vakcinisan, dal je rijana vakcinisana..
 
 
 
Ne lupetaj, naravno da je objavljeno.







... Shiit has hit the fan

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Victims Of The Unvaccinated
Peter Singer
6 January 2022
 

Novak Djokovic, the world’s top-ranking tennis player, has just been granted a medical exemption to take part in the Australian Open. Djokovic, who has won the event nine times (one more victory would give him a record-breaking 21 major titles), refused to show proof of vaccination, which is required to enter Australia. “I will not reveal my status whether I have been vaccinated or not,” he told Blic, a Serbian daily, calling it “a private matter and an inappropriate inquiry.” 

The family of Dale Weeks, who died last month at the age of 78, would disagree. Weeks was a patient at a small hospital in rural Iowa, being treated for sepsis. The hospital sought to transfer him to a larger hospital where he could have surgery, but a surge in COVID-19 patients, almost all of them unvaccinated, meant that there were no spare beds. It took 15 days for Weeks to obtain a transfer, and by then, it was too late.

 

Weeks became another of the many indirect victims of COVID-19 – people who never had the virus, but died because others who did were taking up scarce health-care resources, especially beds in intensive care units. His daughter said: “The thing that bothers me the most is people’s selfish decision not to get vaccinated and the failure to see how this affects a greater group of people. That’s the part that’s really difficult to swallow.”

Last month, Rob Davidson, an emergency room physician at a hospital in Michigan, wrote an essay for the New York Times that provided a vivid picture of life in a hospital that had consistently been at or near capacity for several weeks. The overwhelming majority of the patients had COVID-19, and 98 percent of those needing acute critical care were unvaccinated.

What happened to Weeks was happening at Davidson’s hospital, too: those in need of more specialised treatment could not be transferred to a larger facility because nearly every hospital in the region was already full or close to it. Davidson is unable to view the choice not to get vaccinated as a private matter. “It forces patients with ruptured appendixes and broken bones to wait for hours in my emergency department; it postpones surgeries for countless other people and burns out doctors and nurses.”

There has been considerable opposition to vaccine mandates – opposition that I have argued is misguided. With earlier variants, the unvaccinated are more likely to infect others. With the more contagious Omicron variant, the extent to which current vaccines reduce infection and the ability to spread the virus is less clear. But we do know that vaccination reduces the severity of the illness, and therefore the need for hospitalisation. 

For the situation that Davidson described, and that Weeks’ children believe led to their father’s death, a different solution is available, one that respects the decisions of those who choose not to be vaccinated but requires them to bear the consequences of their choice. 

Hospitals that are at or near capacity should warn the populations they serve that, after a certain date – far enough in the future to allow ample time for people to get fully vaccinated – they will give vaccinated patients priority over unvaccinated patients with COVID-19.

After the announced date, when both a vaccinated and an unvaccinated patient with COVID-19 need the last available bed in the intensive care unit, the vaccinated patient should get it. If the last ICU bed is given to an unvaccinated patient because at the time there was no one else who needed it, and a vaccinated patient with a greater or equal need for the facility then arrives, the bed should be reallocated to the vaccinated patient.

The unvaccinated patient, or the family of that patient, may object. But if the move is in accord with a previously announced policy, and everyone had the opportunity to be vaccinated before the policy took effect, people who make choices that are likely to harm others, and have been warned of the consequences of those choices, must take responsibility for them.

Hospitals with sufficient capacity should, of course, continue to treat unvaccinated patients with COVID-19 as best they can. Despite the extra strain this puts on hospital staff, everyone should have sufficient compassion to try to save lives, even when those whose lives need saving have made foolish, selfish choices. 

Exceptions should be made for those few patients for whom vaccination is contra-indicated on medical grounds, but not for those who claim to have religious grounds for exemption. No major religion rejects vaccination, and if some people choose to interpret their religious beliefs as requiring them to avoid vaccination, then they, and not others, should bear the consequences.

Such a policy is likely to increase vaccination rates, which will benefit the currently unvaccinated as well as the vaccinated, and save lives, just as vaccine mandates have saved lives by increasing the number of vaccinated people. 

But even if the policy does not persuade more people to get vaccinated, at least fewer people would die from health conditions over which they have no control because others who regard vaccination as a “personal choice,” and selfishly rejected it, are using scarce resources needed to save lives.

 

Singer, kao i uvek, pravo u metu.

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Kod mene u kući dosad ukupno 12x vakcinisani, uglavnom Astrom.

Posle pojave omikrona, odlučili da ne idemo dalje. Nema smisla više.

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Pogledajte statistike hospitalizacije i smrtnosti (ne zaražavanja) u zemljama sa višim i nižim % vakcinacije. Sve je prilično jasno.

 

Moj neki gut feeling u ovom momentu je da smo s omikronom završili celu priču, ovo prelazi u endemski (nadam se i sezonski) virus. Dobro bi bilo da bude i sezonskih vakcina koje će štititi prvenstveno osetljive delove populacije.

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Malo mi je nejasna ta formulacija endemski virus. Zar pridev endemski ne znači - lokalizovano i specifično za određeno geografsko područje?

Kako se to odnosi na virus koji zahvata čitave kontinente?

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19 minutes ago, Filozof manijak said:

Malo mi je nejasna ta formulacija endemski virus. Zar pridev endemski ne znači - lokalizovano i specifično za određeno geografsko područje?

Kako se to odnosi na virus koji zahvata čitave kontinente?

meni je ovde razjašnjeno to pitanje

 

 

vladica veličković fb
 

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U martu 2021 sam pokušao da objasnim da SARS-COV2 neće nestati već ostati endemski prisutan u populaciji (link na kraju posta). Tada to medjutim nije bilo previše interesantno, ali sada je vidim tema jako popularna i mnogi nam jako samouvereno tvrde da ulazimo u endemiju posle ovog talasa omikron sojem. 
Šta je endemija? 
Endemija (pojedostavljeno) je neka vrsta ravnotežnog stanja u populaciji kada više nemamo talase novih infekcija, već konstantan broj novo-inficiranih. Po logici stvari to je konstantna pretnja koja sa vremena na vreme prerasta u nove epidemije/pandemije i konstantno odnese neki broj života (samo se naviknemo na tako stanje stvari).
Da li će posle omikron talasa uslediti endemska faza? 
Kako se predvidja da omikron može da inficira i preko 2 milijarde ljudi ove godine već do proleća, izvesno je da će posle njega uslediti novi soj(evi), a da li će ti sojevi biti agresivniji ili blaži ostaje da se vidi i nemoguće je predvideti unapred. Dakle, nepoznatno je da li ćemo ući u konstantan broj zaraženih sa nižim mortalitetom i bez novih talasa (endemija) ili ne? 
Kako izgleda nova normalnost ako udjemo u endemsko širenje virusa? 
Uzmimo za primer virus gripa. Virus gripa ima nekoliko sub-tipova, a ti sub-tipovi imaju sojeve poput SARS-COV2 virusa. Sa vremena na vreme neki soj podigne novu pandemiju ili lokalnu epidemiju. Npr. 1918 španski grip je bio izazvan veoma agresivnim sojem A/H1N1 virusom gripa. 1957 A/H2N2 virus gripa je izazvao novu pandemiju. 1968 A/H3N2 virus gripa ponovo je izazvao panemdiju. 2009 “svinjski grip” je izazvao pandemiju, a inače je upitanju isti subtip kao i izazivač španskog gripa (A/H1N1) samo drugi soj. Dakle, endemija gripa je stalno prokuživanje sa sezonskim pikom jednom godišnje i povremene epidemije/pandemije koje tipično traju oko dve godine.
Da li je grip uporediv sa SARS-COV2 kada je potencijalna endemija upitanju?
Nažalost, ne. SARS-COV2 je znatno agresivniji virus, koji lakše i brže zaobilazi imunitet, i ne pokazuje sezonski pik samo jednom godišnje. Da bismo imali epidemiološku kontrolu kod virusa ovakvih karakteristika buster će biti neophodan barem dva puta godišnje i to specifičan za cirkulišući soj. Monoklonalna antitela i slični farmaceutici takodje će bito neophodni kako bi se efikasno sprečavale teške forme bolesti. Sve ovo podrazumeva da je populacija većinski vakcinisana efikasnom vakcinom na duži vremenski period. 
Da li je ovo moguće postići globalno? 
Nisam optimista. Mi smo definitvno zagazili u eru Corona virusa. Propuštena je prilika prvih meseci pandemije kada je još postojala mogućnost da se virus “izgladni” i potpuno izkontroliše striktnim merama i sada nema nazad. 
https://www.facebook.com/714738035/posts/10158065143133036/?d=n

 

 

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