Rat za Nagorno-Karabah

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Državni tviter nalog Jermenije koji održava MSP te države:

 

 

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[Krošek]

geografija ove regije je malo nezahvalna™ za osvajanje cini mi se, da ne pricam o saobracajnoj (ne)povezanosti azerbejdzana i sporne teritorije

 

vidima ja sta hoce, hoce da zauzmu nesto, jedno brdo (onaj srednji pravac napada ge su ocigledno pojurili da se popnu) i prekid vatre. kakvo primitivno ratovanje, uzas. mogu narednih hiljadu godina tako

Edited September 27, 2020 by Krošek

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Kažu Jermeni da imaju 16 mrtvih i preko 100 ranjenih vojnika, kao i dvoje mrtvih i na desetine ranjenih civila.

 

Arcah (engl. Artsakh) je jermenski naziv za Nagorno Karabah.

 

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YEREVAN, SEPTEMBER 27, ARMENPRESS. According to the preliminary data, the Armenian side has 16 losses and more than 100 wounded in Artsakh as a result of the military aggression unleashed by Azerbaijan, Artsakh’s deputy defense minister Artur Sargsyan said.

“The Azerbaijani armed forces have launched artillery strikes on the Artsakh combat positions, the permanent deployment sites of the military units, as well as settlements, the capital Stepanakert, by using air force, including attacking UAVs”, he said.

On September 27 early morning the Azerbaijani military has launched a massive cross-border artillery attack on Artsakh, including on civilian settlements. Peaceful settlements are also under bombardment, including the capital city of Stepanakert.

The Azerbaijani side suffered losses in its military equipment.

Dozens of civilians in Artsakh were wounded as a result of the Azerbaijani attack. A woman and a child were killed in the Azerbaijani attack.

 

https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1029077.html

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Obraćanje azerbejdžanskog predsednika Ilhama Alijeva:
 

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Armenian armed forced fired on our settlements, as well as our military positions, from several directions this morning, using various types of weaponry, including heavy artillery.

As a result of the enemy fire, there are casualties among the civilian population and our servicemen. Some people have been wounded. May God rest our martyrs in peace! Their blood will not remain unavenged. The Azerbaijani Army is currently firing on the enemy's military positions, and as a result of these strikes, many units of the enemy's military equipment have been destroyed. This is another manifestation of Armenian fascism.

Armenia's military provocations against Azerbaijan have become regular of late. In July, our servicemen and a civilian were killed as a result of artillery fire in the direction of Tovuz on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. It is no secret that the first fire, including artillery fire, was opened by Armenia, and the first victims were Azerbaijani servicemen. Azerbaijan gave a fitting rebuff to the enemy and they could not move an inch forward. The enemy was stopped and the territorial integrity of our country was protected. As a result of the crushing blows, the Armenian side was forced to accept a bitter defeat. I have said this and I want to say again that if we had wanted, we could have conducted military battles on the territory of Armenia. However, we do not have military targets in Armenia, and this being the case, a ceasefire was introduced a few days later.

What objectives did Armenia pursue by committing this provocation? First of all, Armenia plans to occupy Azerbaijani lands and does not conceal that. Their military-political leadership tried to threaten Azerbaijan with a new occupation, a new policy of occupation for new territories – this is the policy of Armenia’s military-political leadership today. Another reason is to distract the population from the very serious social and economic problems in Armenia and portray Azerbaijan as an enemy. Yet another reason is that Armenia is doing everything possible to disrupt the negotiations, and I can say that it has succeeded in doing that. It is as a result of Armenia's hypocritical, unconstructive and false policy that the negotiations have actually stopped and this provocation is aimed at these goals. These are the main goals for them.

In July, Azerbaijan gave a fitting response to the enemy, preserved its territorial integrity and once again showed that anyone speaking to Azerbaijan in the language of threats will regret doing that. Unfortunately, this was not a lesson for them. However, after the July provocation, I said that this bitter defeat by Armenia should be a lesson for them.

In August, Armenia launched yet another military provocation. This time a sabotage group was sent to Azerbaijan. The head of the sabotage group was detained by the Azerbaijani military and is currently giving evidence. His statements clearly show that this sabotage group came to Azerbaijan with a plan to commit acts of terror. Another military provocation against the civilian population and our servicemen was committed by Armenia today and, as I said, they have received their punishment this time again and will continue to receive it.

Armenia's provocations are also reflected in the statements made by the Armenian leadership. A year ago, the Armenian prime minister said in the occupied territories, in Khankandi, that “Karabakh is Armenia, full stop.” First of all, it is a lie, Karabakh is Azerbaijan, and I have repeatedly expressed my views on this issue. Karabakh is Azerbaijan, an exclamation mark! Secondly, this provocative statement was in fact a major blow to the negotiations. If the prime minister of Armenia says that “Karabakh is Armenia”, then what kind of talks can there be?! At the same time, the Armenian leadership has been repeatedly stating for two years that Azerbaijan should negotiate not with Armenia, but with the so-called “Nagorno-Karabakh republic”. This is a big blow to the negotiation process. First of all, Azerbaijan will never negotiate with the puppet junta regime. Secondly, attempts to change the format of talks show once again that Armenia's main goal is to disrupt the talks and maintain the status quo. However, the heads of state of the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs have repeatedly stated that the status quo is unacceptable, which means that the occupation must end.

Armenia's provocations against us do not end at that. Recently, the “swearing-in” ceremony of the head of the so-called criminal junta was held in Shusha, an ancient city of our ancient Azerbaijan. Isn't this a provocation? This is an insult to us. They thought that we would put up with this insult. They are deliberately provoking us and they will see the bitter consequences.

Recently, a decision was made by the so-called parliament of the “Nagorno-Karabakh republic” to settle people in the ancient Azerbaijani city of Shusha. This is another provocation. Recently, the prime minister of Armenia announced that “voluntary” military units would be established, bringing together tens of thousands of people. Why is this necessary? Who will they fight against? This was part of the preparations for today's provocation against Azerbaijan. I have said several times, including from the UN platform recently, that Armenia is preparing for a new war, and Armenia must and will be stopped.

Armenia is pursuing a policy of illegal settlement in the occupied territories. Several Lebanese Armenian families have recently been resettled to Nagorno-Karabakh, including Shusha, an ancient city in Azerbaijan. This is a war crime. This is completely contrary to the Geneva Convention. Armenia will be held accountable for this crime. This is another provocation against us. Settlement in the occupied territories is a crime, and this policy has been pursued by Armenia for many years. The fact is that the country's population is declining due to the difficult economic, political and social situation in Armenia. Armenia is experiencing a demographic crisis and does not have the human resources to deploy its people in the occupied territories. That is why they hope for Armenians living abroad. This policy is currently underway. At the same time, according to the accurate information we have, Armenia has carried out illegal settlement in some of our occupied territories. The names of our districts and villages are being changed. The historical heritage of Azerbaijanis is being erased. Our historical monuments are being destroyed. Azerbaijani mosques are being destroyed and desecrated. Armenia keeps cows and pigs in our mosques. This is the greatest insult to the entire Muslim world. The graves of our ancestors are being destroyed by tractors. It is fascists, vandals and savages who have done this.

At the same time, the recent military exercises in the occupied territories should be considered another provocation by Armenia. Because these exercises have one purpose: to attack Azerbaijan, to fire on the civilian population and to occupy new lands! All the facts I have mentioned show again that Armenia and its ugly policies are the source of danger in the region.

Azerbaijan has not resorted to any provocation. Azerbaijan simply defends its interests, supports its position and pursues its policy openly. We have repeatedly stated that Nagorno-Karabakh is historical and ancient land of Azerbaijan, and this is true. When the prime minister of Armenia says that “Karabakh is Armenia”, it is a lie. When I say that “Karabakh is Azerbaijan”, it is true. The whole world recognizes Nagorno-Karabakh as an integral part of Azerbaijan. Historical justice is on our side. Because it is our native land, our ancestral land. International law is on our side. All international organizations recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. All countries recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. Decisions and resolutions adopted within international organizations explicitly state that Nagorno-Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan. Four UN Security Council resolutions call for an immediate, full and unconditional withdrawal of Armenian forces from the occupied territories. These resolutions have been on paper for almost 30 years. Negotiations within the Minsk Group have been going on for almost 30 years and, as a result, Armenia has paralyzed the negotiations by regularly committing military provocations. Besides the United Nations, all other leading international organizations support our rightful position. The Non-Aligned Movement is the second largest international institution after the United Nations, and it is currently chaired by Azerbaijan. It has adopted a fair resolution on the conflict. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation has adopted fair resolutions. The decisions of the OSCE and the resolutions of the European Parliament support our position. Our position is based on international law and justice. We are fighting on our own land. Today, the Azerbaijani Army is dealing crushing blows to the enemy on Azerbaijani soil. Today, the Azerbaijani Army protects the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan on its territory. What are Armenian soldiers doing in our lands?! What is the Armenian army doing in our lands?! It is no secret that 90 percent of the personnel in the “Nagorno-Karabakh army” are Armenian citizens. Armenia is an occupying state, this occupation must and will end.

We are on the right path! Ours is the cause of justice! We will win! Karabakh is ours! Karabakh is Azerbaijan!

 

https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/karabakh/3305950.html

 

Obraćanje jermenskog premijera Nikola Pašinjana:

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Dear compatriots,

Proud citizens of the Republic of Armenia,

Proud citizens of the Republic of Artsakh,

Proud Armenians in the Diaspora,

Brothers and sisters,

Starting from early morning today, the Artsakh Republic was subjected to the aggression of armed forces of Azerbaijan. The peaceful population, capital Stepanakert, civilian infrastructures in the Republic of Artsakh are being targeted. At this moment, casualties have been reported, including among the civilian population.

Using heavy weapons, artillery and infantry, the rival is attacking the positions of the Artsakh Defense Army in all directions. At this point the Defense Army is fighting hard and is fulfilling its task of protecting Artsakh with dignity, undertaking actions arising from the situation.   

Dear compatriots,

Ilham Aliyev’s dictatorial regime has once again resorted to military actions. It is a war declared against the Armenian people. It is a war against our independence, freedom and dignity.

The Armenian people are ready for that war. Because he has always soberly realized that Armenophobia, hatred and enmity which the Azerbaijani dictatorship has been feeding its people with for decades could not lead to any result other than war. The dictatorship of Azerbaijan has become a hostage of its own anti-Armenian policy and today tries to justify its own propaganda promises to resolve the Karabakh conflict by military means.

The Armenian people are ready to strike a worthy blow at the enemy. The Republic of Armenia is the guarantor of the security and independence of the Artsakh Republic. And the Republic of Armenia today stands behind Artsakh with all the potential of its population and state system. We will make every possible and impossible effort to keep the borders of our homeland inviolable, to protect our freedom and independence.

As a signatory of the 1994 ceasefire agreement, the Republic of Armenia will take necessary actions on the political, diplomatic and military arena to ensure the physical security of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh and to impose peace on the enemy.

At the moment, the enemy is already suffering significant losses in manpower and military equipment. Azerbaijan must realize that the combat effectiveness of our army is higher today than ever. The enemy must understand that all Armenians stand behind Artsakh today.

We are united as always. We are united, just as we have been in all the crucial moments of our history, when the enemy has threatened our existence, our identity and our values.

The dictatorial authorities of Azerbaijan must understand that it is impossible to bring the Armenian people to their knees. We have had many crucial moments and overcome many difficulties in our millennial history. Our case is fair and this criminal encroachment will also receive a worthy counterattack.

We are well aware that the Azerbaijani dictatorship may launch military operations in the direction of the borders of the Republic of Armenia and resort to various provocations to completely destabilize the situation in the region. This is the reason why a state of martial law and a general mobilization have been declared in the Republic of Armenia by the decision of the government.

I call the attention of the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chair States and the entire international community to the seriousness of the situation. The outbreak of a large-scale war in the South Caucasus, which we are now on the verge of, could have the most unpredictable consequences. It could go beyond the borders of the region and reach a much larger scale, threatening international security and stability.

I call on the international community to use all its levers of influence to refrain from any possible interference by Turkey, which will ultimately destabilize the situation in the region. Turkey’s aggressive behavior, which was especially dangerous during the events of July and continues today, is a matter of serious concern. Maintaining such a dangerous stance by Turkey has the most devastating consequences for the South Caucasus and the surrounding regions. The international community must work together to prevent the dangerous development of events and to refrain from any attempts to destabilize the region.

Dear compatriots,

Today we are in serious danger. The situation is getting worse with the epidemic. Therefore, the seriousness of the moment requires the vigilance of all of us. Our victory depends on the individual effort and behavior of each and every one of us.

I call on everyone to show the highest level of discipline and high civic awareness. And we will win.

And so

Long live Freedom!

Long live the Republic of Armenia,

Long live the Artsakh Republic!

Long live us and our children who will live in a Free and Happy Armenia, a Free and Happy Artsakh.

Glory to the Armenian Army.

Eternal glory to the Armenian soldier.

 

https://en.armradio.am/2020/09/27/azerbaijan-must-understand-that-all-armenians-stand-behind-artsakh-today-pm/

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41 minutes ago, Krošek said:

geografija ove regije je malo nezahvalna™ za osvajanje cini mi se, da ne pricam o saobracajnoj (ne)povezanosti azerbejdzana i sporne teritorije

 

vidima ja sta hoce, hoce da zauzmu nesto, jedno brdo (onaj srednji pravac napada ge su ocigledno pojurili da se popnu) i prekid vatre. kakvo primitivno ratovanje, uzas. mogu narednih hiljadu godina tako

 

Ovo je sve samo ne primitivno. Obe strane su veoma moderno naoružane, od navođene i dalekometne artiljerije pa do dronova. Odnos snaga je relatvino izbalansiran pod pretpostavkom da se veći igrači ne mešaju direktno. Do sada su imali otprilike po jednu malo jaču eskalaciju na svake dve godine, obično koncentrisanu oko jedne tačke gde bude po desetak mrtvih i nešto uništene tehnike na obe strane, ali bez pomeranja linija. Ovo sad je nešto sasvim drugo, od završetka rata u N-K nije bilo ovakve tarapane. Prilično je iznenađujuće da su Azeri krenuli ovako široko i imam loš osećaj da je u pitanju deo neke krupnije igre. Jermeni su dosta ograničeni sa kešom i resursima i ne bi proglašavali opštu mobilizaciju zbog nečeg što nije baš veliko.

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Pritom je Stepanakert (glavni grad Karabaha, dosta daleko od linije fronta) prvi put gađan još od 1994.

 

 

Jermeni u jednom trenutku tvrdili da su oborili 4 helikoptera...

 

 

...da bi malopre smanjili na 3.

 

 

Zasad nisam video nijedan snimak obaranja helikoptera.

Edited September 27, 2020 by vememah

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1 hour ago, Jozef K. said:

Rusija valjda ima neki ugovor da će u slučaju napada braniti Jermeniju. 

 

Jermenija je potpisnica ODKB zajedno sa Rusijom i još četiri zemlje, s tim da sa Rusijom ima dodatnu vojnu saradnju koja uključuje zajedničku protivvazdušnu odbranu i mislim dve ruske baze na teritoriji Jermenije.

 

Fora je u tome što Rusija formalno primenjuje ove ugovore u međunarodno priznatim granicama Jermenije a to ne uključuje N-K. To joj daje opciju da se ne meša vojno u rat koji bi Jermeni i Azeri tamo vodili. Naravno korišćenje te opcije uvek zavisi od situacije na terenu a u ovom slučaju će u velikoj meri zavisiti i od onoga što radi Turska (kojoj je jutros trebalo pet minuta da Grčku zameni Jermenijom na poziciji najveće pretnje i dušmanina sa kojim se treba boriti - mislim da mi narednih mesec dana neće biti dobro od ovdašnjih medija^tm).

[Krošek]

@Redoran

nisam mislio tehnoloski uopste nego "koncepcijski" 

 

ako gledamo izolovano nesto sto je verovatna strategija azerbejdzana, to izgleda kao srednjovekovno grabljenje teritorije, malo po malo. sledeci rat znaci moze da se ocekuje kada se malo odmore od gubitaka za jedno 5-10 godina. zato sto ne izgleda fizicki moguce popeti se na one planine u jednoj odlucnoj, modernoj invaziji, kao sto to rade velike sile. 

 

ali, ako se gleda kao deo potencijalno krupnije igre, onda je druga prica 

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I Azeri uveli ratno stanje:

 

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President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev has signed a decree on introduction of a martial law, Assistant to the President of Azerbaijan, Head of the Department for Foreign Policy Affairs of Azerbaijan’s Presidential Administration Hikmat Hajiyev said, Trend reports.

Hajiyev noted that taking into consideration the Armenian provocation, Azerbaijan is introducing martial law starting 00:00 (GMT+4) on Sept. 28, 2020.

 

https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3306288.html

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Azeri hakovali jermenske agencije Armenpress i News.am.

 

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https://news.am/

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Azeri tvrde da su pozvali pripadnike garizona u Martakertu (na severoistoku Karabaha) da se predaju kako bi se izbegle nepotrebne žrtve.

 

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Azerbaijan invited the Agdere garrison to surrender
2020 September 27 ( Sunday )  16:49:34
 

Baku/27.09.20/Turan: In order to avoid the complete destruction of the garrison of the Armenian armed forces in the village of Agdere (Mardakert) and the increase in the number of victims, the Azerbaijani military command suggested that the Armenian command in this direction stop resisting, lay down their weapons and surrender.

This is stated in the press service of the Ministry of defense of Azerbaijan.

The command of the Azerbaijani army also states that the treatment of prisoners of war and civilians will be carried out in accordance with the requirements of the Geneva Convention and other norms of international law.

In case of resistance, every armed person will be neutralized, the report says.

https://www.turan.az/ext/news/2020/9/free/politics news/en/127997.htm

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В Сети появились кадры автоколонны, состоящей из пикапов, которая направляется к линии фронта на армяно-азербайджанской границе. Отчётливо слышны возгласы «Аллаху акбар» и «Наш лидер Мухаммад».

 

Видеозапись опубликовало азербайджанское сообщество «Азербайджан Ордусу».

 

«Учитывая то, что Россия считает идлибские группировки террористическими, то с точки зрения Москвы, Баку прибег к помощи международных террористов. Ну, теоретически, мы же имеем право с ними бороться — на дальних подступах, так сказать. Хотя не такие уж они и дальние. Эдак Эрдоган эту шваль и на Украину зашлет — Крым отжимать», — комментирует происходящее российский военкор Александр Коц.

 

А автор проекта WarGonzo Семён Пегов поясняет: «Как и сообщал пару дней назад, наемники из Сирии действительно прибыли в Азербайджан. Вероятнее всего на кадрах боевики из протурецкой группировки «Дивизия Султана Мурада». В данном контексте будет не удивительно, если подтвердится в том числе и наша информация о подготовке «смертников». Как сообщала «Русская Весна»

Минобороны Азербайджана сегодня заявило, что вооружённые силы страны укомплектованы полностью и в добровольцах не нуждаются.

 

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sa jedne strane mudzahedini u tojotama, sa druge strane pop sa kalasom

odlicno ovo izgleda

 

jadna li je sirotinja koja je imala nesrecu da se radi u tom delu sveta