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hazard
On 1.8.2019. at 18:29, Gandalf said:

 

 

 

Za nekoga ko navodno mnogo proučava istoriju i opsednut je matematikom i naučnim pristupom logika ume da mu bude prilično šuplja:

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/inside-the-mind-of-boris-johnsons-right-hand-man/

 

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He describes himself as “not a Tory, libertarian, ‘populist’ or anything else” and in a January 2017 essay outlined his reasoning for joining the Brexit campaign. “I thought very strongly that 1) a return to 1930s protectionism would be disastrous, 2) the fastest route to this is continuing with no democratic control over immigration or human rights policies for terrorists and other serious criminals, therefore 3) the best practical policy is to reduce (for a while) unskilled immigration and increase high skills immigration ... 4) this requires getting out of the EU, 5) hopefully it will prod the rest of Europe to limit immigration and therefore limit the extremist forces that otherwise will try to rip down free trade.”

 

Amerika nije imala ugovor o slobodnom kretanju sa bilo kojom drugom državom (najbliži ekvivalent je tzv. NAFTA viza za Kanađane koja se dobija na granici uz ugovor o zaposlenju, ali koja je ograničena u praksi na godinu-dve, eksplicitno ne može da se iskoristi za trajni ostanak, i ne omogućava porodici nosioca vize da rade u SAD - mogu da borave, ali bez mogućnosti zaposlenja) pa se opet dogodio veliki anti-globalizacioni i anti-free trade backlash koji je između ostalog i doveo Trampa na vlast.

 

Fundamentalni problem je manjak radnih mesta (i dobro plaćenih poslova, jer nije isto raditi u fabrici za $18 na sat i Volmartu za $8 na sat) za radničku i nižu srednju klasu na Zapadu usred upravo slobodne trgovine sa zemljama koje imaju mnogo jeftiniju radnu snagu. Da su svi srećno zaposleni daleko manje bi se žalili na imigrante.

 

A ovo teroristima mi nije jasno uopšte, kako to EU ograničava Britaniju u tretmanu terorista?

 

Možda mu treba poverovati kada kaže za sebe da nije preterano pametan i nešto naročito dobar u bilo čemu...

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hazard

Pritom, EU je upravo mehanizam koji omogućava širenje slobodne trgovine sa što manje nus-efekata. Primena jedinstvenih, što uglavnom znači zapadnih, standarda u svim zemljama (Poljska i Rumunija moraju da ispunjavaju standarde o pravima zaposlenih, očuvanju životne sredine, itd., koje Kina ili Bangladeš ne moraju). Strukturna pomoć siromašnijim zemljama kako bi dostigle vremenom nivo bogatijih. Potpuno otvaranje tržišta tih siromašnijih zemalja (što nije slučaj npr. sa Kinom, Indijom) prema zapadnim bogatijim. I na kraju, samo slobodno kretanje utiče na to da radna snaga u istočnoj Evropi postane skuplja - kada veliki broj radnika ode na Zapad, a ekonomija raste, skaču plate na lokalu.

 

E sad to što je Britanija sama pod Blerom odlučila da 2004. ne primeni period od 7 godina ograničenja za slobodni protok ljudi iz novih članica, to je samo njen problem i njena suverena odluka, niko je nije terao.

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E sad to što je Britanija sama pod Blerom odlučila da 2004. ne primeni period od 7 godina ograničenja za slobodni protok ljudi iz novih članica, to je samo njen problem i njena suverena odluka, niko je nije terao.


A bilo lepo kad su Polish plumbers radili za sitne pare, a posla bilo u izobilju za sve.

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Gandalf

The Remain alliance that could spoil Boris Johnson’s party

On 15 August, the attempt to build an effective remain force will begin when the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru agree a non-aggression pact in 30 constituencies. They will back one candidate in each seat who will stand as X Liberal Democrat (Unite to Remain) or Y Green (Unite to Remain) and so on. The “Unite to Remain” title has already been agreed with the Electoral Commission so the problems found in running unity candidates in the European elections shouldn’t trouble us next time.

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A second tranche of 30 or so constituencies will be settled on 22 August. As the parties move down the list of target seats, the task becomes harder. In each constituency they are asking activists to step aside for a rival, a hard concession for many to make.

 

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On 8.8.2019. at 4:11, hazard said:

Možda mu treba poverovati kada kaže za sebe da nije preterano pametan i nešto naročito dobar u bilo čemu...

Dominic Cummings, the latest self-appointed genius to run 10 Downing Street

Cummings is merely the latest in a long line of geniuses to run things for the Conservatives in 10 Downing Street. First there was Andy Coulson, whose genius took him to prison. Then there was Steve Hilton, whose genius took him to a life of Donald Trump fanboyism on Fox News. Then there was Craig Oliver, whose genius took him to losing the referendum campaign. Then there was Nick Timothy, whose genius took him to tirelessly writing self-exculpating columns for the crime of accidentally detonating the full holy trinity: his career, his prime minister and his country.

But the latest genius is of a different order. Part Lenin, Part Prospero, part basement-dwelling keyboard warrior, Cummings has big ideas for rebuilding everything, drawn, and this definitely shouldn’t worry you at all, primarily from reading lots and lots and lots of books about Otto von Bismarck.

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Marvin (Paranoid Android)

Brexit ulazi u očekivanu fazu "Ješćemo i korijenje ako treba"

 

 

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gospa buba

u tom vozu su izgleda sve stanice iste, samo je frka da uskochish, posle sve ide samo od sebe :D

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radisa
22 minutes ago, gospa buba said:

u tom vozu su izgleda sve stanice iste, samo je frka da uskochish, posle sve ide samo od sebe :D

sent from bubamoto
 

Dakle, sledeće je da se neko odvoji... 5-6 godina, i eto nama Škotske...

 

Valjda neće ratovati, samo... Pa da imamo Freedom Army of Scotland i sve što već ide uz to...

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hazard
57 minutes ago, Marvin (Paranoid Android) said:

Brexit ulazi u očekivanu fazu "Ješćemo i korijenje ako treba"

 

 

 

 

Kako se na British English-u kaže "...and now get off my lawn!"?

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hazard
18 minutes ago, radisa said:

Dakle, sledeće je da se neko odvoji... 5-6 godina, i eto nama Škotske...

 

Valjda neće ratovati, samo... Pa da imamo Freedom Army of Scotland i sve što već ide uz to...

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Tribun_Populi

Karma is a bitch.

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hazard

Btw, ako bude drugog referenduma, SNP neće moći da vergla priču ,,neće biti velikih posledica, zadržaćemo funtu, biće otvorena granica, nastavićemo da budemo u EU pa će biznis da ide još kao i dalje". Moraće da se ide na totalni rapture, raskid. No kvaka je u tome da ako se preživi no-deal brexit, "no-deal" izlaz iz UK posle neće izgledati tako strašno. Takođe 2014. je EU jasno stavila do znanja da izlazak iz UK znači i izlazak iz EU...sada će moći opušteno da kažu ,,škotski referendum je interna britanska stvar, podržavamo ustavnost i vladavinu prava u UK, i teritorijalni integritet i suverenitet UK po svakom pogledu...ali ako se Škotska odcepi legalno, spremni smo da je prihvatimo kao člana EU".

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mozzer
On 9.8.2019. at 21:02, Gandalf said:

Dominic Cummings, the latest self-appointed genius to run 10 Downing Street

Cummings is merely the latest in a long line of geniuses to run things for the Conservatives in 10 Downing Street. First there was Andy Coulson, whose genius took him to prison. Then there was Steve Hilton, whose genius took him to a life of Donald Trump fanboyism on Fox News. Then there was Craig Oliver, whose genius took him to losing the referendum campaign. Then there was Nick Timothy, whose genius took him to tirelessly writing self-exculpating columns for the crime of accidentally detonating the full holy trinity: his career, his prime minister and his country.

But the latest genius is of a different order. Part Lenin, Part Prospero, part basement-dwelling keyboard warrior, Cummings has big ideas for rebuilding everything, drawn, and this definitely shouldn’t worry you at all, primarily from reading lots and lots and lots of books about Otto von Bismarck.

Na Wiki o D.Cummingsu... boldovano... hmmm.....

 

Early life[edit]

Cummings was born in Durham on 25 November 1971, the son of an oil rig project manager and a special needs teacher.[1][2] After attending state primary school, he was educated at Durham School and Exeter College, Oxford, graduating in 1994 with a First in Ancient and Modern History.[1][3][2]

After university, Cummings moved to Russia from 1994 to 1997, working on various projects. In one Russian venture, he worked for a group attempting to set up an airline connecting Samara in southern Russia to Vienna; however, the venture fell foul of the KGB, and was abandoned after only one flight.[1]

Cummings has stated on his own blog that he has never been a member of a political party,[4] a fact which has not been disputed.[2][5]

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Marvin (Paranoid Android)

 

 

Ljudi vide ono što žele da vide.

 

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