Jedno sasvim novo i drugačije Presidency..

[Roger Sanchez]

a te privatne osiguravajuce kompanije su zakonom izuzete od anti-trust laws, tako da slobodno mogu da dogovaraju cene.

Nije li to ripilnuto™ ovim zakonom2b?Mda, samo u House verziji, Ben Nelson be damned. Edited December 24, 2009 by Roger Sanchez

[No7]

Medicinsko osiguranje postaje isto kao i osiguranje automobila. Drzava te obavezuje da moras da ga imas i da ga kupis od privatne kompanije, a te privatne osiguravajuce kompanije su zakonom izuzete od anti-trust laws, tako da slobodno mogu da dogovaraju cene. Ma, divota!

хихиКојоте, шта сам ја говорио за Обману? Ово је боље за осигуравајуће компаније него што је до сада било.Само ме занима како се одређује граница сиромаштва од када ти држава плаћа? Па ако може то неко да стави или објасни.

[WTF]

House vs Senate Bill (ko hoce u sitna crevca)

A comparison of the health care bills passed by the Senate and House:___The Senate Democratic bill (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act):WHO'S COVERED: About 94 percent of legal residents under age 65 – compared with 83 percent now. Government subsidies to help buy coverage start in 2014. Of the remaining 24 million people under age 65 left uninsured, about one-third would be illegal immigrants.COST: Coverage provisions cost $871 billion over 10 years.HOW IT'S PAID FOR: Fees on insurance companies, drugmakers, medical device manufacturers. Medicare payroll tax increased to 2.35 percent on income over $200,000 a year for individuals, $250,000 for couples. A 10 percent sales tax on tanning salons, to be paid by the person soaking up the rays. Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Forty percent excise tax on insurance companies, keyed to premiums paid on health care plans costing more than $8,500 annually for individuals and $23,000 for families. Fees for employers whose workers receive government subsidies to help them pay premiums. Fines on people who fail to purchase coverage.REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS: Almost everyone must get coverage through an employer, on their own or through a government plan. Exemptions for economic hardship. Those who are obligated to buy coverage and refuse to do so would pay a fine starting at $95 in 2014 and rising to $750.REQUIREMENTS FOR EMPLOYERS: Not required to offer coverage, but companies with more than 50 employees would pay a fee of $750 per employee if the government ends up subsidizing employees' coverage.Story continues belowSUBSIDIES: Tax credits for individuals and families likely making up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level, which computes to $88,200 for a family of four. Tax credits for small employers.BENEFITS PACKAGE: All plans sold to individuals and small businesses would have to cover basic benefits. The government would set four levels of coverage. The least generous would pay an estimated 60 percent of health care costs per year; the most generous would cover an estimated 90 percent.INSURANCE INDUSTRY RESTRICTIONS: Starting in 2014: no denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions. No higher premiums allowed for pre-existing conditions or gender. Limits on higher premiums based on age and family size. Starting upon enactment of legislation: children up to age 26 can stay on parents insurance; no lifetime limits on coverage.GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN: In place of a government-run insurance option, the estimated 26 million Americans purchasing coverage through new insurance exchanges would have the option of signing up for national plans overseen by the same office that manages health coverage for federal employees and members of Congress. Those plans would be privately owned, but one of them would have to be operated on a nonprofit basis, as many Blue Cross Blue Shield plans are now.HOW YOU CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE: Self-employed people, uninsured individuals and small businesses could pick a plan offered through new state-based purchasing pools. Would generally encourage employees to keep work-provided coverage.DRUGS: Grants 12 years of market protection to high-tech drugs used to combat cancer, Parkinson's and other deadly diseases. Drug companies contribute $80 billion over 10 years with the majority of the money used to limit the prescription coverage gap in Medicare.CHANGES TO MEDICAID: Income eligibility levels likely to be standardized to 133 percent of poverty – $29,327 a year for a family of four – for parents, children and pregnant women. Federal government would pick up the full cost of the expansion during the first three years. States could negotiate with insurers to arrange coverage for people with incomes slightly higher than the cutoff for Medicaid.LONG-TERM CARE: New voluntary long-term care insurance program would provide a basic benefit designed to help seniors and disabled people avoid going into nursing homes.ANTITRUST: Maintains the health insurance industry's decades-old antitrust exemption.ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS: Would be barred from receiving government subsidies or using their own money to buy coverage offered by private companies in the exchanges.ABORTION: The bill tries to maintain a strict separation between taxpayer funds and private premiums that would pay for abortion coverage. No health plan would be required to offer coverage for the procedure. In plans that do cover abortion, beneficiaries would have to pay for it separately, and those funds would have to be kept in a separate account from taxpayer money. Moreover, individual states would be able to prohibit abortion coverage in plans offered through the exchange, after passing specific legislation to that effect. Exceptions would be made for cases of rape, incest and danger to the life of the mother.____The House bill (Affordable Health Care for America Act):WHO'S COVERED: About 96 percent of legal residents under age 65 – compared with 83 percent now. Government subsidies to help buy coverage start in 2013. About one-third of the remaining 18 million people under age 65 left uninsured would be illegal immigrants.COST: The Congressional Budget Office says the bill's cost of expanding insurance coverage over 10 years is $1.055 trillion. The net cost is $894 billion, factoring in penalties on individuals and employers who don't comply with new requirements. That's under President Barack Obama's $900 billion goal. However, those figures leave out a variety of new costs in the bill, including increased prescription drug coverage for seniors under Medicare, so the measure may be around $1.2 trillion.HOW IT'S PAID FOR: $460 billion over the next decade from new income taxes on single people making more than $500,000 a year and couples making more than $1 million. The original House bill taxed individuals making $280,000 a year and couples making more than $350,000, but the threshold was increased in response to lawmakers' concerns that the taxes would hit too many people and small businesses.There are also more than $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid; a new $20 billion fee on medical device makers; $13 billion from limiting contributions to flexible spending accounts; sizable penalties paid by individuals and employers who don't obtain coverage; and a mix of other corporate taxes and fees.REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS: Individuals must have insurance, enforced through a tax penalty of 2.5 percent of income. People can apply for hardship waivers if coverage is unaffordable.REQUIREMENTS FOR EMPLOYERS: Employers must provide insurance to their employees or pay a penalty of 8 percent of payroll. Companies with payrolls under $500,000 annually are exempt – a change from the original $250,000 level to accommodate concerns of moderate Democrats – and the penalty is phased in for companies with payrolls between $500,000 and $750,000.Small businesses – those with 10 or fewer workers – get tax credits to help them provide coverage.SUBSIDIES: Individuals and families with annual income up to 400 percent of poverty level, or $88,000 for a family of four, would get sliding-scale subsidies to help them buy coverage. The subsidies would begin in 2013.HOW YOU CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE: Beginning in 2013, through a new Health Insurance Exchange open to individuals and, initially, small employers. It could be expanded to large employers over time. States could opt to operate their own exchanges in place of the national exchange if they follow federal rules.BENEFITS PACKAGE: A committee would recommend a so-called essential benefits package including preventive services. Out-of-pocket costs would be capped. The new benefit package would be the basic benefit package offered in the exchange.INSURANCE INDUSTRY RESTRICTIONS: Starting in 2013, no denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions. No higher premiums allowed for pre-existing conditions or gender. Limits on higher premiums based on age.GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN: A new public plan available through the insurance exchanges would be set up and run by the health and human services secretary. Democrats originally designed the plan to pay Medicare rates plus 5 percent to doctors. But the final version – preferred by moderate lawmakers – would let the HHS secretary negotiate rates with providers.CHANGES TO MEDICAID: The federal-state insurance program for the poor would be expanded to cover all individuals under age 65 with incomes up to 150 percent of the federal poverty level, which is $33,075 per year for a family of four. The federal government would pick up the full cost of the expansion in 2013 and 2014; thereafter the federal government would pay 91 percent and states would pay 9 percent.DRUGS: Grants 12 years of market protection to high-tech drugs used to combat cancer, Parkinson's and other deadly diseases. Phases out the gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage by 2019. Requires the HHS secretary to negotiate drug prices on behalf of Medicare beneficiaries.LONG-TERM CARE: New voluntary long-term care insurance program would provide a basic benefit designed to help seniors and disabled people avoid going into nursing homes.ANTITRUST: Would strip the health insurance industry of a long-standing exemption from antitrust laws covering market allocation, price-fixing and bid rigging. The bill also would give the Federal Trade Commission authority to look into the health insurance industry at its own initiative.ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS: Would be barred from receiving government subsidies but permitted to use their own money to buy coverage offered by private companies in the exchange.ABORTION: Private companies in the exchange could not offer plans covering abortion if those plans received federal subsidy money. Most plans in the exchange would be affected, because most consumers in the exchange would be using federal subsidy money to buy coverage. The new government plan could not offer abortion coverage. Insurance companies would be permitted to offer supplemental abortion coverage in separate plans that people could buy with their own money. Use of federal money for abortion coverage would be limited to cases of rape, incest or danger to the woman's life.

[ObiW]

хихиКојоте, шта сам ја говорио за Обману?

Pa bila je mrtva trka izmedju tebe i Kojota, ko ce pre da se razocara u Obamu. Obojica ste se razocarali jos pre zakletve, samo je Kojotov datum 1 razocarenja bilo kada je objavljeno da ce Hilari biti ministar inostranih poslova, a ti si se, cini mi se, razocarao malo pre toga, ali se ne secam prigode. Tako da nema potrebe da ga prozivas, razocarao se on na vreme.

[OFK]

хихиКојоте, шта сам ја говорио за Обману? Ово је боље за осигуравајуће компаније него што је до сада било.Само ме занима како се одређује граница сиромаштва од када ти држава плаћа? Па ако може то неко да стави или објасни.

Ma sta vam je ljudi, kompanije za osiguranje su potrosile milijarde evra za lobiranje protiv zakona!Obamu napadaju za komunizam i preveliku brigu za stanovnistvo.Ovo je istorijski trenutak za zdravstveni nsistem u Americi i velika pobeda Obame.

[No7]

Па мислим да многи после овога закона ће схватити да није комуниста ако су имали недоумица хихи. Нарочито се то односи на средњу класу која га је и довела на власт.А колика је његова победа најбоље ће се видети на изборима за сенат и конгрес 2010.

Pa bila je mrtva trka izmedju tebe i Kojota, ko ce pre da se razocara u Obamu. Obojica ste se razocarali jos pre zakletve, samo je Kojotov datum 1 razocarenja bilo kada je objavljeno da ce Hilari biti ministar inostranih poslova, a ti si se, cini mi se, razocarao malo pre toga, ali se ne secam prigode. Tako da nema potrebe da ga prozivas, razocarao se on na vreme.

Тачно је не можеш се сетити пригоде јер она и не постоји. Да се вратимо на оно што смо ја и ти и још понеко писали пре годину дана.

kojot Nov 24 2008, 18:00 ne znam zbog cega je on obmana, kada jos uvek nije seo predsednicku fotelju? strpi se i daj mu sto dana, majku mu. No7 Nov 24 2008, 18:31 On je od samog pocetka bio to ali ja sam ga podrzavao zbog Hilari. Kao sto ovde ljudi iz SAD kazu zabole me za vas u ostatku sveta tako mene zabole za njih u SAD i gledam interese Srbije i moje.ObiW Nov 24 2008, 19:02 Posteno. Samo treba imati u vidu da Srbija muku muci sa americkim predsednicima od Busa starijeg pa na ovamo. To jest, u poslednjih 20 godina.

No7 Nov 5 2008, 15:14 Onaj ko je stvarno bio za promene bio je Ron Pol i znamo kako je prosao. Da bi postao kandidat ili predsednik SAD nije moguce a da nisi potpomognut lobistima i ogromnim korporacijama to je i Obama dokazao kada je posle nominacije DP otisao da se zhavali jevrejskim lobistima i finansijerima. On je jahao na prici da je rat u Iraku jedan od glavnih krivaca za desavanje u SAD i to ga ne bi dovelo na mesto predsednika da nije doslo do velike finansijiske krize jer je pre 3 meseca Mekejn bio cak u prednosti. Rat u Iraku nije glavni krivac za pad ekonomije u SAD, iako ima neke efekte, to je pocelo ranije da se naduvava. On je sam rekao da ce otici iz Iraka, a budite ubedjeni da to nece ici lako kada se uveri sta SAD gube osim nafte odlaskom a to ni rad propagande nece ublaziti a gubi inicijativu na svetskom planu kao posle Vijetnama i SAD su trebala dosta dugo da povrate to posle Vijetnama o cemu je pisao i Brzezinski, no on sam je rekao da ce pojacati vojno prisustvo u Avganistanu a znajuci ko su mu veliki finansijeri ne bi zacudilo da se ukljuci ni prica oko Irana ili Sirije. Sto ce reci da on ne menja politiku nego pokusava samo efikasnije da vodi ratove od Busa.Uostalom vreme je da se glavna moc vrati u centar tj. Evropu sto se vec desava na ekonomskom planu jer je EU njaveca ekonomija po nominalnom BDP, mislim da je bilo dovoljno placanja 60 godina za rat koje SAD nisu ni osetili, kao ni onaj ranije, a dobrim delom su ga stvorile.A inace ovakvu ekonomiju SAD kakva je danas bi pre izvukao neki Republikanac ako bi pratio sistem vrednosti Republikanaca u ekonomiji nego Demokrata jer desnica na zapadu je uvek bolja kada treba da se razvija industrija i privreda sto pokazuje i Nemacka sa CDU. No od ovoga Busovog nece biti teze biti bolji.

[korindjar]

Joe The Biden je jos pre nekoliko meseci dogovorio da sledi jos jedna bitnija i teza reforma a to je regulacija wall streeta. Posle ovoga to je sledeca velika stvar

Pa bila je mrtva trka izmedju tebe i Kojota, ko ce pre da se razocara u Obamu. Obojica ste se razocarali jos pre zakletve, samo je Kojotov datum 1 razocarenja™ bilo kada je objavljeno da ce Hilari biti ministar inostranih poslova, a ti si se, cini mi se, razocarao malo pre toga, ali se ne secam prigode™. Tako da nema potrebe da ga prozivas, razocarao se on na vreme.

Edited December 25, 2009 by Hustler

[No7]

Регулације Вол Стрита? хахаМора да ће и то бити успешно као и ово са здравством.Није проблем Вол Стрит, проблем је ФЕД. А шта су они урадили? Дали су хелихоптер Бену награду за личност године у Тајму. ахахаЧовека који их је и довео у кризу и који их и даље закопава али они су срећни што је наштампао довољно новца и спустио камате на нулу, да се банке богате а не позајмљују па се и Обмана љути, па је берза скочила иако назепосленост дошла на 10%, она која се мери U3 a не U6 која је на неких 20%, иако су примања све слабија, иако се у фундаменту ништа није променило што се тиче САД индустрије, иако и даље постоји проблем код хипотека(http://www.cnbc.com/id/34571747), иако ће на крају тај да им уништи долар а видећемо шта ће бити у САД.ФЕД је тај који ствара проблеме а не Вол Стрит, то што они користе погодности које им даје ФЕД је нормално, то им је посао, свако би.Наравно они ће све пребацити на Вол Стрит али ће зато везе Голдмана и ФЕД-а остати.Да се бацим на проучавање овога револуционарног закона и онога што ме занима.

Edited December 25, 2009 by No7

[TBoneSteak]

Svakom Blue Dog Demokrati zelim 1 svinjski grip ovako za Merry Christmas, a u Novoj 2010 im svakom zelim po moderate no-name, no-baggage GOPera kao protivnika u Novembru.

to je stara fora u goperskim distriktima. dosadi im sopstvena pa glasaju za democratparty. male promene tipa slanina umesto kobaji uz palacinke ili pepsi umesto coke

[ObiW]

А колика је његова победа најбоље ће се видети на изборима за сенат и конгрес 2010.

Boli koliko ne poznajes americku politiku - ballanced budget koji je bio jedno od najvecih Klintonovih zasluga i koji se spominje svaki put kada se govori o rekordnom deficitu je bio uvod u njegov najveci politicki poraz - izbore 1994.

Тачно је не можеш се сетити пригоде јер она и не постоји. Да се вратимо на оно што смо ја и ти и још понеко писали пре годину дана.

Ovaj, a sto si ga zvao "Obmana" 24.11.2008. ako si ga podrzavao? Edited December 25, 2009 by ObiW

[No7]

A где сам ја написао да ће он добити или изгубити? Видећемо, ObiW, видети.Како сам га подржавао? Искрено није ме брига. Само сам мислио да је у интересу Србије, а то ме се тиче јер живим овде, да победник у оквиру ДП буде Обама а не Хилари јер сам претпостављао да ће поред катастрофалне политике Буша кандидат ДП победити. А то сам и написао и цитирао.Оно што је још апсурдније што већина напаљеника из Србије има мање везе са САД од мене. Јер мене занимају неке појаве око HPI m/m, PPI m/m, TIC Long-Term Purchases, CPI m/m итд.

Edited December 25, 2009 by No7

[ObiW]

Како сам га подржавао? Искрено није ме брига. Само сам мислио да је у интересу Србије

Pa to se srpski kaze "navijanje". Moze i "podrzavanje".

, а то ме се тиче јер живим овде, да победник у оквиру ДП буде Обама а не Хилари јер сам претпостављао да ће поред катастрофалне политике Буша кандидат ДП победити.

E sad jos samo da mi objasnis kako je to u interesu Srbije da Amerika ima drzavno zdravstveno osiguranje (valjda ti se zato ne svidja ovaj zakon pa ga zoves "Obmana"), pa da polegamo.

[WTF]

E sad jos samo da mi objasnis kako je to u interesu Srbije da Amerika ima drzavno zdravstveno osiguranje (valjda ti se zato ne svidja ovaj zakon pa ga zoves "Obmana"), pa da polegamo.

Ma "interes Srbije" ne postoji, tacnije nije definisan, bar ne na neki razuman nacin. Nego mislim da su tamo mnogi podrzavali Obamu (pogotovu u DEM primaries) da se slucajno ne bi desilo da se u Beloj Kuci nadje isti bracni par koji je pre 10 godina (doduse u obrnutim ulogama) bombardovao™ Srbiju.

[Budja]

Medicinsko osiguranje postaje isto kao i osiguranje automobila. Drzava te obavezuje da moras da ga imas i da ga kupis od privatne kompanije, a te privatne osiguravajuce kompanije su zakonom izuzete od anti-trust laws, tako da slobodno mogu da dogovaraju cene. Ma, divota!

Ozbiljno?Koji je izgovor za to?Edit: Iz onog pregleda koji si postavio, Kongres je ukinuo exemption ali ga je Senat zadrzao. Takodje, razlika je i u placanju - umesto bogati placaju za siromasne kongresnoj verziji, teret se preliva na sve preko fee za osiguravajuca drustva, sto ce se preliti na premije. Edited December 25, 2009 by Budja

[WTF]

Ozbiljno?Koji je izgovor za to?Edit: Iz onog pregleda koji si postavio, Kongres je ukinuo exemption ali ga je Senat zadrzao. Takodje, razlika je i u placanju - umesto bogati placaju za siromasne kongresnoj verziji, teret se preliva na sve preko fee za osiguravajuca drustva, sto ce se preliti na premije.

Ah, izgovor? Posalji lobiste sa milionima $ nekim senatorima i naci ce izgovor zasto bi Bin Ladenu trebalo podici spomenik na Times Square, a Michigan Aveniju u Chicagu preimenovati u Bulevar Sadama Husseina...I ima dosta naoko malih ali sustinski ogromnih razlika u House i Senate verzijama. Ne verujem da ce reconcilliation da bude puka formalnost, a tipujem da 90% finalne verzije dolazi iz Senata.