Izrael, Palestina i arapske zemlje

[vememah]

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Across the Gaza Strip, more than 2 million people are at risk as water runs out.
“It has become a matter of life and death. It is a must; fuel needs to be delivered now into Gaza to make water available for 2 million people,” said Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA Commissioner-General.
No humanitarian supplies have been allowed into Gaza for a week now.
Clean water is running out in the Gaza Strip, after its water plant and public water networks stopped working. People are now forced to use dirty water from wells, increasing risks of waterborne diseases. Gaza has also been under an electricity blackout since 11 October, impacting the water supply.
At the UN base in the southern Gaza Strip - where UNRWA has moved its operations- drinking water is also running out. Thousands of people have sought refuge there after Israel issued a warning to residents demanding them to leave their homes in the northern parts of the Strip.
Only in the past 12 hours, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced. The exodus continues as people move to the southern parts of the Gaza Strip. Nearly 1 million people have been displaced in one week alone.
“We need to truck fuel into Gaza now. Fuel is the only way for people to have safe drinking water. If not, people will start dying of severe dehydration, among them young children, the elderly and women. Water is now the last remaining lifeline. I appeal for the siege on humanitarian assistance to be lifted now,” added Lazzarini.
Three water desalination plants, previously producing 21 million liters of drinking water per day, have halted operations.
Drinking water supply from Israel was cut on 9 October, causing a severe shortage of drinking water for over 650,000 people.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/matter-life-and-death-water-runs-out-2-million-people-gaza

[Shan Jan]

Ja i dalje ne mogu da se opasuljim da su cak i tipicni bezmudi pozivi na deeskalaciju, mir u svetu™ i slicno postali zabranjeni na Zapadu. 

[Ayatollah]

3 minutes ago, Shan Jan said:

Ja i dalje ne mogu da se opasuljim da su cak i tipicni bezmudi pozivi na deeskalaciju, mir u svetu™ i slicno postali zabranjeni na Zapadu. 

 

Pa i za Ukrajinu je isto. Zapad je upao u totalni war frenzy mod, ja stvarno ne znam koji je đavo njihovim političarima.

[vememah]

@Shan Jan

 

Tako je. U onom tvitu koji je cedo kačio (u delu teksta koji je odsečen) o zabrinutosti zbog gubitka ugleda EU jer podržava moguće etničko čišćenje autor je naveo da su cela dva zapadna zvaničnika (Norvežanin i Irac) rekli da im se baš i ne sviđa to što radi Izrael.

 

 

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This is insane. They're predicting a "massive ethnic cleansing": why on earth is it so hard to, at the very least, to say this shouldn't happen? They're normally so eager to lecture the whole planet for even the slightest hint of a perceived human rights violation... But when one of them is about to commit what might rank as one of the greatest crimes against humanity of the century, expressing concern is suddenly "an impossible tightrope" 🤦‍♂️

Damn right they'll pay an extremely heavy price for it in the global South! Whatever credibility they had left (which wasn't much) will be completely gone for a very, very long time. And it will be very much deserved.

In the spirit of fairness I have noticed 2 Western leaders - just 2 - who had enough backbone to express concern about Israel's actions. They are Norwegian foreign minister Anniken Huitfeldt who said the blockade on Gaza was "unacceptable" and Ireland's PM Varadkar who said that what is happening in Gaza "amounts to collective punishment". He added: "Cutting off power, cutting off fuel supplies and water supplies, that's not the way a respectable democratic state should conduct itself." 

See, how hard is it to say this? That's how you preserve at least a modicum of integrity as a state.

 

Edited October 14, 2023 by vememah

[Shan Jan]

2 minutes ago, Ayatollah said:

 

Pa i za Ukrajinu je isto. Zapad je upao u totalni war frenzy mod, ja stvarno ne znam koji je đavo njihovim političarima.

Meni sve ovo mirise na trazenja krivca spolja za unutrasnje (uglavnom ekonomske) probleme. A kad ponestane spoljnih krivaca krenuce trazenje unutrasnjih...

 

Nista, da se selimo u neku vukojebinu koju je svet zaboravio. Kazu da je Novi Zeland lep u ovo doba godine 

[apostata]

13 minutes ago, vememah said:

autor je naveo da su cela dva zapadna zvaničnika (Norvežanin i Irac) rekli da im se baš i ne sviđa to što radi Izrael.

I Milanović plus

 

 

[Ted]

22 minutes ago, Shan Jan said:

Ja i dalje ne mogu da se opasuljim da su cak i tipicni bezmudi pozivi na deeskalaciju, mir u svetu™ i slicno postali zabranjeni na Zapadu. 

 

šta ja znam, možda je došlo vreme da Zapad bolje upoznaju i oni koji imaju raznorazne zablude o njemu. ne isključujem ni sebe ovde, samo što je mene ta privlačnost počela da prolazi ranije, uglavnom usled odnosa prema državi u kojoj živim. uglavnom, ne isključivo.

 

mislim prosto je, ako se bolje znamo lakše ćemo da sarađujemo, tamo gde moramo ili želimo.

 

formiranje Palestinske države bilo bi istorijska pravda prema ljudima koji su sistematski izloženi raznim vrstama zločina već duže od jednog veka. verovatno i način da se zaustavi golema spirala zločina. spirala koju Palestinci nisu započeli.

 

 

 

 

[Nikodije]

Stvarno ne znam ko više ima bilo kakve zablude o zapadu. Mislim, ako takvih ima još onda oni i dalje iz nekog razloga gutaju priču o legitimnom pravu na samoodbranu Izraela protiv palestinskih terorista. I u Palestincima uopšte ne vide ljude.

 

[Roger Sanchez]

51 minutes ago, Ayatollah said:

Zapad je upao u totalni war frenzy mod

Zapad, koji trenutačno ne vodi nijedan rat, je u war frenzy modu? Dobro™

[Indy]

Ne vode rat, ali zato "ratne" akcije skaču. (Kao što je pisalo ovde.)

[Roger Sanchez]

13 minutes ago, Indy said:

Ne vode rat, ali zato "ratne" akcije skaču. (Kao što je pisalo ovde.)

Dakle dokaz za war frenzy™ je da je potražnja za oružjem za vrijeme najintenzivnijeg kontinuiranog rata (a koji nije poveo Zapad™ nego Istok™) još od iransko-iračkog - povećana?

 

Potpisujem bezuvjetnu kapitulaciju pred ubitačnom snagom tog evergreen cikličkog argumenta.

 

Najbolje da se rastavi ta industrija i da čekamo Kineze koji neće budalisati na isti način.

 

Granate i meci iz Krušika lete s polica, je li onda i Srbija war-frenzied™ Zapad?

Edited October 14, 2023 by Roger Sanchez

[Lord Protector]

1 hour ago, Anduril said:

Kako su ovi izraelski fasovi glupi - neverovatno. Imaju sav legitimitet da uniste Hamas, imaju vremena da pripreme operaciju i dozvole evakuaciju iz ratne zone. Ali ne, odlucili su se na ratne zlocine. A Bajdenova administracija opet pravi kardinalnu gresku - u Ukrajini je suvise obazriva a ovde dozvoljava sta se ne sme dozvoliti. Istorija ce im suditi.

 

Ne postoji eufemizam evakuacija, odlučili su se da odseku linije snabdevanja Gaze i nateraju stanovništvo da se iseli.

Što se Ukrajine tiče, išli bi oni i jače i bolje, ali tu je rusko crveno dugme koje NATO sreću kvari.

[Indy]

1 minute ago, Roger Sanchez said:

Dakle dokaz za war frenzy™ je da je potražnja za oružjem za vrijeme najintenzivnijeg kontinuiranog rata (a koji nije poveo Zapad™ nego Istok™) još od iransko-iračkog - povećana?

 

Potpisujem bezuvjetnu kapitulaciju pred ubitačnom snagom tog evergreen argumenta.

Proxy warfare, itd.

[Anduril]

1 hour ago, Shan Jan said:

Ja i dalje ne mogu da se opasuljim da su cak i tipicni bezmudi pozivi na deeskalaciju, mir u svetu™ i slicno postali zabranjeni na Zapadu. 

Zabranjeni? Javnost je ocigledno podeljena a kad IDF invazija pocne odnos ce biti sve kriticniji jer Hamasov zlocin nece moci da opere izraelski.

[vememah]

Izrael je u saradnji s Amerikancima kao nekakvo rešenje palestinskog pitanja gurao državu Gaza-Sinaj, sad bi izgleda da gura samo Sinaj.

 

Članak iz 2017:

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Is Gaza-Sinai state a possibility for Palestinians? (...)
One possibility – known to be much-favoured by Israel – would be to engineer the creation of a Palestinian state in Gaza and then pressure Egypt to allow it to expand into the neighbouring territory of northern Sinai.
According to this plan, not only would most of Gaza’s population end up in Sinai, but so too would potentially millions of Palestinian refugees. (...)
Suspicions of a Gaza-Sinai state are not new. In fact, there is strong evidence that Israel has been pushing aggressively, along with the United States, to create a Palestinian state in Sinai since it withdrew its soldiers and settlers from the Gaza Strip more than a decade ago. Now rumours are circulating that the Sinai plan is being revived.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/7/24/is-gaza-sinai-state-a-possibility-for-palestinians