Izrael, Palestina i arapske zemlje

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17 minutes ago, Pantelija jr said:

Stvarno ste jadni i bijedni, i izazivate mučninu. Onaj ljigavac koji nije u stanju da osudi Izraelsko iživljavanje nad Gazom, a da ne nastavi rečenicu sa "... ali Putin", i ti koji na argument traženja nekih dokaza prije nego što se uleti sa tomahavcima cinično potežeš leš novinara ubijenog tokom tog iživljavanja...

 

Ja stvarno ne razumijem moderaciju ovdje.

 

Koliko je tacno belih zeka stradalo u Gazi?

 

I nemoj da zoves moderaciju da te brani od sopstvenog gadluka, blam je. Nisam vas ja terao da pisete gadosti  .

[Pantelija jr]

Ljigo, nisi ti toliko glup, samo si mnogo ljigav. Priča o belim zekama nije bila nipodaštavanje žrtava sa bilo koje strane u Siriji, nego isprdavanje sa tzv. slobodnim medijima u zemljama tzv. demokratije - znaš, istim onim medijima koji se evo nekoliko dana premeću unazad da nađu neki izraz za mrtvog Palestinca koji neće povrijediti tanana osjećanja onoga ko ga je ubio, ili uzbuditi njihovo sedirano čitalaštvo. Takođe je bilo isprdavanje sa tobom i tvojom braćom ljigavcima koja su gurala i guraju istu agendu kao i slobodni mediji - kako tada, tako i sad.

 

I kod trovanja onog ex-špijuna (koje sve više počinje da liči na "trovanje"), i kod ovog posljednjeg trovanja u nesrećnoj Siriji (koje je, nažalost, stvarno).

 

Ne tražim ja od moderacije da me brani, samo ukazujem na izvor smrada na forumu.

[Eraserhead]

Dosta ti je ovo blamantno. “Sprdanje s medijima” preko ljudi koji ginu. I uopste taj fokus na medije dok neko ubija decu. 

 

Mislim da se samo radi o jako losem ljudskom materijalu. Otud i smrad ako si vec namirisao nesto. Samo ti tusiranje ovog puta nece pomoci. Ni tebi ni drugarima.

 

Svo to licemerje na raznim temama ce vas pratiti. Samo nisam vas ja terao da se valjate u blatu ali cu biti tu da vas podsetim.

Edited April 10, 2018 by Eraserhead

[Pantelija jr]

Ma, i ja sam budala što dozvoljavam da me kreature kao što si ti (i braća ti) iznervirate uopšte, a kamo li dovoljno da se upustim u neku raspravu s vama...

 

Da parafraziram Tvena, ko se upusti u raspravu s ljigavcem, samo sebe može da krivi ako se umaže ljigom. 

 

Uživaj u svojoj gadosti.

[Simon]

 

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CNN vs Bibi

 

 

[Simon]

Тренутна политика Израела води и сам Израел у катастрофу. Израел и САД пребацују кривицу за задња дешавања гдје је убијено и повријеђено доста Палестинаца на Хамас. Без обзира шта било ко од нас мислио о Хамасу, врло је лако разумјети безнађе у којем живи становништво Газе и да то завршава у исто тако безнадежним протестима против окупације које један све мањи дио свијета само мирно посматра. Да становништво Газе које живи као у затвору протестује је сасвим нормална реакција на услове и неправде које им се наносе из дана у дан, годину за годином. . Све више земаља окреће леђа израелској политици и не желе да буду нијеми посматрачи. 

[namenski]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

Све више земаља окреће леђа израелској политици и не желе да буду нијеми посматрачи. 

Dakle, eto nama za koju nedelju, par meseci najvise, 1 uredne, propisne medjunarodne intervencije protiv Izraela; bice lako, iskustva iz raznih Libija, Iraka, Sirija su tu, treba ih samo primeniti...

Erazeri i Andurili ce da se pobrinu za teorijsko obrazlozenje  

[x500]

Simon, 

 

Da li stvarno mislis da je bill koga na ovoj planeti briga za Gazance? Cak i onima na Zapadnoj Obali buca Omama za njih.

 

Evorpa kao stara Hilari gleda svoja posla. 

 

Pogledaj kako su reagovale OUN na poslednje dogadjaje.

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/guteres-neophodno-politicko-resenje-za-izrael-i-palestinu/58gxjr4

 

Jednostavno, ljudi u Gazi zive tako da imaju jedva dovoljno da ne umru, a premalo da bi se to nazvao zivot.

 

Pozdrav, 

X500

 

 

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16 minutes ago, namenski said:

Erazeri i Andurili ce da se pobrinu za teorijsko obrazlozenje  

 

Izrael je odavno zreo za jedan embargo na prodaju oruzja ali znam da ce ostatak foruma podrzati borbu legitimne i sekularne vlasti protiv horde ekstremistickih glavoseca cak i ako izrael bude krenuo da ih tamani hemijskim oruzjem. Cisto doslednosti radi posto znamo da se doslednost na ovom mestu posebno ceni. Mada posto do sada par stotina hiljada mrtvih nije bilo dovoljno nacekacemo se.  

 

Inace ako cemo ozbiljno. Ova maleno veca reakcija ne dovodi ni do kakvih promena. USA je uz Izrael naravno (ova antiestablisment administracija daleko vise nego prethodna), EU se malkice koprca ali tradicionalno evropski nista posebno, cak su i Rusi se utisali sad kada je Bibi bio jedan od dva strana gosta na paradi (a drugi je bio Vucic). Nema od toga nista sve se zavrsava na osudama.

Edited May 16, 2018 by Eraserhead

[x500]

Eraser, 

Kada pogledam tvoje postove, pa to svim velikim kupcima napravio sankcije na oruzje. Mnogoooo si postao osetljiv.

 

Sto se tice osuda, khm, khm, to je trenutno vise poziv na uzdranost i izrazavanje zabrinutosti. Josh je to jako daleko od osuda.

 

Pozdrav, 

X500

[Simon]

59 minutes ago, x500 said:

Simon, 

 

Da li stvarno mislis da je bill koga na ovoj planeti briga za Gazance? Cak i onima na Zapadnoj Obali buca Omama za njih.

 

Evorpa kao stara Hilari gleda svoja posla. 

 

Pogledaj kako su reagovale OUN na poslednje dogadjaje.

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/guteres-neophodno-politicko-resenje-za-izrael-i-palestinu/58gxjr4

 

Jednostavno, ljudi u Gazi zive tako da imaju jedva dovoljno da ne umru, a premalo da bi se to nazvao zivot.

 

Pozdrav, 

X500

 

 

Умјесто одговора

 

[Lord Protector]

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Israel at 70: Bibi’s Troubled Hour of Power
May 15, 2018

By Patrick J. Buchanan

 

For Bibi Netanyahu, Israel’s longest-serving prime minister save only founding father David Ben-Gurion, it has been a week of triumph.

Last Tuesday, President Donald Trump pulled the United States out of the Iran nuclear deal as Bibi had demanded. Thursday, after Iran launched 20 missiles at the Golan Heights, Bibi answered with a 70-missile attack on Iran in Syria.

“If it rains on us, it will storm on them. I hope we have finished the episode,” Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said, boasting that Israel’s raids hit “nearly all Iranian infrastructure in Syria.”

The day before, Bibi was in Moscow, persuading Vladimir Putin to cancel the sale of Russia’s S-300 air defense system to Damascus.

Yesterday, in an event televised worldwide, the U.S. embassy was transferred to Jerusalem, with Trump’s daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner doing the honors in what Bibi called a “glorious day.” Few can recall a time when Israel seemed in so favorable a position.

The White House and the Republican Party that controls Congress are solidly behind Israel. Egypt is cooperating to battle terrorists in Sinai.

Israel has a de facto alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf royals. And the Palestinians have never been more divided, isolated and alone.

Yet, there is another side to this story, also visible this last week.

As the transfer ceremony of the Jerusalem embassy was taking place, TV split screens showed pictures of protesting Palestinians, 52 of whom were shot dead Monday, with thousands wounded by snipers. Some 40,000 had rallied against the U.S. embassy move.

Even before Monday’s body count, the Gaza Health Ministry said that, over the previous six Fridays of “March of Return” protests, 49 Palestinians had been killed and 2,240 hit by live fire from Israeli troops.

Those dead and wounded Palestinians are not likely to be forgotten in Gaza. And while Israel has never had so many Arab regimes willing to work with her in pushing back against Iran, Arab League Chief Ahmed Aboul Gheit called the U.S. embassy move to Jerusalem, a “clear violation of international law.”

Gheit added: “The fall of Palestinian martyrs by the bullets of the Israeli occupation must ring an alarm … bell to any state that does not find anything wrong with the immoral and illegal stance that we are watching.”

Last week, Hezbollah, which arose in resistance to the 1982 Israeli occupation of Lebanon, and expelled the Israeli army 18 years later, won Lebanon’s elections. A Hezbollah-backed coalition will likely form the new government in Beirut.

Michael Oren, Israel’s former ambassador to the U.S. and Bibi ally, said that any attack by Hezbollah, which fought Israel to a standstill in 2006, should bring an Israeli declaration of war — on Lebanon.

While Israel launched some 100 strikes on Syria in recent years, Syrian President Bashar Assad has survived and, with the aid of Hezbollah, Iran and Russia, won his civil war.

Assad and his army and allies are far stronger now, while President Trump, Israel’s indispensable ally, speaks of bringing U.S. troops home from Syria. In polls, a majority of Americans lines up behind Israel in its clashes, but a majority also wants no more U.S. wars in the Middle East.

Also, Sunday, the U.S. sustained another major political defeat.

Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi lost his re-election bid. Based on early results, the winning coalition was that of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, against whose forces U.S. troops fought a decade ago.

Running second was a ticket led by a Shiite militia general close to Iran. When a new government is formed in Baghdad, the orientation of Iraq seems certain to shift away from the United States.

While the Israelis are the most powerful nation in the region, how long can they keep 2 million Palestinian Arabs confined in the penal colony that is the Gaza Strip? How long can they keep the 2 million Palestinians of the West Bank living in conditions even Israeli leaders have begun to compare to apartheid?

Across the West, especially in universities, a BDS movement to have students, companies and consumers boycott, divest and sanction Israeli-produced products has been gaining ground.

The Palestinians may have been abandoned by Arab rulers and the wider world. Yet, history teaches that people forced to survive in such conditions eventually rise in rebellion and revolution, take revenge, and exact retribution for what was done to them and their own.

Republican leaders often say that we cannot permit “any daylight” between the U.S. position and that of Israel.

But can the country that decried for decades the panicked reaction of an Ohio National Guard that shot and killed four students at Kent State University sit silent as scores of unarmed protesters are shot to death and thousands are wounded by Israeli troops in Gaza?

Bibi and Israel appear to be on a winning streak. It is difficult to see how, over the long run, it can be sustained.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by slow

[x500]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

Умјесто одговора

 

Simon, 

 

Koji tacno deep izlaganja treba da bude odgovor?

 

Pozdrav,

X500

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