Izrael, Palestina i arapske zemlje

[Roger Sanchez]

Sranje.

[Gandalf]

logika kaze da je Hamas kao najveca oruzana sila u Pojasu Gaze to u najmanju ruku odobrio.

rekao bih da se manje-vise ista matrica ponavlja proteklih par godina. IJ raketira, pa Izraelci uzvrate po IJ. ili Izraelci ubiju nekoga u Zapadnoj Obali ili Gazi, IJ uzvrati. 

 

IJ raketiranje je PR kampanja kojom se dokazuje kako se oni jos uvek bore, dok Hamas ne radi nista. to Hamas pokusava da spreci. ako je u pitanju uzvracanje IJ, Hamas mozda odobrava, ali se u svakom slucaju ne mesa.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Gandalf

[Eraserhead]

UNRWA CONDEMNs PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS

The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.

 

Nikako mi nije jasno kako neko ovo moze da radi.

[Gandalf]

Po meni sav uzrok ovoga leži u užasnom položaju u kojem se Gaza nalazi (geografskom, demografskom, ekonomskom i svakom drugom). Ako je politika Izraela da jednom rukom održava takav položaj a drugom tambura civile u znak odmazde zbog toga što se u takvom položaju očajno stanovništvo okreće ekstremnim ideologijama, onda bih rekao da tu politiku ili vode najveći slepci u svemiru ili kompletno beskrupulozni i veoma opasni ljudi.

nisu slepci, naprotiv. Izrael ima ogromne koristi od okupacije i status kvo im savrseno odgovara.

 

sa jedne strane, Izrael je zemlja sa najvecom stranom pomoci po glavi stanovnika. pored iznosa u dolarima, americka vojna pomoc i saradnja znaci i neogranicen pristup najmodernijoj tehnologiji. pristup tehnologiji made in USA je jedan od uzroka procvata haj-tek sektora u Izraelu. prestanak sukoba, i prestanak egzistencijalne opasnosti kojoj je Izrael izlozen 24/7, bi znacio smanjenje vojne pomoci, teskoce za haj-tek sektor, i znacajan ekonomski pad.

 

takodje, okupacija Zapadne Obale omogucuje pristup vodnim resursima u tamosnjim podzemnim rezervoarima. suvo zlato, u regionu u kojem je voda poprilican problem.

 

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer116/water-israels-occupation-strategy

Full and efficient exploitation of all the water resources within and even beyond its boundaries has sustained Israel’s capacity to "make the desert bloom." Water production within the pre-1967 borders peaked at just over 1.3 billion cubic meters per year, between 1958 and 1960. Even then, before the 1967 conquests, several hundred million cubic meters per year were pumped into Israel from a large aquifer lying mostly under the northern and western part of the West Bank. Large increases in Israeli water usage in 1969-1970 and again in 1975-1976, bringing consumption to a rate of 1,750 million cubic meters per year, were possible only with the large-scale diversion of Jordan River waters for Israeli use.

 

 

sa druge strane, steta od okupacije je minimalna. neogranicena americka podrska, u najmanju ruku nezainteresovani umereno-muslimanski rezimi, i bezuba EU, omogucuju neometanu kolonizaciju Zapadne Obale i blokadu Gaze. dok su fizicka steta od palestinskih milicija i broj poginulih Izraelaca minimalni.

 

slag na tortu je to sto troskove izraelske okupacije na Zapadnoj Obali ne snosi Izrael. naime, kao okupaciona sila, Izraelci bi bili obavezni da finansiraju funkcionisanje vlasti i svih mogucih i nemogucih sluzbi na okupiranim teritorijama. americki, EU, i arapski donatori daju novce za Palestinsku Upravu i time finansiraju izraelsku okupaciju.

 

jedino sto su Izraelci povremeno primorani da uloze malo truda kako bi utepali par stotina neposlusnih & terorista, kako bi pokosili travu i pokazali da je svaki otpor uzaludan.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Gandalf

[MancMellow]

A gde nije, u dalekom Ekvadoru na mejling listi mog univerziteta dva-tri dana strastvene svadje. Preovladavaju, doduse, oni kojima je ta tematika bliska srcu: imigrant Amerikanac Jevredjin, rekao  bih cionista, liberalni potomak imigranata Jevreja i jos jedan koji je potomak, rekao bih, libanske imigracije.

 

Ne znam da li tema i u Istocnoj Aziji izaziza ovolike strasti, tamo gde preovladavaju ove nase tri religije to je svuda minefield.

 

Ma gde preovladjuju i dve tj jedna i po. Videh da se pre neki dan pobise u Belfastu oko ovoga :D 

[Gandalf]

^ nista cudno. Irci se identifikuju sa teroristima, lojalisti sa kolonijalnom silom. they've been there, done that.

 

Ex-Sinn Fein chief leads Gaza solidarity minute in Irish parliament

Edited July 22, 2014 by Gandalf

[MancMellow]

 

 

Ex-Sinn Fein chief leads Gaza solidarity minute in Irish parliament

 

Pa, ok, nije to samo identifikacija, ima i nesto konkretnije  ^_^  ali to bi me vec uvuklo u diskusiju  :P

[Gandalf]

Nikako mi nije jasno kako neko ovo moze da radi.

sta je tu tako cudno? skola je prazna, pa je neka palestinska milicija iskoristila priliku da tu sakrije arsenal.

 

 

mislim... sve sto rade Izraelci, sve sto rade Palestinci, je tek varijacija sukoba izmedju okupatora i okupiranog, kolonijalne sile i pokorenog naroda, koji se toliko puta ponovio kroz istoriju. Izraelci rade ono sto bi se ocekivalo od okupacione sile, Palestinci rade ono sto su vazda radili porobljeni. princip je isti, sve su ostalo nijanse.  <_<

 

samo su u holivudskim filmovima sukobljeni ruzni i apsolutno zli zavojevaci protiv andjeoski cistih boraca za slobodu. istorija nas uci drugacije.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Gandalf

[Prospero]

1941, okupacija, pobuna, odmazda, nemačka medicina i prljavi balkanci...

[Roger Sanchez]

FAA Statement–Notice to Airmen Issued for Ben Gurion International Airport

   

For Immediate Release

July 22, 2014

Contact: Kristie M. Greco

Phone: (202) 267-3883

At 12:15 EDT on July 22, 2014, the FAA issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) informing U.S. airlines that they are prohibited from flying to or from Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport for a period of up to 24 hours.  The notice was issued in response to a rocket strike which landed approximately one mile from Ben Gurion International Airport on the morning of July 22, 2014.  The NOTAM applies only to U.S. operators, and has no authority over foreign airlines operating to or from the airport.

The FAA immediately notified U.S. carriers when the agency learned of the rocket strike and informed them that the agency was finalizing a NOTAM.

The FAA will continue to monitor and evaluate the situation.  Updated instructions will be provided to U.S. airlines as soon as conditions permit, but no later than  24 hours from the time the NOTAM went into force.

The text of the NOTAM reads:

!FDC 4/3630 ZZZ PART 1 OF 2 SECURITY ISRAEL POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS SITUATION—ISRAEL AIRSPACE DUE TO THE POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS SITUATION CREATED BY THE ARMED CONFLICT IN ISRAEL AND GAZA, ALL FLIGHT OPERATIONS TO/FROM BEN GURION INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (LLBG) BY U.S. OPERATORS ARE PROHIBITED UNTIL FURTHER ADVISED. A. APPLICABILITY. THIS NOTAM APPLIES TO ALL U.S. AIR CARRIERS OR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS, ALL PERSONS EXERCISING THE PRIVILEGES OF AN AIRMAN CERTIFICATE ISSUED BY THE FAA EXCEPT SUCH PERSONS OPERATING U.S.-REGISTERED AIRCRAFT FOR A FOREIGN AIR CARRIER, AND ALL OPERATORS OF AIRCRAFT REGISTERED IN THE UNITED STATES EXCEPT WHERE THE OPERATOR OF SUCH AIRCRAFT IS A FOREIGN AIR CARRIER. B. PERMITTED OPERATIONS. THIS NOTAM DOES NOT PROHIBIT PERSONS DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPH A FROM CONDUCTING FLIGHT OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TERRITORY AND AIRSPACE OF ISRAEL WHEN SUCH OPERATIONS ARE AUTHORIZED EITHER BY ANOTHER AGENCY OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE FAA OR BY AN EXEMPTION ISSUED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR. 1407221615-1407231615EST END PART 1 OF 2

!FDC 4/3630 ZZZ PART 2 OF 2 SECURITY OPERATORS SHOULD CALL THE DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN) AT 202-493-5107 FOR AUTHORIZATION. C. EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. IN AN EMERGENCY THAT REQUIRES IMMEDIATE DECISION AND ACTION FOR THE SAFETY OF THE FLIGHT, THE PILOT IN COMMAND OF AN AIRCRAFT MAY DEVIATE FROM THIS NOTAM TO THE EXTENT REQUIRED BY THAT EMERGENCY. THIS NOTAM WILL BE UPDATED WITHIN 24 HOURS, OPERATORS SHOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR U.S. NOTAMS FOR CHANGES OR UPDATES. 1407221615-1407231615EST END PART 2 OF 2

 

[Gandalf]

1941, okupacija, pobuna, odmazda, nemačka medicina i prljavi balkanci...

 

http://972mag.com/why-do-palestinians-continue-to-support-hamas-despite-such-devastating-loses/94080/

In The Fog of War, Errol Morris’ excellent documentary, former U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara speaks about a certain inability to understand the enemy – one that stems from a lack of empathy.

 

This understanding came to McNamara only in 1991, when he visited Vietnam and met with the country’s foreign minister. McNamara asked the foreign minister whether he thought it was possible to reach the same results of the war (independence and uniting the south with the north) without the heavy losses. Between one and three million people died in the war, most of them Vietnamese civilians.

 

“You were fighting to enslave us,” yelled the foreign minister at McNamara, who in turn replied that that is an absurd notion. The two nearly came to blows. But as time passed McNamara understood. “We saw Vietnam as an element of the Cold War,” he says, whereas what the foreign minister was trying to tell him was that for the Vietnamese it was a war of independence. Communism was not the heart of the matter for the Vietnamese. They were willing to make the worst sacrifices because they were fighting for their freedom – not for Marx or Brezhnev.

 

I’ve exchanged emails with people in Gaza in the past few days. These are people who don’t care much for Hamas in their everyday lives, whether due to its fundamentalist ideology, political oppression or other aspects of its rule. But they do support Hamas in its war against Israel; for them, fighting the siege is their war of independence. A Hamas warrior who swears by the Quran is no different from a Vietcong reciting The Internationale before leaving for battle.

[Prospero]

a, ne, dozvoli, gaza/palestinci su svodivi na hamas, i tako se prema njima ima ophoditi... 

[Gandalf]

 

TKO. Ovo mnogo boli.

 

Sada se Izraelci polomise da dokazu kako su palestinske rakete teror od koga se ledi krv u zilama, ali je 100% bezbedno za putnicke avione.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Gandalf

[maximus]

Zajebavaj se ti. Ta dvojica imaju tri godine vojne obuke i barem jedno dve-tri kriptije po Palestini.

ne vise - to su slike 2 americka drzavljanina koji su pre neki dan poginuli dok su oslobadjali™ gazu - dakle, moderni dzihadisti

[marav]

deca ne, ali njihovi roditelji snose deo krivice. nije da se ovo desava prvi put, ista prica svake 2-3 godine. palestinci prvo bi trebali da se bore protiv hamasa, koji vlada u gazi zahvaljujuci teroru (niko njih nije izabrao). palestinci ako ne mogu sami da se rese hamasa neka traze medjunarodnu pomoc u borbi protiv hamasa. pa jbmg taj hamas ubio vise pristalice fataha nego sto to uradio izrael

 

imaš podatke? tačne? roditelji baš te dece? i da jesu, mislim...sad treba malu decu izmasakrirati? ma nema veze. pa raaat je, kako ne razumete. rokaj, bato.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10984259/Revealed-the-Palestinian-children-killed-by-Israeli-forces.html