Lost

[morgana]

To bi mogli jednoglasno da izglasamo kao zvanicnu verziju. :D Ali sam ja kraj shvatio kao bacenu rukavicu u lice, od strane Dejmona i Karltona, u stilu: evo vam pametnjakovici sto ucitavate svasta u seriju, pa se snadjite. Vec dva dana samo o Lostu razmisljam. I dalje odbijam da priznam deo bez pada aviona kao afterlife... trenutno smisljam teoriju koja ce ukljucivati ogledala, odraze i sl. -_- A i za zeceve bi trebalo da se nadje mesto. Inace, ono sto su videli samo ljudi koji su gledali kraj na TV-u, nakon odjavne spice i Lost logoa, pojavila se ova slika:

ma. onim kristijanovim monologom ujebali su sve. zivot poslije smrti je koncept poznat svakom akulturisanom, dakle svakom, i mislim da to bas ukida mogucnosti drugacijeg tumacenja 6. sezone. ja sam odmah po gledanju, dok sam se iz petnih zila trudila da mi se finale bar malo svidi, imala vrlo nategnutu tezu da afterlajf moze da prodje kao 1 univerzum koji se aktivira poslije smrti u drugom (osnovnom). nesto kao kvantno samoubistvo ili sredingerova macketina. ali, to je bezveze, jer onda taj drugi univerzum mora da sadrzi sve mogucnosti pocevsi od svakog zamislivog dogadjaja, sto je haoticno (i nekako nisam spremna da to tumacim kao jedan univerzum)ili da je afterlajf jedan od bezbroj bezbroja univerzuma, i to onaj u kom je bomba uspjesno opalilaal bezvremenost mi je, onako, nerazumljiva, i onaj odlazak u bolje $utra, kad kristijan otvori vrata crkvetineonda sam se pomirila s tim da je kraj glup. dobro, mozda zato sto mi to lakse pada nego da se pomirim s tim da sam ja glupa i da ne razumijem kraj :Dedit: majkumu, sta bi sa onim imaginarnim vremenom sto ga faradej pominje? Edited May 26, 2010 by morgana

[B_B]

To bi mogli jednoglasno da izglasamo kao zvanicnu verziju. :D

vjerovatno je to prica koju su nam na kraju pokusali prodati, samo sto ja takav kraj ne priznam :)...

Inace, ono sto su videli samo ljudi koji su gledali kraj na TV-u, nakon odjavne spice i Lost logoa, pojavila se ova slika:

stvarno?ma sta se i ja lozim...nebitno...u medjuvremenu djelujem sebi kao neko kome su dali da cita nekakvo ocigledno propagandno "religijsko pismo", i to jedno od onih koje ne tematizira realne dogadjaje, vidjene i pojasnjene ocima jedne jako spiritualne osobe/autora, nego jednu ociglednu fikciju (barem oko toga cemo se nadam se svi sloziti), i uporno pokusava i trazi logicno pojasnjenje onoga sto cita...kmetrenutno mi se jos samo dvije teme motaju po glavi, jedno pitanje i jedan zakljucak:- hurley je jedini lik iz losta koji bi gledao lost- sta bi sa saidovih 40 djevica?.

[Takeshi]

onda sam se pomirila s tim da je kraj glup. dobro, mozda zato sto mi to lakse pada nego da se pomirim s tim da sam ja glupa i da ne razumijem kraj :D

:DKraj je komplikovan, cim ima toliko prostora za razne interpretacije. Bezveze je jedino ako predznanje gledaoca drasticno menja tumacenje. Jeste da je serija imala odlican "projektivni" momenat, da svako prema svom senzibilitetu ucitava sadrzaj, ali ipak bi trebalo da iz prethodnih sto sati, vecina dodje do slicnih zakljucaka. Svejedno, necu tako lako postati lostomrzitelj... barem ne bez postene borbe ovog leta. :P Nego, mozda manje zagonetke pomognu u slagalici... Dzejkob i Crni nisu mogli da ubiju jedan drugog, Dzek postaje isti kao Dzejkob - ubijaju se medjusobno?! Ako ih je Dezmond vratio u ljudski oblik vadjenjem cepa, kako je Crni zadrzao Lokovo telo?

[Conspirator]

Dzejkob i Crni nisu mogli da ubiju jedan drugog, Dzek postaje isti kao Dzejkob - ubijaju se medjusobno?! Ako ih je Dezmond vratio u ljudski oblik vadjenjem cepa, kako je Crni zadrzao Lokovo telo?

Ilana je ranije rekla da je Crni zaglavljen u Lokovom telu.

[morgana]

^^a jebga, interregnum :Ddzek nije smislio nova praviladobra su ti pitanjanesto nemam ideju sta je odgovoredit: jel crni zaglavljen u lokovom tijelu od (zbog) smrti dzejkoba?nesto se ne sjecam kad je tacno ilana to rekla. znam scenu, ne znam da je smjestim u vrijeme u odnosu na ubistvo dzejkoba u stopalu.

Kraj je komplikovan, cim ima toliko prostora za razne interpretacije. Bezveze je jedino ako predznanje gledaoca drasticno menja tumacenje. Jeste da je serija imala odlican "projektivni" momenat, da svako prema svom senzibilitetu ucitava sadrzaj, ali ipak bi trebalo da iz prethodnih sto sati, vecina dodje do slicnih zakljucaka.

mislim da je ovo sa cistilistem bilo previse eksplicitno i zato pojelo mogucnost za druga tumacenja, to sam htjela da kazem (inace opstepoznata ideja ne ukida nuzno druga tumacenja, naravno)ako je ideja da se kraj tumaci dvojako, trebalo je da bude suptilniji, sa nagovjestajem da u pitanju moze da bude i afterlajf, a ne onako eks katedra(la)o logici i odnosu prema ostatku serije da ne govorimo Edited May 26, 2010 by morgana

[gervasius twinkleminkleson]

Nego, mozda manje zagonetke pomognu u slagalici... Dzejkob i Crni nisu mogli da ubiju jedan drugog, Dzek postaje isti kao Dzejkob - ubijaju se medjusobno?! Ako ih je Dezmond vratio u ljudski oblik vadjenjem cepa, kako je Crni zadrzao Lokovo telo?

da, dezmond ih je ponovo uchinio ljudima. zato je locke po prvi put krvario, kad ga je dzek udario. a kako je zadrzao tijelo - blah, jer ga je imao i do tada. mislim, malo lame, ali dobro, to mi ne smeta toliko. nista mi ne smeta previse, osim samog kraja.

Svejedno, necu tako lako postati lostomrzitelj... barem ne bez postene borbe ovog leta

ja necu, nikad. tako sam odlucio -_- mislim, sranje je sideways kraj, ali ostrvski je super. bash me briga :D

Ne verujem da ce biti lost - related projekta. Nije lost powerhouse kao iz prve 2-3 sezone. Primera radi, Grey's anatomy je imala i vise gledaoca i bolji rejting u season finale nego lost u series finale.

a kako stoji u odnosu na battlestar galactica? i zar nije najgledanija ABC serija? svejedno, mislim da je dovoljno gledana da bi im se isplatilo tako nesto. ukoliko ikad budu odlucili na to, nadam se samo da nece zadirati u sustinu serije. a neki spinoffchic bi bio simpa :)

[Conspirator]

edit: jel crni zaglavljen u lokovom tijelu od (zbog) smrti dzejkoba?nesto se ne sjecam kad je tacno ilana to rekla. znam scenu, ne znam da je smjestim u vrijeme u odnosu na ubistvo dzejkoba u stopalu.

Kada su išli da sahrane Loka, valjda.

[morgana]

mogao je i vajer da zavrsi sa meknaltijem u raju 3067. godine, jednako bi bilo logicno kao i ovo sa lostom

[Amos]

End of Lost for dummies (prosledjeno od fanboy ortaka)

First ...The Island:It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet every time he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interfered by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Candidates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Candidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposely not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blatant.Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...Now...Sideways World:Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us during "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduism with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spiritual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.It's a really cool and spiritual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosaic.But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's partner, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spiritual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once wavered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply ASTOUNDING.

[djuras]

nego, ocemo opklade, sta ce biti prvi lost-related projekat? nastavak serije? film? sawyer & miles detektivski spinoff? lost - new generation?nema sanse da ne urade tako nesto, sta god bilo, previse je para koje se mogu izvuci da bi to propustili.

sta god da bude ja to necu gledati, nece me jeftinim forama navuci ponovo

[Takeshi]

End of Lost for dummies (prosledjeno od fanboy ortaka)

First ...The Island:It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet every time he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interfered by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Candidates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Candidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposely not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blatant.Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...Now...Sideways World:Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us during "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduism with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spiritual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.It's a really cool and spiritual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosaic.But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's partner, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spiritual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once wavered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply ASTOUNDING.

To bi bilo to. Ali opet mi je sideways deo problematican.

the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife.

Znaci, cistiliste nastaje eksplozijom atomske bombe? <_< Edited May 26, 2010 by Takeshi

[mandingo]

a kako stoji u odnosu na battlestar galactica? i zar nije najgledanija ABC serija? svejedno, mislim da je dovoljno gledana da bi im se isplatilo tako nesto. ukoliko ikad budu odlucili na to, nadam se samo da nece zadirati u sustinu serije. a neki spinoffchic bi bio simpa :)

BSG je isla na kablovskoj TV, broadcast je nesto sasvim drugo (recimo, tvoj omiljeni treme ima manje od milion gledaoca po epizodi... bar je imao). Rekoh, nije najgledanija serija na ABC-u, posto je tu Grey's... cak mislim da i modern family bolje stoji, sto se brojeva tice. Da se razumemo, ja bih voleo da nesto urade, neki spinoff. Mada, spinoff se obicno spinuje za vreme serije. Jednostavno, lost nije procedural drama koja se moze spinovati. Pa jebote, komplexsnost serije je ono sto je privuklo vecinu ljudi da je uopste gledaju. Udri na re - watch, nema ti druge. :P

[ToniAdams]

nema sanse da ne urade tako nesto, sta god bilo, previse je para koje se mogu izvuci da bi to propustili.

od mene nece dobiti ni cvonjka.

Kraj je komplikovan, cim ima toliko prostora za razne interpretacije.

razne interpretacije, poput onih projekcija koje pravi dete koje hoce da objasni zasto ga je mati ostavila u sirotistu. samo nam je tesko da prihvatimo da smo prevareni. kraj mi cak previse banalan.

Svejedno, necu tako lako postati lostomrzitelj...

pa naravno. kritikujemo ga zato sto ga volimo.

[kim_philby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIl0rYbW_hU&feature=player_embedded

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