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Topola, 

Nisu leteli iznad glava, ali su definitivno bili na prostoru koji je bio blizi publici. Pogotovo, kao sto sam vec napisao, spori let 'Talijana na Eurofajteru.

 

Sto se tice udesima na aeromitinzima, oni se desavaju iz razno raznih razloga. Najcesce je to skup okolnosti u trenutku da se naprezu i covek i masina.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

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Topola, 

Nisu leteli iznad glava, ali su definitivno bili na prostoru koji je bio blizi publici. Pogotovo, kao sto sam vec napisao, spori let 'Talijana na Eurofajteru.

 

Sto se tice udesima na aeromitinzima, oni se desavaju iz razno raznih razloga. Najcesce je to skup okolnosti u trenutku da se naprezu i covek i masina.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

 

To možeš da pričaš nekom drugom, ko nije bio tamo. Uostalom Beowl objasnio, a i ja sam imao veliku sreću da sam bio na aeromitingu sa dečkom koji je pilot na Akademiji. Pokazivao mi je planove leta, kako se već to zove, sa tačnim satnicama, visinama i figurama koje će biti izvedene.

 

Tvoja lična percepcija, to je druga priča, ali svi bezbednosni parametri su bili prisutni na aeromitingu, pogotovo posle onih padova, i avioni ni u jednom momentu nisu izašli iz svog perimetra koji im je određen.

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To možeš da pričaš nekom drugom, ko nije bio tamo. Uostalom Beowl objasnio, a i ja sam imao veliku sreću da sam bio na aeromitingu sa dečkom koji je pilot na Akademiji. Pokazivao mi je planove leta, kako se već to zove, sa tačnim satnicama, visinama i figurama koje će biti izvedene.

 

Tvoja lična percepcija, to je druga priča, ali svi bezbednosni parametri su bili prisutni na aeromitingu, pogotovo posle onih padova, i avioni ni u jednom momentu nisu izašli iz svog perimetra koji im je određen.

Utvara,

Ne razum Tvoj ton u postu ?!?

 

Napisao sam:

- Strani piloti su izvodili svoj program u prostoru blize publici. Dakle nisam ni jednog trenutka rekao da su radili program iznad publike.

- Nasi piloti su se trudili da budu malo dalje od publike.

 

Takodje, nisam rekao da je Miting 2012 nije bio bezbedan.

 

Pozdrav,

X500

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ponovo smo imali prilke da gledamo avion sa terase, nisko je leteo.

 

sad vec 3 komada, jedan do drugog.

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Utvara,

Napisao sam:

- Strani piloti su izvodili svoj program u prostoru blize publici. Dakle nisam ni jednog trenutka rekao da su radili program iznad publike.

- Nasi piloti su se trudili da budu malo dalje od publike.

 

Da ponovim, strani piloti jesu bili bliži publici ali po visini. To jest, leteli su znatno niže od naših. I jedni i drugi su prostorno bili tačno u predvidjenom perimetru koji ide paralelno sa publikom u skladu sa pravilima.

 

Grešiš po pitanju naših pilota. Oni se nisu trudili da budu dalje od publike nego što dalje od tla. I nisu bili zabrinuti za publiku nego za mogućnost da se tokom akrobacija zakucaju u zemlju pošto se dvojici najboljih medju njima upravo to dogodilo. Zapravo trojici ako računamo i pad Laste u Pazovi nedugo nakon mitinga.

 

Kada nisi liga za neke stvari onda ih prosto i fino ne radiš. Na žalost Srbi ovakve jednostavne mudrosti uvek uče na najteži mogući način i nakon što n puta razbiju glavu o zid.

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Grešiš po pitanju naših pilota. Oni se nisu trudili da budu dalje od publike nego što dalje od tla. I nisu bili zabrinuti za publiku nego za mogućnost da se tokom akrobacija zakucaju u zemlju pošto se dvojici najboljih medju njima upravo to dogodilo. Zapravo trojici ako računamo i pad Laste u Pazovi nedugo nakon mitinga.

 

Dopustimo mogućnost da nisu piloti neodgovorni, nego oni iznad njih koji se kockaju tuđim životima.

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Imam respekt prema pilotima i njihovom mentalitetu ali ovde je očigledno postojao neki ozbiljan sistemski propust. Nije problem u tome što se rade akrobacije - svaka vojska koja ima mlaznjake to radi. To je obavezan dekor. Ali veoma je bitno koje akrobacije se izvode i do koje granice se ide, a ta granica izmedju ostalog zavisi od uvežbanosti tj od mnoooogo sati provedenih u ponavljanju manevara i mic-po-mic približavanju onom nivou spektakla koji se želi postići. Nemam nikakve insajderske informacije ali ovako spolja mi deluje da su zagrizli prevelike zalogaje i hteli da izvode vrhunske manevre sa minimalnim brojem sati naleta odnosno stečene rutine.

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Japan rocket technologies misused by Yugo military in 1960s
July 16, 2012


By ICHIRO MATSUO/ Staff Writer

Japanese-developed rocket technologies were used for military applications after they were exported to the former Yugoslavia in the early 1960s, as feared by the United States, according to military sources.

The United States expressed concerns about a possible diversion by the socialist country, which was developing its own missiles, shortly after the rocket was exported.

Japan exported a Kappa sounding rocket, a launcher, a fuel production facility and a radar system, with the understanding they would not be used for military purposes.

The former Yugoslavia used the launcher and the radar for experiments of its own anti-aircraft missile, the Vulkan, former Yugoslavian military officials told The Asahi Shimbun.

According to a former top military official, who was responsible for missile development, the primary objective was solid fuel, rather than the rocket itself.

The sophisticated fuel, with a long combustion time, would enable the development of a large rocket.

By 1962, the fuel production facility was installed at the Slobodan Princip Seljo military explosives factory in Vitez, a city in the current Bosnia and Herzegovina. The factory later became a major production center for missile and rocket bomb propellants.

The Kappa rocket was developed by the Institute of Industrial Science at the University of Tokyo and a manufacturer.

In November 1959, Hideo Itokawa, who led the development as a University of Tokyo professor, announced that Japan agreed to export the rocket to the former Yugoslavia and accept engineers from the country.

He reportedly said the former Yugoslavia agreed to promise in the contract not to use the rocket for military research.

Six years later, U.S. President Lyndon Johnson asked Prime Minister Eisaku Sato whether measures were in place to prevent the rocket from being converted to military use, according to U.S. State Department documents.

Japan exported a Kappa rocket and a launcher to Indonesia in 1965, but Malaysia protested, fearing a diversion to military applications.

It forced Sato to announce the nation’s three principles on arms exports in 1967. An export ban at the time only applied to communist nations and countries in conflicts. It was strengthened to cover other countries in 1976.

According to the former top military official, the former Yugoslavia started negotiations on buying the rocket from Japan when Itokawa visited Europe in summer 1958.

Yugoslavia kept its distance from the former Soviet Union after World War II, making it difficult to procure advanced weapons. It began developing its own missiles by the mid-1950s.

According to Itokawa’s announcement in December 1960, the Kappa rocket, the launcher and the fuel production facility were worth 170 million yen. The radar was exported later.

The rocket was capable of lifting 15-kilogram Earth observation equipment 60 kilometers above the ground.

A senior official of the company involved in the rocket development wrote in a magazine in the 1980s about the fuel production facility installed in the explosives factory in Vitez.

According to the article, Japanese engineers were stationed to provide detailed technical assistance and that factory managers were satisfied with the level of fuel produced.

The factory later exported missile and rocket bomb propellants to developing countries. In the former Yugoslavian conflict in the early 1990s, warring parties fought over the control of the Slobodan Princip Seljo factory.

According to sources, the fuel production facility exported from Japan still remains in the factory.

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hmm, da smo nastavili sa ovim do osamdesetih  smo mogli da lansiramo satelite (kosmički program u klasi izraelskog).

 

edit: zaboravio link

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201207160003

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Juce nad Vracarom videh u niskom letu 3 29tke (prvo jedna pa 2 u paru sa njom), pa onda odmah nakon njih jednog 21eca, i odma iz njega par Orlova. I bas nisko su isli, lepo su mogli da se vide :) bilo mi zao sto nisam imao foto aparat sa sobom.

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Juce nad Vracarom videh u niskom letu 3 29tke (prvo jedna pa 2 u paru sa njom), pa onda odmah nakon njih jednog 21eca, i odma iz njega par Orlova. I bas nisko su isli, lepo su mogli da se vide :) bilo mi zao sto nisam imao foto aparat  MANPAD sa sobom.

tako

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