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5 minutes ago, Moonwalker said:


Racunaju li se u krizu profesije ona dva majmuna iz WP, Tilerson i onaj drugi sedi sa cvikerima, zaboravih mu ime? Pretpostavljam da su njih dvojica ostala.

Ne znam, ne citam WP.

 

Citam (i placam pretplatu) na NYT.

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8 minutes ago, Peter Fan said:

Ne znam, ne citam WP.


Pa ko je onda od ovih iz WP problem za profesiju? Prilicno konzervativna novina, sa par ovih od kojih se covek smrzne kad se usudi da procita.

 

Gledam pre neko dan klince koji kucaju na vrata za izbore kako su ih instruisali, svo ova provocirajuce smece  je kao sala i komika, pa ko im poveruje od onih sto sede na ogradi.

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Pa ko je onda od ovih iz WP problem za profesiju? Prilicno konzervativna novina, sa par ovih od kojih se covek smrzne kad se usudi da procita.

 

Zauzimanje strana, mesijanski sindrom, guranje odredjenog svjetonazora i nespremnost na bilo kakvu kritiku (cak i kad dolazi iz vlastitih redova). 

 

Mogao bih to (tudjmanovski) nazvati jednoumlje.

 

Evo recimo ovo:

 

I’ve Been at NPR for 25 Years. Here’s How We Lost America’s Trust. | The Free Press

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9 minutes ago, Peter Fan said:

Zauzimanje strana, mesijanski sindrom, guranje odredjenog svjetonazora i nespremnost na bilo kakvu kritiku (cak i kad dolazi iz vlastitih redova). 


Koji je to odredjeni svetonazor tacno problematican? Ili vise njih?

 

Koje su to strane i da li je bas sve zero sum igra da ako neko ima prava drugi ih automatski gubi?

 

Gledam likove u kuci od 200 kvadrata sa onim kamioncicima od par tona metala, sta njima tacno fali u zivotu? Ne izgledaju ni siromasno, ni neuhranjeno, ni otrcano.

 

Sta im to nedostaje? 
 

Kakav svetonazor nosi lik koji u zivotu sam nista nije napravio? 

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kakve se budalastine ovde pisu sve zato jer je siroma' bezos odlucio da malo pogura trumpa.

niti su ijedne novine ikada bile "neutralne", niti je ikada do sad bilo da novine formata WP, NYT i slicne ne endorsuju jednog predsednickog kandidata,

da ne govorimo da je nemoguce biti "neutralan" u situaciji kada je jedan kandidat degen i fasista.

 

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3 minutes ago, Moonwalker said:


Koji je to odredjeni svetonazor tacno problematican? Ili vise njih?

Tebe zanima sta meni licno smeta ili te interesuje sira slika?

 

Mozemo se baviti mojim uglom, ali ako te stvarno interesuje taj fenomen propadanja novinske profesije u Americi, procitaj clanak ovog biveseg urednika iz NPR, covjek je to odllicno opisao.

 

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20 minutes ago, Peter Fan said:

Zauzimanje strana, mesijanski sindrom, guranje odredjenog svjetonazora i nespremnost na bilo kakvu kritiku (cak i kad dolazi iz vlastitih redova). 

 

Mogao bih to (tudjmanovski) nazvati jednoumlje.

 

Evo recimo ovo:

 

I’ve Been at NPR for 25 Years. Here’s How We Lost America’s Trust. | The Free Press


 

Pa sta treba prognati socijalni liberalizam iz drustva da onima drugima ne bude neprijatno? Kako li misle to da urade u praksi? 
 

Ja po onome sto sam procitala u WP ne vidim da je uskraceno pisanje bilo kome, naprotiv.

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3 minutes ago, 3opge said:

kakve se budalastine ovde pisu sve zato jer je siroma' bezos odlucio da malo pogura trumpa.

 

3 minutes ago, 3opge said:

niti su ijedne novine ikada bile "neutralne", niti je ikada do sad bilo da novine formata WP, NYT i slicne ne endorsuju jednog predsednickog kandidata,

 

 

Pravis buku, a sam pojma nemas.

 

WSJ ne daje endorsments zadnjih 40 godina, USA Today je prvi put to uradio tek prije par godina i uopste trend je da novine to prestaju raditi. Zapravo NYT je jedan od izuetaka na nacinonalon nivou:

 

Why newspaper presidential endorsements have become an endangered species – Poynter

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13 minutes ago, 3opge said:

kakve se budalastine ovde pisu sve zato jer je siroma' bezos odlucio da malo pogura trumpa.

niti su ijedne novine ikada bile "neutralne", niti je ikada do sad bilo da novine formata WP, NYT i slicne ne endorsuju jednog predsednickog kandidata,

da ne govorimo da je nemoguce biti "neutralan" u situaciji kada je jedan kandidat degen i fasista.

 

 

Imaš neodoljivu potrebu na ovoj temi da ideš u krajnost i vređaš pritom konstantno iznoseći netačne podatke. Zapravo, sve do 1976. godine WP nije redovno endorsovao kandidate, posle čega je postala praksa da endorsuje gle čuda samo demokrate. Osnovan je inače 1877. godine. Sve prilično proverljivo na dva klika. Tako do tvoje ikada seže svega 30 godina u prošlost. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Peter Fan said:

Americi, procitaj clanak ovog biveseg urednika iz NPR, covjek je to odllicno opisao.


Procitala sam, nece mu Tramp ni okruzenje to srediti, nego doliti benzin. 

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23 minutes ago, ronin said:

 

Mislim da kladionice u ovom bar trenutku ne prate realno pollove. Odnosno pretpostavljaju da će Tramp imati bolji rezultat od pollova

 

Evo kontra-argumenta

 

 

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https://www.salon.com/2024/10/29/elon-musks-illegal-past-doesnt-feel-like-hypocrisy-to-maga--hate-rally-in-nyc-shows-why/
 

Spoiler

Last week, the Washington Post reported that Tesla CEO and Donald Trump super-fan Elon Musk was once, to use the term favored by MAGA, an "illegal." Which is to say, he did what the vast majority of undocumented immigrants do in the U.S. After he traveled here legally, he overstayed a visa and then worked without the legal authorization to do so. Investors were so worried the South African native would be deported that they even stipulated that he obtain legal status in their contracts, creating a paper trail proving his "illegal" status. As for why readers should care, the Post reporters offered a "hypocrisy" frame, noting, "Musk in recent months has amplified the Republican presidential candidate’s claims that 'open borders' and undocumented immigrants are destroying America."


 

Spoiler

The Trump campaign issued a mealy-mouthed comment saying the "joke does not reflect the views of President Trump," but it was quickly verified that the joke had been loaded into the teleprompter. The campaign knew full well what Hinchcliffe was going to say and only scrambled when reminded how many Puerto Ricans vote in swing states. But it's self-evident that the campaign spokesperson lied because she didn't disavow any of the many other racist jokes Hinchcliffe told, such as a tired joke about Black people and watermelon and another complaining about Latinos having babies. The "humor" at a 2024 MAGA rally comes right out of cartoons in 50s-era KKK pamphlets. 

Nor was Hinchcliffe alone. The entire rally was built on rhetoric aimed directly at denying the legitimacy of native-born Americans, often in grossly racist terms. Right-wing "influencer" Grant Cardone accused Harris of having "pimp handlers" and said, of Democratic voters, "We need to slaughter these people." Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson described Harris, who was born a U.S. citizen in California, as a "Samoan-Malaysian, low IQ former California prosecutor." That "Low IQ" claim is a favorite, unsubtle dog whistle Trump often applies to Black people, following his lifelong obsession with the racist pseudoscience of eugenics. Carlson's "joke" about Harris, who he knows full well has a Jamaican father and Indian mother, is just a trollish way of saying all non-white people are the same — and that none of them are real Americans. By the time Trump speechwriter Stephen Miller took the stage to declare, "America is for Americans and Americans only," there was no remaining doubt that "American" only means "white people" in the MAGA world. 


Saljivdzije…

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18 minutes ago, theanswer said:

 

Imaš neodoljivu potrebu na ovoj temi da ideš u krajnost i vređaš pritom konstantno iznoseći netačne podatke. Zapravo, sve do 1976. godine WP nije redovno endorsovao kandidate, posle čega je postala praksa da endorsuje gle čuda samo demokrate. Osnovan je inače 1877. godine. Sve prilično proverljivo na dva klika. Tako do tvoje ikada seže svega 30 godina u prošlost. 

 

 

 

naravno da nisam ni mislio na praistoriju Amerike i naravno da nisam mislio samo na WP.

najzad, tu je i najveca budalastina, podrska bezosu kao borcu za nezavisnost medija.

 


 

 

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