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  1. 1. Da li ćete se vakcinisati?

    • Da, prvom prilikom
      220
    • Da, ali ne odmah, sačekao bih prvi talas reakcija
      58
    • Ne zasad, ali sam spreman da promenim mišljenje
      16
    • Ne, nikako
      20
    • Ne znam
      14
  2. 2. Koju vakcinu biste napre uzeli?

    • Pfizer and BioNTech
      144
    • Moderna
      14
    • Sputnik V
      25
    • AstraZeneca
      21
    • Sinopharm China
      10
    • Svejedno mi je
      114

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Bloomberg tvrdi da globalno opada interesovanje za kineske vakcine.


 

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China Vaccine Diplomacy Wavers as Nations Seek Western Shots

In the early days of the Covid-19 vaccine rollout, Chinese shots saved countless lives. They kick-started inoculation programs across Asia, Latin America and the Middle East, while richer countries hoarded scarce mRNA shots from Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc.

But many governments that once relied on vaccines from Sinovac Biotech Ltd. or Sinopharm Group Co Ltd. are now turning to options from the U.S. and Europe instead, as concerns mount about Chinese vaccines’ efficacy against the delta strain and the Western stranglehold on mRNA supplies grows looser. That preference may already be showing up in China’s customs data, where exports of human vaccines dropped 21% in August to $1.96 billion from $2.48 billion in July, after rising steadily since Dec. 2020.

“Basically people took what they could get” when Covid vaccines first became available, said Nicholas Thomas, an associate professor at the City University of Hong Kong who has edited several books on foreign policy and public health.

“But as this has gone on, general populations -- rather than just medical practitioners -- have become more educated about the differences,” he said. “They have realized that not all vaccines are equal in terms of protection.”

 

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This shift played out during Thailand’s deadly outbreak earlier this year. As cases surged and Southeast Asia emerged as the new epicenter of the pandemic, the nation desperately tried to purchase vaccines. Only one supplier came through in time: China’s Sinovac.

The shots allowed the country of 70 million to begin its inoculation campaign earlier than hoped, but Thailand soon confronted a challenge now faced by lawmakers across the developing world.

The efficacy of China’s inactivated vaccines ranges from about 50% to 80% in clinical trials. But they are less potent than mRNA vaccines and questions are mounting about their effectiveness against the highly transmissible delta variant. As a result, the Thai government became the first in the world to offer an AstraZeneca Plc shot to people who had already received a jab or even two of Sinovac. While it is not an mRNA, Thai studies showed the Cambridge, U.K.-based company’s viral vector vaccine is potent as a booster to the Chinese shot, and that Pfizer’s dose was found to be even more effective.

But many Thais soon expressed a strong preference for Western shots -- even protesting to demand them -- and the country’s opposition began lambasting the government for its reliance on China. Thailand halted orders of Sinovac and began buying more Western vaccines.

“I’m not anti-Sinovac,” said Chaowat Sittisak, a 29-year-old teacher in northern Thailand who got a first dose of Sinovac but ordered a second Moderna shot from a private hospital. “If the world only had one vaccine and it’s Sinovac, I’d get it. But we have so many other choices. And I want whatever is best.”

Many governments that once relied on Chinese shots are now ordering or seeking donations of mRNA vaccines instead. The swing away from China is likely to accelerate as U.S. President Joe Biden promises to donate 1.1 billion mRNA shots, Europe pledges hundreds of millions of vaccines and India prepares to once again export AstraZeneca vaccines after curtailing shipments following its deadly second wave. In addition to availability and efficacy, freedom of movement may also be motivating the shift: Recipients of Chinese vaccines can’t travel to some locations, such as Singapore.

Vaccine Exports

In a written reply to Bloomberg, Sinovac said its CoronaVac shot has been effective at preventing hospitalization, intensive care admissions and deaths throughout the pandemic. A spokesperson said some countries first rolled out Sinovac to the elderly, who are more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19, while younger populations received different vaccines later, “and this should be factored in the evaluation of CoronaVac’s effectiveness.”

Many countries, including Thailand, have “purchased vaccines from multiple suppliers in order to maximize the number of doses available for their population,” the company said.

As things stand, the list of places shifting away from Chinese vaccines -- or augmenting them with Western boosters -- includes Singapore, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. In China’s own territory of Hong Kong, which has long offered residents a choice between BioNTech and Sinovac, health officials are now testing whether the Chinese shot will perform better when paired with a western booster.

Even in Pakistan, an all-weather ally of Beijing that’s used Chinese shots for 84% of its vaccination drive, some are going out of their way to find Western jabs: Muhammad Kashif, a 41-year-old motorcycle delivery rider in Karachi, felt lucky to find a rare dose of the Moderna vaccine at a crowded inoculation center where later arrivals were forced to get Sinovac.

“I thought that this is American, they must have made it after a lot of high-level research,” Kashif said. “I feel delighted I was able to get it. I feel it’s much safer.”

 

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While Sinovac allowed Thailand to start its rollout earlier than planned, the 6 million doses arriving in October will be the last shipment. In 2022, at least three quarters of the government’s orders will also come from Astra and Pfizer.

Moves like Thailand’s represent a blow to China’s vaccine diplomacy ambitions. Nevertheless, governments face a tricky balance between wanting to protect the public and maintaining good relations with China. The Thai Health Ministry has been careful to say that while it has no plans to order more Sinovac, it isn’t suggesting the shots aren’t effective.  

Chinese firms have exported some 884 million doses of its homegrown vaccines via mostly bilateral deals with places like Brazil and Indonesia. This week Chile started giving Sinovac shots to children as young as six, a strong endorsement of a shot that’s formed the backbone of their rollout. 

And there are still many parts of the world drastically short of vaccines. Some African nations, for instance, have barely started their inoculation drives after struggling to procure shots. Cote d’Ivoire, Burkina Faso and Kenya are all rolling out Chinese vacciness, and Beijing is a key supplier to the World Health Organization-backed Covax facility aimed at getting vaccines to the developing world. President Xi Jinping has pledged to export 2 billion doses this year, matching commitments by Group of Seven nations.

Various studies conducted around the world have shown the jabs to be effective at preventing serious illness and death. 

Yet China’s pharmaceutical firms -- which were initially less forthcoming than western companies in releasing clinical trial data -- have not released similarly conclusive studies that inactivated vaccines are effective against delta.

Over the coming year, policy makers may well continue turning away from the older technology of the inactivated Chinese vaccines, says Benjamin Cowling, a professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Hong Kong, who published a recent study in the Lancet showing the Pfizer vaccine generated 10 times more antibodies than Sinovac.

“If you’ve got some vaccines that are more effective than others, and the cost is roughly the same, then you’re going to get a better bang for the buck if you choose the more effective vaccines,” Cowling said. “But I still think that the supplies are limited, so it may not be as easy as saying, ‘We just want to order the Moderna vaccine,’ or whatever.”

‘Better Alternatives’

In Thailand, the opposition Move Forward party is now calling on the government to reveal the percentage of people who have only received the Sinovac shots.

“The government already knows that studies and research show inactivated virus vaccines are less effective against virus mutations when compared to mRNA-based vaccines,” said Wiroj Lakkhanaadisorn, an opposition lawmaker and a key critic of the government’s vaccine policies. “We should know the vaccination rate that excludes all two-dose Sinovac shots because the immunity may not be enough any more. Any regions that are ready can then reopen.”

Thailand’s health ministry didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Chaowat, the teacher, said he felt pressured to take the Sinovac shot because of his job but is hoping to get a Moderna shot in a month or two.

“The government is turning away from Sinovac because they have to push through with their reopening plan and they want to reduce vaccine hesitancy among people who don’t want Sinovac,” he said. “They’re turning to better alternatives.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-29/china-s-vaccine-push-falters-as-nations-switch-to-mrna-shots?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google

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Ковид-анализа: Невакцинирани се 77 отсто од заразените, 79 отсто од хоспитализираните и 85 отсто од починатите

 

Министерството за здравство ги анализира податоците за бројот на заразени, хоспитализираните и починатите од ковид-19 во периодот од 6 август до 30 септември

Меѓу заразените, 23 отсто се вакцинирани, а кај починатите тој процент е 15

 

Во периодот од 6 август до 30 септември во државава се регистрирани 35 531 граѓанин позитивни на коронавирусот, објави денеска Министерството за здравство.  Од нив, 23 отсто, односно 8 233 лица, биле целосно вакцинирани.

За вакцинирани се сметаат лицата со две дози со поминати најмалку 14 дена од примање на втората доза вакцина.

Според статистиката за изминативе недели, 27 298 граѓани, односно 77 проценти од позитивните не биле вакцинирани, наведува Министерството кое денеска објави анализа за речиси два месеца.

И кај хоспитализираните, 79 отсто се невакцинирани, додека  21 процент од сите кои во овој период биле примени на болничко лекување, се целосно вакцинирани.

Во однос на смртноста, во период од 6 август до 30 септември  на територија на државата починале 1 162 лица со ковид-19. Од нив 987 пациенти не биле вакцинирани, а 15 отсто (175 лица) биле вакцинирани.

Од Министерството за здравство велат дека вакцинираните кои починале имале повеќе комбинирани хронични заболувања, а биле вакцинирани со сите типови вакцини кои ги има на располагање кај нас, како и пациенти кои се вакцинирале во странство со вакцини на „Модерна“ и „Џонсон“.

Во споредба со анализата објавеа минатата недела, бројката на заразени, хоспитализирани и починати кои биле вакцинирани бележи пораст од еден процент.

25 minutes ago, vememah said:

 

na tom sajtu verovatno koriste podatak da makedonija ima nesto preko 2 miliona zitelja

juce zavrsio popis ... popisano oko 1 832k (nisam siguran da li u taj broj ulazi i 210k  samopopisane dijaspore, sto bi bilo tek porazavajuce)

hocu reci ... verovatno je procenat vakcinisanih nesto malo veci

Da, kad se isključi opcija "Relative to population", dobija se apsolutni broj pa se može izračunati da koriste 2,08 miliona.

4 minutes ago, vememah said:

Da, kad se isključi opcija "Relative to population", dobija se apsolutni broj pa se može izračunati da koriste 2,08 miliona.

 

zalosno .. 200k ljudi manje ... ali i ocekivano

i nije 200 ... gde je prirastaj svih ovih godina

a tek ce da bude manje

Aktuelni podaci o vakcinaciji:

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Broj doza: 6.497.670 – prva doza 3.040.293, druga doza 2.901.882, treća doza 555.495
Državljani RS – prva doza 2.870.854, druga doza 2.750.459, treća doza 552.760
Strani državljani sa boravkom u RS – prva doza 10.281, druga doza 9.399, treća doza 852
Strani državljani bez boravka u RS – prva doza 159.158, druga doza 142.024, treća doza 1.883
ažurirano 30.09.2021

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Broj doza: 6.371.972 – prva doza 3.014.528, druga doza 2.876.832, treća doza 480.612
Državljani RS – prva doza 2.845.970, druga doza 2.726.425, treća doza 478.646
Strani državljani sa boravkom u RS – prva doza 10.125, druga doza 9.274, treća doza 761
Strani državljani bez boravka u RS – prva doza 158.433, druga doza 141.133, treća doza 1.205

ažurirano 23.09.2021

 

Za 7 dana srpskim državljanima dato:
prvih 24.884
drugih 24.034
trećih doza 74.114
123.032 doza ukupno.

 

Dakle, dnevni prosek ove nedelje je 7x manji od toga:
prvih 3555
drugih 3433
trećih 10.588

sveukupno 17.576

 

Ukupan dnevni prosek datih doza je pao za preko hiljadu u odnosu na prošlu nedelju, povećale su se prve i druge doze, a treće nastavljaju silazni trend, opale su za 1700.

 

Dnevni prosek prošle nedelje:
3297 prvih
3045 drugih
12.306 trećih
sveukupno 18.648.

Osecam se totalno ocajno kad pogledam procenat vakcinisanih u drugim zemljama, i njihove brojke zarazenih/umrlih i uporedim sa ovim nasim pomorom. Place mi se, kovid rezim po klinikama, neko ceka pomoc oko drugih zdravstvenih problema. I opet mi se jedan deda zalepio na semaforu, ma 30 cm od mene. Rekla sam mu da sam sestra koja je izasla iz kovid ambulante i da je na meni korona sigurno. Pogledao me cutke i upalilo se zeleno 

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Asked what other countries can do to bolster their own vaccination efforts, he did not hesitate to offer his best advice.

“They need to find people who are not politicians,” he said.

 

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According to Health Ministry figures, the 10 cities and towns where the pandemic is spreading at the highest rate are all Arab. The leading communities – Taibeh, Nazareth, Yarka, Rahat and Kalansua – are all across the country, suggesting the worrying spike is not bound by a specific geographic area.

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Dekan Medicinskog: Vakcinisao bih se svakih mesec dana, ako je potrebno

Dekan Medicinskog fakulteta u Beogradu Lazar Davidović izjavio je da je prema medicinskim saznanjima i onome što je objavljeno u literaturi jedina prava mera protiv koronavirusa vakcinacija. "Ako je potrebno, vakcinisao bih se svakih mesec dana. Vakcinisali su se svi najbliži u mojoj užoj i široj porodici, moji prijatelji – mislimo da je to u ovom momentu jedino ispravno", rekao je Davidović za Nova.rs.

„Ja sam vaskularni hirurg i ne mogu kompetentno diskutovati o tom pitanju kao što to mogu vakcinolozi, epidemiolozi, infektolozi, imunolozi. Slušam njih i na osnovu toga gradim svoje mišljenje. Zapamtio sam još sa studija medicine, epidemiologiju sam slušao ’79 – ’80 i ono što sam naučio je da nije hirurgija ta koja je spasila najveći broj ljudi u istoriji medicine, to su preventivne medicinske mere, a tu je uvođenje vakcine. Verujem da je vakcinacija spasila desetine miliona ljudi, možda i više. Zahvaljujući njoj brojne bolesti su iskorenjene, ili barem stavljene pod kontrolu. To je jedini način za suzbijanje bolesti za koje ne postoji specifična terapija, kao što je u ovom trenutku kovid 19“, rekao je Davidović. (...)

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Od 100.000 umrlih u SAD u zadnje vreme (ukupno preko 700.000), dosad je za manje od 3000 njih potvrđeno da su bili vakcinisani.

 

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The United States government has not closely tracked the vaccination status of everyone who has been infected with the virus, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has so far identified 2,900 people who were vaccinated among the 100,000 who died of Covid since mid-June.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/us/us-covid-deaths-700k.html

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