Bajden - jedno staro i očekivano presidency?

[Meazza]

2 minutes ago, ObiW said:

Jebote i 1 Švajcarska je lupila ekonomske sankcije Rusiji, koje je inicirala Amerika a EU se dva dana premišljala oće kaki neće kaki, i ti me pitaš kako je ujedinio Evropu?  Evo priznajem nije baš celu, Moldavija i Srbija nisu, dva mala hrabra Galska sela u Rimskom carstvu. 

 

Znaci nisu uveli sankcije sto su smatrali da tako treba nego ih je Bajden naterao? Zanimljivo.

[Gandalf]

https://delong.typepad.com/delong_long_form/2015/01/the-future-of-the-european-project-and-the-future-of-the-eurozone-a-talk-from-2013-the-honest-broker-for-the-week-of-janua.html

 

There is a story that when Paul-Henri Spaak was Secretary-General of NATO, he was asked if it would not be a good idea to erect statues to the founders of what was then becoming the European Union--the ECSC, the EEC, the EC, et cetera. His response, supposedly: "What a wonderful idea! There should be a fifty-foot tall statue of Josef Stalin in front of the Berlaymont Palace to remind us of why we are all here!"

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And all of that vanished at the start of the 1990s - although there is a chance that we may in a few years be thanking Vladimir Putin for bringing it back.

[copkillah]

6 minutes ago, Meazza said:

 

Znaci nisu uveli sankcije sto su smatrali da tako treba nego ih je Bajden naterao? Zanimljivo.

 

Možda nisi znao, ali u Švajcarskoj ne smeju ni da prdnu dok ne pitaju Bajdena

[ObiW]

Bajden je hteo odmah Swift da ukine Rusima, EU se nećkala. Kada je objavio sankcije (bila je subota) na konferenciji je svako drugo pitanje bilo “a zašto ne i Swift”, dok nije na kraju priznao da nema saglasnost svih EU clanuca, i da mu je jako bitno da se svi u EU saglase sa tim merama a ne da ih unilateralno donosi.

 

Bajden je sav intelligence koji je imao o invaziji delio sa EU Nato partnerima. Objavio je i datum napada što je toliko iznerviralo Ruse da je FSB rekao “javite nam kad napadamo da znamo da ne idemo na GO”. Napali su 3 dana kasnije. Sve sto im je Bajden rekao je bilo istina, sto je pomoglo da USA utice na EU (i van EU osim ona dva Galska sela) da se nastupi jedinstveno. Veliki drzavnik.

[Krampa]

9 minutes ago, Meazza said:

 

Znaci nisu uveli sankcije sto su smatrali da tako treba nego ih je Bajden naterao? Zanimljivo. gurnuo u rat.

mozda

[duma]

12 minutes ago, Meazza said:

 

Znaci nisu uveli sankcije sto su smatrali da tako treba nego ih je Bajden naterao? Zanimljivo.

Ajde?  
Po ovom što naš Amerikanac piše ispade da oni tretiraju Evropu kao što Rusija želi da tretira Ukrajinu. Naravno, za to je najzaslužniji Bajden. Da je tamo neki drugi predsednik, Evropljani bi radili šta hoće?  Sreća što je on tamo da lupi od sto i uvede red. 

 

Edited March 7, 2022 by duma

[Roger Sanchez]

Danas je 20 godina mlađi Mark Rutte na presici u Londonu umjesto ''help Ukraine'' rekao ''help Canada''. Naravno, kratke jebitačne snimke nema, jer nema horde Trumpovih dupelizaca u Americi i njihovih globalnih pratitelja koje bi to isjekle i na tome jahale. Ali samo za skeptike:

 

 

Edited March 7, 2022 by Roger Sanchez

[Spooky]

28 minutes ago, Roger Sanchez said:

Danas je 20 godina mlađi Mark Rutte na presici u Londonu umjesto ''help Ukraine'' rekao ''help Canada''. Naravno, kratke jebitačne snimke nema, jer nema horde Trumpovih dupelizaca u Americi i njihovih globalnih pratitelja koje bi to isjekle i na tome jahale. Ali samo za skeptike:

 

 

1. Ne preteruj. Ne verujem da se njemu to toliko često dešava, a Bajdena skoro svaki put kad govori uhvate u nekom kiksu.
2. Mada to uopšte ne mora značiti kognitivni deficit. Sasvim je moguće da je to govorna mana (a znamo da od ranije ima i mucanje - mada nemam pojma da li to nekada ide zajedno). Npr. moja baka sa tatine strane koja je i danas sa 80+ godina izrazito oštrog uma ima taj problem od kad je se sećam - sa njenih 50 godina je često znala da pobrka reči, i posebno imena, pa čak i nas unuka. Sjećam se da je dok nam se obraćala znala izrecitovati imena svih unuka dok konačno ne dodje do pravog imena - iako je savršeno dobro znala kako se zovemo...

[ObiW]

Meazza, evo ti odgovora ma pitanje “a šta je Bajden uradio što EU nije”

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/biden-answered-3-am-call/626976/

 

 

Joe Biden hasn’t received the full credit he deserves for his statecraft during this crisis, because he has pursued a policy of self-effacement. Rather than touting his accomplishments in mobilizing a unified global response to the invasion, he has portrayed the stringent sanctions as the triumph of an alliance. By carefully limiting his own public role—and letting France’s Emmanuel Macron and Germany’s Olaf Scholz take turns as the lead faces of NATO—he has left Vladimir Putin with little opportunity to portray the conflict as a standoff with the United States, a narrative that the Russian leader would clearly prefer. He’s shown how to wield American leadership in the face of deep European ambivalence about its exercise.

 

[…]
 But Biden’s faith in his own foreign-policy chops leaves him unconcerned about proving his bona fides. He knows the dangers of bluster and has steadfastly avoided them. When Putin announced that he was putting his nuclear arsenal into “special combat readiness,” Biden quickly made clear that he wouldn’t reciprocate. He has brushed off calls to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine. From the start of his administration, he has tried to telegraph his thinking to Putin, so that the Russian leader could never misunderstand his intentions, and would never mistakenly assume that an American strike against Russia was imminent.

 

Biden’s response to Russia’s war has been marked by its creativity. In advance of the invasion, the administration surreptitiously hastened its shipments of arms to Ukraine, bestowing on it an armament well suited to the eventuality of urban combat. By preparing a suite of unconventional sanctions long before Putin’s troops crossed the border, the administration avoided the need to cobble together policy and the scramble to inform allies of its plans. The legwork was already done. Most impressively, it broadcast its intelligence about Russia to the world in anticipation of an invasion. (Having a veteran diplomat as CIA chief helps.) Because its assessment of Russian intentions proved to be painfully accurate, the maneuver has helped reclaim the lost trust of allies and the global public.

 

It’s a quietly bravura performance—and it’s hard to imagine that any of Biden’s rivals from the last election, not just Donald Trump but also the Democrats, could have come close to matching it. If anything, it is reminiscent of how George H. W. Bush led the world through the end of the Cold War, a similarly chaotic moment that could have easily exploded into nuclear conflict. In the middle of Joe Biden’s 3 a.m. call, I find myself grateful that he’s the one answering the phone.

 

[Meazza]

OK, gotcha.

[Peter Fan]

On 8.3.2022. at 22:27, ObiW said:

Meazza, evo ti odgovora ma pitanje “a šta je Bajden uradio što EU nije”

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/biden-answered-3-am-call/626976/

 

 

 

Pa iz ugla u kom je cilj satjerati Rusiju u cosak, makar ovi polupali i pola Ukrajine u tom procesu, onda sve 5. Takticki odlicno odigrano.

 

A ako se pogelda iz ugla kolektivne sigurnosti u Evropi, i sire, te Kini otvoren pristup sirovinama u pola cijene, onda strateski fail.

[3opge]

8 hours ago, Peter Fan said:

Pa iz ugla u kom je cilj satjerati Rusiju u cosak, makar ovi polupali i pola Ukrajine u tom procesu, onda sve 5. Takticki odlicno odigrano.

 

A ako se pogelda iz ugla kolektivne sigurnosti u Evropi, i sire, te Kini otvoren pristup sirovinama u pola cijene, onda strateski fail.

 

ko to satjeruje jadnu Rusiju sa trovacem na stiklama u cosak pa je prinudjena da polupa pola Ukraine?

 

 

 

 

 

[ObiW]

12 hours ago, Peter Fan said:

Pa iz ugla u kom je cilj satjerati Rusiju u cosak, makar ovi polupali i pola Ukrajine u tom procesu, onda sve 5. Takticki odlicno odigrano.

 

Pa po toj logici je i Srbija saterana u ćošak kad su CG i Sev Makedonija zatražile članstvo u NATO. Ipak, nikom nije palo na pamet da šalje srpske tenkove u Mojkovac i Kumanovo, kako to kako to?

 

 

 

[x500]

1 hour ago, ObiW said:

 

Pa po toj logici je i Srbija saterana u ćošak kad su CG i Sev Makedonija zatražile članstvo u NATO. Ipak, nikom nije palo na pamet da šalje srpske tenkove u Mojkovac i Kumanovo, kako to kako to?

 

 

 

Nije Srbija saterana u cosak vec se saterana u krug, OTAN je okruzio. 

 

Druga vazna stvar, ostale zemlje su usle u OTAN, a ovde je OTAN usao u Srbiju. I kako sad Srbija moze da udje u OTAN koji je vec u njoj. 

Kako Srbija moze da se buni sto su SM i CG usle u ono sto je vec u Srbiji. 

[brusli]

5 hours ago, ObiW said:

 

Pa po toj logici je i Srbija saterana u ćošak kad su CG i Sev Makedonija zatražile članstvo u NATO. Ipak, nikom nije palo na pamet da šalje srpske tenkove u Mojkovac i Kumanovo, kako to kako to?

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, 3opge said:

 

ko to satjeruje jadnu Rusiju sa trovacem na stiklama u cosak pa je prinudjena da polupa pola Ukraine?

 

 

 

 

 

Ko je saterao USA u cosak 1962. sa Kubanskom krizom ?

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