Biden / Trump - Americki izbori 2020

[eumeswil]

Kakav tim snova.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by eumeswil

[Indy]

Dajte bre neku dobru vest... bilo šta, uzimam, ne pitam. Inače, sve se (za mene) svodi na ovaj stari tweet.

 

 

 

[Moonwalker]

9 minutes ago, Indy said:

Dajte bre neku dobru vest... bilo šta, uzimam, ne pitam. Inače, sve se (za mene) svodi na ovaj stari tweet.

 

 

 

 

 

Odlican je, tvit. 

[Gandalf]

6 hours ago, eumeswil said:

Kakav tim snova.

sve nekakvi profesionalci unajmljeni za poslove za koje su stručni. nema radnika, seljaka i poštene inteligencije.  

 

Eric Velez-Villar spent 30 years at FBI and eventually was a senior executive for Intelligence Branch. He left to become head of security for Disney's parks and resorts and protect corporation's "sensitive information." He is volunteer for Intelligence Community group.

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Linda Thomas-Greenfield was US assistant secretary of state for African affairs and has been the senior vice president for Albright Stonebridge Group's Africa section. Thomas-Greenfield is a volunteer and team lead for State Department group. (friško: Grinfild je izabrana za ambasadorku u UN-u.)

[Indy]

Malo poštene inteligencije tu ne bi bilo na izmet™.

[Gandalf]

2 minutes ago, Indy said:

Malo poštene inteligencije tu ne bi bilo na izmet™.

To mu dođu oni koji su neiskompromitovani radom u bezbednnosnim službama ili diplomatiji, ali su stručni da pišu dugačke eseje o bitnim stvarima?

[Indy]

Ne moraju da pišu dugačke eseje, dovoljno je da watch the watchers.

 

A posle mogu da pišu i eseje (ako im se dozvoli.)

[Gandalf]

 

21 minutes ago, Indy said:

Ne moraju da pišu dugačke eseje, dovoljno je da watch the watchers.

oni sa iskustvom u državnoj administraciji, bezbednosnim službama, diplomatiji... su iskompromitovani. pa bismo plaćali ljude koji nisu iskompromitovani (tj. nemaju nikakvo iskustvo ali su pametni i čestiti). 

 

intelektualci. ko bi birao te intelektualce? Bajden? ili pak neki viši autoritet od njega? 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team

The US government employed 2 million people, 70% of them one way or another in national security. It managed a portfolio of risks that no private person or corporation was able to manage. Some of the risks were easy to imagine: a financial crisis, a hurricane, a terrorist attack. Most were not: the risk, say, that some prescription drug proves to be both so addictive and so accessible that each year it kills more Americans than were killed in action by the peak of the Vietnam war. Many of the risks that fell into the government’s lap felt so remote as to be unreal: that a cyberattack left half the country without electricity, or that some airborne virus wiped out millions, or that economic inequality reached the point where it triggered a violent revolution. Maybe the least visible risks were of things not happening that, with better government, might have happened. A cure for cancer, for instance.

 

Enter the presidential transition. A bad transition took this entire portfolio of catastrophic risks – the biggest portfolio of such risks ever managed by a single institution in the history of the world – and made all the bad things more likely to happen and the good things less likely to happen. Even before Stier created an organisation to fix the federal government, the haphazard nature of presidential transitions drove him nuts. “We have a legacy government that hasn’t kept up with the world we live in, largely because of disruptions from bad transitions,” he said. “People don’t understand that a bungled transition becomes a bungled presidency.” The new people taking over the job of running the government were at best only partially informed, and often deeply suspicious, of whatever happened to be going on before they arrived. By the time they fully grasped the problems they were dealing with, it was time to go. “It’s Groundhog Day,” said Stier. “The new people come in and think that the previous administration and the civil service are lazy or stupid. Then they actually get to know the place they are managing. And when they leave they say: ‘This was a really hard job, and those are the best people I’ve ever worked with.’ This happens over and over and over.”

 

Most of the big problems inside the US government were of the practical management sort and had nothing to do with political ideology. A mundane but important example was how hard it was for any government agency to hire new people. Some agencies couldn’t hire anyone without 60 different people signing off on him. The George W Bush administration had begun to attack that particular mundane problem. The Obama administration, instead of running with the work done during the Bush years, had simply started all over again.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Gandalf

[Indy]

25 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

oni sa iskustvom u državnoj administraciji, bezbednosnim službama, diplomatiji... su iskompromitovani. pa bismo plaćali ljude koji nisu iskompromitovani (tj. nemaju nikakvo iskustvo ali su pametni i čestiti)

 

Ima još uvek prilike da se napravi solidan izbor koji reflektuje sve značajnije segmente onih koji su Bajdena izabrali (kao što je bilo nagoveštavano kada je trebalo navesti ljude da čekaju satima u redu, sa šansom da zarade kovid, da bi dali svoj glas.) 2022. su sledeći izbori, bilo bi opasno da dobar deo glasača koji su sad glasali Bajdena odluči da ostane kući.

[Gandalf]

20 minutes ago, Indy said:

Ima još uvek prilike da se napravi solidan izbor koji reflektuje sve značajnije segmente onih koji su Bajdena izabrali. kao što je bilo nagoveštavano...

šta je nagoveštavano? da će na odgovorne pozicije dovoditi ljude koji nikada nisu radili bilo šta vezano za državne službe, jer su ceo život proveli po univerzitetima ili kao nekakvi aktivisti!? (tj. ne znaju ništa, ali imaju ispravne stavove.)

Edited November 23, 2020 by Gandalf

[Indy]

14 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

šta je nagoveštavano?

Mnogo si se uhvatio tih koji su "ceo život proveli po univerzitetima" (ja to nikad nisam spomenuo, naprotiv, mislim na svežu krv.)

 

Misim na ovakve stvari (nb - ovo je još uvek aktuelno i tek ćemo videti, ili nećemo, kako će se stvari odvijati u ovom pogledu.)

 

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President-elect Joe Biden's deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield said Sunday that the former vice president would follow through on his promises to implement what she characterized as a progressive policy agenda.

 

"He's going to make good on those commitments," she continued. "I mean we, you know, he spent time during this campaign bringing people together around this climate plan. He was able to get the endorsement of groups like the Sunrise Movement and the endorsement of labor for this plan."

 

"It's a big, aggressive plan," Bedingfield continued. "It's a perfect example of the kind of, you know, big effort that he is going to make to meet this moment and to meet these crises that we’re in."

 

 

 

[Gandalf]

16 minutes ago, Indy said:

Mnogo si se uhvatio tih koji su "ceo život proveli po univerzitetima".

ja se uhvatio administrativnih pitanja. tj. koga Bajden bira u tranzicioni tim, i koga ce birati na bitne pozicije u vladi i agencijama. jer je okidac za ovu diskusiju Bajdenov tranzicioni tim.

 

meni je potaman da su clanovi tranzicione grupe za DoS karijerne diplomate, tranziciona grupa za obavestajne sluzbe su CIA/FBI/NSA... takodje mi je potaman da tu nema nestrucnih ispravnomislecih (aka postena inteligencija, aka profesori i/ili aktivisti). 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Gandalf

[Anduril]

On 21.11.2020. at 21:33, Gandalf said:

niti su mali poslodavci u pitanju u Vermontu. razlika je u tome da Sanders to radi u korist naroda, svi ostali su korumpirani -> Antiwar candidate Bernie Sanders faces backlash over the $1.2 trillion war machine he brought to Vermont

 

mada to progresivno "licemerje" i nije neki problem. možda je veći problem to da progresivni nisu licemeri već iskreno veruju u ta sranja (znam par ljudi koji su u tom tripu), tj. ljudi iskreno veruju da neki progresivac pomaže korporacijama jer je to u narodnom interesu. dok svi ostali rade to isto jer su korporativne kučke. što će reći... progresivci kritikuju sistem koji ne razumeju, i tim nerazumevanjem nemaju pojma šta tu valja i ne valja opravljati.

 

npr. ovakav sistem jeste bušan, i tu ima stvari koje valja opraviti. ali takav sistem ima i značajnu pozitivnu stranu. aka federalizam - senator/kongresmen/guverner koji se u kampanjama oslanja na novac koji dobija od firmi i individua ne zavisi od dobre volje federalnih vlasti i centara moći van matične sredine. ovih dana imamo priliku da vidimo sve moguće prednosti federalizma, dok gledamo kako republikanski guverneri odhebavaju svinju. opravio ga Medison, svaka mu čast.

To koliko lokalni GOP politicari nisu zavisni od Trampa ili Koch mreze smo videli poslednje 4 godine. Skoro svi osim Romnija i rahmetli Mekejna su stali iza Trampovog i Kochovskog gazenja po institucijama i profesionalnim normama. Jedino izborno brojanje nisu do kraja kompromitovali a za sve ostalo su prodali dusu. Postali su van-sistemska tj. anti-demokratska partija koja se uvlaci svinji kako verovatno jos nije vidjeno u ovom veku. Dakle, argument je slab jer kandidate i kampanje mozes da finansiras recimo lokalnim porezima. 

A drugo, jos jednom, ako imas hiljade donatora iz svih slojeva drustva nije uporedivo ako imas nekoliko korporativnih glavnih donatora. U demokratskom sistemu i korporacije i mala preduzeca i pojedinci treba da imaju glas i uticaj. Problem nastaje kad se taj balans vec eto 40 godina pomera u samo jednom smeru. Progresivci tipa Berni nisu zapravo levicari u pravom smislu te reci, a jos su dalje od socijalista. Oni su centristi, tj. zalazu se da postoji balans snaga. Pravi socijalista bi poceo sa nacionalizacijom i u potpunosti bi sasekao uticaj korporacija na politiku.

[dragance]

Sve je pocelo kada je GOP prihvatio Tea Party u svoje krilo, i od tada pocinje taj sunovrat.

[Anduril]

5 hours ago, dragance said:

Sve je pocelo kada je GOP prihvatio Tea Party u svoje krilo, i od tada pocinje taj sunovrat.

Pa sad, svojevremeno je Nikson pravio svasta i takodje odbijao da se povuce. Te tendecije su uvek bile tu ali se ovog puta kontekst promenio. U vreme Niksona nije bilo Fox i FB propagandne masinerije i desetine miliona zaludjenih dnevnim pranjem mozga.