Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[Lancia]

Moje ostrvo otislo opet u crvenu zonu, razmatra se zabrana ulaska u zatvoren prostor svima koji nisu vakcinisani.

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trebalo je pre mesec dana svima koji pricaju engleski, sad je dockan.

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[Svarog]

1 hour ago, vememah said:

 

pravi trenutak za Olimpijske Igre.

"Brže, više, jače".

možda Komitet da razmisli da uvrsti ovako neku disciplinu na ovogodišnje igre - broj preminulih u danu.

i onda se to doda (ili oduzme  ) od broja osvojenih medalja na kraju.

 

#crnihumor

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[vememah]

Malo su izgleda bili na klabingu u Limasolu.

 

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It is believed that the initial Covid-19 infections were picked up as sailors went out on shore leave in the port of Limassol, Cyprus, at the end of June.

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-hms-queen-elizabeth-and-strike-group-hit-with-major-covid-outbreak-after-cyprus-shore-leave-3306549

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=CYP~European+Union

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Israel is planning tougher health restrictions to combat rising cases of Covid-19 as the Delta variant spreads, the prime minister's office said in a statement today.

If the new plans are approved by parliament, only those vaccinated or who have recovered from coronavirus will be allowed to take part in indoor events of more than 100 people.

They will also have to wear masks, except for eating and drinking.

 

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0715/1235416-israel-covid-latest/

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Edited July 16, 2021 by vememah

[אַף אֶחָד]

U mom ataru skacu brojevi ko nenormalni. 5500 zarazenih u poslednjih 10 dana, od toga 17% vakcinisano jednom, a 10% s obe doze. Vakcine u ogromnom procentu pfizer, nesto malo johnsona i astrazeneke. Nema statistike vakcinisanosti i tezine covida. Prvih dana ovog novog talasa nije bilo mrtvih, sad 1, 2, 3, kako kad. Manje od 1% trenutno zarazenih, ali mrtvi su se najverovatnije zarazili pre nego sto je ovaj talas buknuo (tako da moguce da je smrtnost samo prividno ispod 1%). 

 

I za vakcinisane, a zarazene nema informacije kad su se vakcinisali. Ovi sto su jednom vakcinisani verovatno su bili u periodu izmedju dve vakcine kada zastita jos nije efikasna, a oni se opustili.

 

Zajabeno sve to. Kapiram i zurke i glupi latinosi sto moraju da se ljube i grle i sve, ali opet mi je totalno nepojmljivo da brojevi ovako skacu (vakcinisanost 1/2 doze trenutno 47/62% 12+ populacije).

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England’s lifting of Covid lockdowns is a danger to the entire world, experts warn
FRI, JUL 16 2021

 

• Gathering at a virtual summit on Friday, leading scientists and government advisors from all over the world warned that Britain was heading for disaster by removing most of its remaining restrictions on Monday.

• The event came as more than 1,200 scientists backed a letter to the Lancet medical journal, in which U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s plans were dubbed “dangerous and premature.”

 

LONDON — Global scientists have criticized the U.K. government’s plans to ease almost all Covid-19 restrictions, calling it unethical and dangerous for the entire planet.

Gathering at a virtual summit on Friday, leading scientists and government advisors from all over the world warned that Britain was heading for disaster by removing most of its remaining restrictions on Monday.

The event came as more than 1,200 scientists backed a letter to the Lancet medical journal, in which U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s plans were dubbed “dangerous and premature.”

England will see most of it last remaining restrictions, including mandatory mask-wearing and social distancing, removed on Monday, which Johnson has said will be an “irreversible” move.

Johnson has fiercely defended his new strategy and has argued that now is “the right time to proceed,” before the weather turned colder and as “the natural firebreak of the school holidays” approached.

“It is absolutely vital that we proceed now with caution … we cannot simply revert instantly from Monday to life as it was before Covid,” he said at a press conference Monday.

Speaking on Friday’s panel, Christina Pagel, director of the Clinical Operational Research Unit of London’s UCL, warned that there was potential for a new variant of Covid to emerge this summer.

“Any mutation that can infect vaccinated people better has a big selection advantage and can spread,” she said. “And because of our position as a global travel hub, any variant that becomes dominant in the U.K. will likely spread to the rest of the world — we saw it with alpha, and I’m absolutely sure that we contributed to the rise of delta through Europe and North America.”

“The U.K. policy doesn’t just affect us, it affects everybody — everybody has a stake in what we do,” she added.

Clinical epidemiologist Deepti Gurdasani, who also attended the summit, agreed, saying on Twitter before the event that “the world is watching the current avoidable crisis unfold in the U.K.”

Michael Baker, a professor of public health and a member of the New Zealand Ministry of Health’s advisory group, said he was “amazed” by the British government’s plans to lift almost all restrictions on Monday.

Baker suggested the U.K. government seemed to be reverting to a “herd immunity approach,” which he dubbed “completely unacceptable,” arguing that the strategy had “failed dismally around the globe.”

New Zealand has widely been seen as successful at suppressing the coronavirus within its borders, and life in the island nation has returned to a state of relative normalcy. The country currently has 48 “active” cases, all of which were found in people entering the country, and nine of which were reported in the last 24 hours. There are zero cases within the community, according to New Zealand’s Ministry of Health.

 

 ‘Disaster’ policy

 

William Haseltine, a U.S. virologist and chair and president of ACCESS Health International, told the panel at Friday’s summit that the world had “always looked to the U.K. for great, sensible policies.”

“Unfortunately, that has not been the case for the Covid pandemic,” he said. “What I fear is that some of the worst impulses in many of our states will follow the U.K. example.”

Haseltine slammed so-called herd immunity strategies — where populations are allowed to build up natural immunity to an illness through exposure to it — as “murderous.”

“I think that’s a word we should use, because that is what it is. It is knowledge that you are doing something that will result in thousands, and in some cases tens of thousands of people dying,” he said.

“It is disaster as policy, it’s been clear that that’s been the case for some time, and to continue to espouse that policy is unconscionable.”

Jose M Martin-Moreno, a professor of public health at the University of Valencia in Spain, echoed Haseltine’s concerns about other parts of the world following the U.K.’s lead.

“We cannot understand why this is happening in spite of the knowledge that (the U.K.) has,” he said, cautioning that other countries may begin to “mimic” British policies.

“If we remove the tools that contain the transmission — this is it,” he added.

 

‘Everybody is affected’

 

Yaneer Bar-Yam, president of the New England Complex Systems Institute and founder of the World Health Network, said that now was the time for governments to act — but in the opposite direction of British lawmakers.

“Opening up when the pandemic is still propagating doesn’t make sense for protection of the public,” he said. “Everybody is affected once the pandemic is out of control.”

Meanwhile, Shu-Ti Chiou, founding president of Taiwan’s Health and Sustainable Development Foundation, said it was unethical to “take the umbrella away from people without a raincoat while it’s raining very hard.” She also raised concerns that with children unable to be vaccinated, they would be “left behind” due to the high prevalence of “long Covid” among young people.

However, there were also warnings that even those who were fully vaccinated would feel the impact of high transmission rates.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/16/englands-lifting-of-covid-lockdowns-a-danger-to-whole-world-experts.html

Edited July 16, 2021 by vememah

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16 hours ago, chandra said:

U mom ataru skacu brojevi ko nenormalni. 5500 zarazenih u poslednjih 10 dana, od toga 17% vakcinisano jednom, a 10% s obe doze. Vakcine u ogromnom procentu pfizer, nesto malo johnsona i astrazeneke. Nema statistike vakcinisanosti i tezine covida. Prvih dana ovog novog talasa nije bilo mrtvih, sad 1, 2, 3, kako kad. Manje od 1% trenutno zarazenih, ali mrtvi su se najverovatnije zarazili pre nego sto je ovaj talas buknuo (tako da moguce da je smrtnost samo prividno ispod 1%). 

 

I za vakcinisane, a zarazene nema informacije kad su se vakcinisali. Ovi sto su jednom vakcinisani verovatno su bili u periodu izmedju dve vakcine kada zastita jos nije efikasna, a oni se opustili.

 

Zajabeno sve to. Kapiram i zurke i glupi latinosi sto moraju da se ljube i grle i sve, ali opet mi je totalno nepojmljivo da brojevi ovako skacu (vakcinisanost 1/2 doze trenutno 47/62% 12+ populacije).

Isto kod mene, dosta ljudi se vakcinisalo, ostatak ni puskom neces naterati, ali zato imamo ovo:

[borris_]

Napisao sam vec da je Macron uveo sanitarni pasos u fr. Odma su pocele demonstracije (doduse nisu velike) sa parolama "dole diktatura" "Staljin" "Shoa"....

Najbolja je bila zena sa maskom ispod nosa na tv-u izljavljujuci kako ona najbolje zna kako sda se zastiti i kako da zastiti druge.

 

Inace ovdje je buknulo, prvo Pariz pa sada azurna obala.

Ro = 1.5 a prije dvije sedmice bio oko 0.7.

Edited July 17, 2021 by borris_

[Indy]

Poenta vakcinisanja je da se vakcinise cca 80% populacije (+ ili -)... Nije za cudjenje da medju obolelima sada ima i vakcinisanih (vakcine nisu preventivni lek, poenta je izazvati imunitet krda.) Pasosi za vakcinama su skoro beskorisni a i verovatno sigurno ce biti zloupotrebljeni (skoro sve vlade sveta imaju sklonost da to urade), premda su naravno antivax protestanti moroni svoje vrste.

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1 hour ago, borris_ said:

Inace ovdje je buknulo, prvo Pariz pa sada azurna obala.

Ro = 1.5 a prije dvije sedmice bio oko 0.7.

 

To objasnjava ovo

 

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Fully jabbed travellers returning to England and Wales from France will still have to quarantine from Monday. 

From 19 July, adults who have been double jabbed in the UK arriving from amber list countries will not need to isolate for 10 days.

But the government said the easing would not apply to France due to "persistent" cases of the Beta variant, first identified in South Africa.

 

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32 minutes ago, Indy said:

Poenta vakcinisanja je da se vakcinise cca 80% populacije (+ ili -)... Nije za cudjenje da medju obolelima sada ima i vakcinisanih (vakcine nisu preventivni lek, poenta je izazvati imunitet krda.) Pasosi za vakcinama su skoro beskorisni a i verovatno sigurno ce biti zloupotrebljeni (skoro sve vlade sveta imaju sklonost da to urade), premda su naravno antivax protestanti moroni svoje vrste.

Uvode pasose kako bi natjerali ove sto nisu protiv vakcina ali i dalje oklijevaju da se vakcinisu. Njih ima dosta (zelim da vjerujem da su antivax u velikoj manjini).

Imam druga koji nije protiv vakcina ali nije see vakcinisao jer vakcina nije obavezna. Njegova zena se vakcinisala. Ali on je imao koronu pocetkom godine pa vjerovatno ima neka antitjela. Kolega, >60 godina nije se vakcinosao, zena mu direktorica skole jeste.

Nisu oni protiv vakcina ali opet oklijevaju.

 

Cilj je da se dodje do tih 80% vakcinisanih.