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43 minutes ago, kud u maglu Simoviću said:

da, ali su isto tako prvi put u modernoj istoriji sve te kompanije, svi virusolozi, infektolozi, farmakolozi i ostali olozi zajedno radili na samo jednom projektu. pa valjda i to ima nekog efekta u ubrzanju celokupnog procesa

i nije se radilo od nule, to ljudi masovno zaboravljaju, takođe

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+ je, za razliku od SARS cjepiva čiji je razvoj zaustavljen jer je virus nestao pa nije bilo moguće testirati cjepivo (a jer se iz, jel', etičkih razloga na zapadu valjda još uvijek vakcine ne testiraju namjernim zaražavanjem, za šta za razne Kine ne bih baš stavio ruku u vatru), dok je, na sreću ili žalost radi divljanja COVID pandemije bilo dovoljno zaraženih koji su primili cjepivo /placebo pa se i ispitivanje vakcine moglo ubrzati, jednostavno je bilo (i više nego) dovoljno bolesnih. 

 Samo moje razmišljanje kao evo već 11-mjesečnog PPP virologa. 

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Plačem.
"Bogate zemlje razgrabile vakcine"
Bogate zemlje: "In Berlin, the first people should be vaccinated against the corona virus from December 26th. But according to Health Senator Dilek Kalayci, significantly fewer doses are initially being delivered than expected - they are only enough for 9,000 people"

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1 hour ago, kud u maglu Simoviću said:

da, ali su isto tako prvi put u modernoj istoriji sve te kompanije, svi virusolozi, infektolozi, farmakolozi i ostali olozi zajedno radili na samo jednom projektu. pa valjda i to ima nekog efekta u ubrzanju celokupnog procesa

Proces koji inace ne traje ispod 10 godina je ubrzan zbog pritiska svake vrste.
Njemacki Bajontek je poceo proizvodnju doza za vakcinaciju prije nego je zavrsena studija koja je pokazala da vakcina djeluje. A i studija je maksimalno zbrzana i na kraju se samo zna da veliki procenat vakcinisanih nije razvio simptome kovida, ali ne i da li je bio zarazen. Nije bilo vremena i kapaciteta da se ucesnici u studiji jos i svaki dan testiraju. Pojma nemaju kako vakcina djeluje na djecu. Iz VB javljaju da od ovih malo vakcinisanih, ljudi sa inace jakim alergijama imaju jake reakcije na vakcinu pa ih u EU vjerovatno nece vakcinisati. Koliko dugo ce trajati efekti vakcine se tek ne zna. Mozda tri nedelje, a mozda godinu dana.

Prekosutra EU izdaje privremenu dozvolu za upotrebu te Fajzer/Bajontek vakcine koja ce se nekon godinu dana ponovo preispitati.

Vrlo nepoznata macka u dzaku, ali to nam je sto nam je.

 

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6 minutes ago, Paul Gompitz said:

Proces koji inace ne traje ispod 10 godina je ubrzan zbog pritiska svake vrste.
Njemacki Bajontek je poceo proizvodnju doza za vakcinaciju prije nego je zavrsena studija koja je pokazala da vakcina djeluje. A i studija je maksimalno zbrzana i na kraju se samo zna da veliki procenat vakcinisanih nije razvio simptome kovida, ali ne i da li je bio zarazen. Nije bilo vremena i kapaciteta da se ucesnici u studiji jos i svaki dan testiraju. Pojma nemaju kako vakcina djeluje na djecu. Iz VB javljaju da od ovih malo vakcinisanih, ljudi sa inace jakim alergijama imaju jake reakcije na vakcinu pa ih u EU vjerovatno nece vakcinisati. Koliko dugo ce trajati efekti vakcine se tek ne zna. Mozda tri nedelje, a mozda godinu dana.

Prekosutra EU izdaje privremenu dozvolu za upotrebu te Fajzer/Bajontek vakcine koja ce se nekon godinu dana ponovo preispitati.

Vrlo nepoznata macka u dzaku, ali to nam je sto nam je.

 

ovo ne bi smeo biti slucaj, verujem da i dalje mere nivo antitela prvim ispitanicima koji su primili, a od tada ima mnogo vise od 3 nedelje. 

proces jeste ubrzan, ali bih rekla da je rizik i dalje visestruko prihvatljiviji od divljanja korone i posledica toga.

ono sto je dobro jeste da su podaci dostupni, tako da naucnici sa integritetom mogu da se pozabave njima. osim alergijskih reakcija (a videcemo koliko ce ih jos biti), za sada nista ne pali crvenu lampicu.  vidim da lekari kazu da je alergijska reakcija na svaku vakcinu ocekivana kod jednog broja korisnika, nadam se da ce to biti valjano ispraceno.

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14 hours ago, Tsai said:

mislim da postoji solidan broj ljudi koji nisu antivakseri vec se jednostavno plase toga sto je vakcina tako brzo odobrena. to cesto slusam u okruzenju, inace treba 3-4 godine i kako sad za par meseci itditd

upravo to..mada, sad sam u fazonu, reskirao bih, da mi ponude..rusku, Fajzer, koju god..

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2 hours ago, kud u maglu Simoviću said:

da, ali su isto tako prvi put u modernoj istoriji sve te kompanije, svi virusolozi, infektolozi, farmakolozi i ostali olozi zajedno radili na samo jednom projektu. pa valjda i to ima nekog efekta u ubrzanju celokupnog procesa

 

Kako ono beše, projektni menadžer je čovek koji misli da 9 žena može da rodi dete za mesec dana? 

 

Postoje stvari koje se mogu ubrzati dodavanjem resursa, postoje stvari koje ne mogu. Sigurno da je ova orkestracija do sada bez presedana, ali to ne znači da je sve baš odrađeno... po PS-u. Videćemo za par meseci/godina, a ja bih svakako primio jednu od RNK vakcina koje mi se kao laiku čine kao bolje rešenje u ovom momentu.

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18 minutes ago, Aleksija said:

ovo ne bi smeo biti slucaj, verujem da i dalje mere nivo antitela prvim ispitanicima koji su primili

U studiji Bajontekove vakcine nije pracen titar antitijela nego pojava simptoma kovida.

A pod jake alergijske reakcije se misli na anafilakticki sok i sl. 

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Following concern about the rapid spread of a new variant, Prof Whitty said: "We have alerted the World Health Organization and are continuing to analyse the available data to improve our understanding."

That came after advice from the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) - the expert committee that advises the government on pandemics.

"There is no current evidence to suggest the new strain causes a higher mortality rate or that it affects vaccines and treatments although urgent work is under way to confirm this," Prof Whitty added.

Chairman of Nervtag, Peter Horby, said they had not found the variant to be more severe but being easier to transmit meant it was harder to control.

Paul Hunter, professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia, said it was a big concern that the new variant seemed to be "out-competing the other viruses very fast indeed".

He told the BBC News Channel: "The really worrying thing from my perspective is that this was something we didn't know about at the beginning of this month and it appeared. And from what we hear, it is already becoming one of the dominant strains."

 

 

 

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Viruses do mutate - so this development should not come as a complete surprise.

There's already been thousands of different variants of this coronavirus seen globally.

There is nothing to suggest this one causes more serious illness or would impact the ability of the vaccines to work.

But preliminary investigation suggests it is leading to faster transmission, according to the UK's chief medical adviser. 

That's clearly causing concern, especially ahead of Christmas when relaxing restrictions means there is more opportunity for the virus to spread.

If the preliminary analysis is right it may well explain why infection rates started increasing in London during lockdown - something that has baffled experts.

But as yet there has been no detailed data published on this so it is hard to know how clear that evidence is.

What is certain, however, is that cases are rising in most quickly in the South East - and that is translating to more pressure on hospitals.

 

Sa BBC-ja za UK verziju.

 

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A sad i zvanicno otkazase Christmas za London i istok/jugoistok Engleske:

 

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"We cannot continue with Christmas as planned," Boris Johnson says.

People should not to travel into a tier four area, though support bubbles remain unaffected as do the exemptions for separated parents and their children.

For those in tiers one, two and three, rules allowing up to three households to meet will now be limited to Christmas Day only.

Christmas bubbles for those in tiers one to three will not be able include anyone in tier four.

In tier four, people should not mix with anyone outside their own household, apart from support bubbles.

 

I uveli novi, cetvrti, nivo restrikcija:

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London, the South East and East of England will enter a new tier four level of restrictions from tomorrow morning, the prime minister says.

These will be broadly equivalent to national restrictions which were introduced in England in November, Boris Johnson says.

Residents in those areas must stay at home, with limited exemptions. Non-essential retails and indoors gyms must close.

People should work from home when they can, and should not enter or leave tier four areas. Communal worship may continue.

The restrictions will last for two weeks and will be reviewed on 30 December.

 

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