Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[Lo Zingaro]

3 minutes ago, slepa živana said:

hvala na dobronamernim savetima, ali biće jako teško uz uvid u državnu politiku i ponašanje u okruženju u koje svako od nas ima uvid.

lično sam u dilemi da li da se bacim kroz prozor od muke i nemoći, ili da odem na posao i da počenem da ližem kvake.

nadam se da je lažna informacija. ja sam juče u očaju pitala jednu koleginicu čiji muž radi u policiji da li su oni preduzeli neke mere, pošto se kod mene u firmi apsolutno ništa nije preduzimalo... i rekla mi je da su još pre dve nedelje imali predavanje o virusu i preporuke za zaštitu kao i naredbu da svako ko ima bilo koji od simptoma, kašalj, temperaturu i sl. ne sme da dolazi na posao.

 

zanima me jedna stvar, ne znam da li se spominjalo u ovom moru informacija, da li se zna koliko traje bolest, koliko treba vremena da čovek preboli virus i da testiranje bude ponovo negativno.

Glede trajanja jedan od problema je sto ovde kazu da Bolest traje nsjmanje 3 sedmice.

 

edit bem ti mobilni 

Edited March 13, 2020 by lo zingaro

[ZerrorR]

2 minutes ago, lo zingaro said:

Glede trajanja jedan od problema je sto ovde kazu da Boleso traje nsjmanje 3 sedmice.

Kako onda onaj Hrvat vec izlecen?

[slepa živana]

Just now, lo zingaro said:

Glede trajanja jedan od problema je sto ovde kazu da traje nsjmanje 3 sedmice.

za obolele u kini se navode statistike za one koji su ozdravili, pa sam mislila da postoji egzaktan podatak.

 

uf, jedna pozitivna žena među izbeglicama na lezbosu

[mlatko]

Upravo se vratio iz kupovine. mozda 50% ljudi sa maskama ili maramamama na ustima, poneki smaknu na vrat a ostala trecina bez maski, retko ko u rukavicama.
čekao pola sata na ulazu supermarketa na razdaljini od 1 metra u redu, zalepljene trake po pločicama da nas podsete na distancu, zaduzeni za sigurnost regulise kada se ulazi i kako. Svugde unutra se treba pridrzavati sigurnosne distance od 1m, uzimaju se rukavice i furaj. Na rafovima svega prepuno, ne zatvara se cak ni za vikend kao sto je bilo najavljeno. Na kasama kontrolisana distanca i staloženost. Čak mi se sviđa više ovako, treba odvojiti vremena malo vise (a sad ga bar ima na pretek) ali nema guranja, vike i stresa ako sve ide polako. Jednostavno malo da se naučimo i kulturi.

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[3opge]

The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

Officials at the C.D.C. and epidemic experts conferred last month about what could happen in the U.S.

 

 

 

By Sheri Fink

• March 13, 2020Updated 8:59 a.m. ET
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Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

 

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the U.S. could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.

The assumptions fueling those scenarios are mitigated by the fact that cities, states, businesses and individuals are beginning to take steps to slow transmission, even if some are acting less aggressively than others. The C.D.C.-led effort is developing more sophisticated models showing how interventions might decrease the worst-case numbers, though their projections have not been made public.

 

“When people change their behavior," said Lauren Gardner, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering who models epidemics, “those model parameters are no longer applicable,” so short-term forecasts are likely to be more accurate. “There is a lot of room for improvement if we act appropriately.”

Those actions include testing for the virus, tracing contacts, and reducing human interactions by stopping mass gatherings, working from home and curbing travel. In just the last two days, multiple schools and colleges closed, sports events were halted or delayed, Broadway theaters went dark, companies barred employees from going to the office and more people said they were following hygiene recommendations.

 

The Times obtained screenshots of the C.D.C. presentation, which has not been released publicly, from someone not involved in the meetings. The Times then verified the data with several scientists who did participate. The scenarios were marked valid until Feb. 28, but remain “roughly the same,” according to Ira Longini, co-director of the Center for Statistics and Quantitative Infectious Diseases at the University of Florida. He has joined in meetings of the group.

 

 

[Aleksija]

Obustavljena nastava u školi "Ruđer Bošković", roditeljima stigla SMS poruka

http://rs.n1info.com/Vesti/a577588/Obustavljena-nastava-u-skoli-Rudjer-Boskovic-roditeljima-stigla-SMS-poruka.html

 

za to vreme

ŠARČEVIĆ ZA KURIR Sankcije za one iz Alasa i čačanske gimnazije jer su na svoju ruku zatvorili škole

po skolama uredno atmosfera smaka sveta, klinci ili potpuno poblesavaili ili uplaseni...

ja licno sam se spremila, jer nema nacina da ne fasujem... razmisljam kako cu sledeci put videti majku, srcanog bolesnika - nju bas nikako ne bih smela da izlozim bilo cemu.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Aleksija

[omiljeni]

Just now, ZerrorR said:

Kako onda onaj Hrvat vec izlecen?

pa zarazio se ~pre mesec dana

 

[Lo Zingaro]

Inace kucam stajuci u redu ispred supermarketa, red 100 m nema vise od 20 ljudi, svi drze razmak od 3/4/5 metara. Unutra mali broj, udje jedan kad izadje jedan. 

[borris_]

U francuskoj smo jos daleko (10 dana) od te discipline. Danas stampedo na supermarkete.

[Lo Zingaro]

Just now, borris_ said:

U francuskoj smo jos daleko (10 dana) od te discipline. Danas stampedo na supermarkete.

I ovde bi I dalje bilo isto da sami supermarketi ne organizuju red. 
Ziv nisam da li i dalje dostavljaju vongole. Ovisnik sam.

[InvisibleLight]

3 minutes ago, Aleksija said:

 

po skolama uredmo atmosfera smaka sveta, klinci ili potpuno poblesavaili ili uplaseni...

ja licno sam se spremila, jer nema nacina da ne fasujem... razmisljam kako cu sledeci put videti majku, srcanog bolesnika - nju bas nikako ne bih smela da izlozim bilo cemu.

:(

strasno

ovo sa kaznjavanjem je sarcevic brze bolje uradio da ne bi doslo do lancane reakcije

mislila sam da ce u toku par dana da svi slede njihov primer i da ce prosto skole prestati da rade i oni samo ozvaniciti u ponedeljak..

[Krošek]

ko kaze da ce to biti u ponedeljak?

[Aleksija]

2 minutes ago, InvisibleLight said:

:(

strasno

ovo sa kaznjavanjem je sarcevic brze bolje uradio da ne bi doslo do lancane reakcije

mislila sam da ce u toku par dana da svi slede njihov primer i da ce prosto skole prestati da rade i oni samo ozvaniciti u ponedeljak..

ma kakvi, misevi od direktora zakazuju sednice, roditeljske...

jos uvek ima onih koji misle da je isto kao grip... i tako.

 

btw, kad sam videla da je djilas trazio da se zatvore skole, znala sam da ih nece zatvoriti

+

ovo je dokaz potpunog priznavanja nepostojanja drzave, bukvalno ce pustiti virus da projuri. nije to samo kod nas, ali ce kod nas biti bez i najmanjeg otpora.

 

 

[Nikodije]

zatvorice skole pre ili kasnije, to je neminovno. samo cekaju najpogodniji trenutak, ne znam da li za sebe najpogodniji ili populaciju.

panika ce biti tolika da ce to morati da uvaze kao cinjenicu i da deluju prema tome, cak i nevezano za to da li ima ili nema objektivnog opravdanja.

[Ravanelli]

trump i bolsnaro još uvek nisu pokupili covid od onog reklamdžije :(