Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[Filozof manijak]

Jel ukidaju i travel restrictions, ili samo mere u svojoj prćiji?

[Have_Fun]

28 minutes ago, Dankan Ajdaho said:

 

Žele da zaraza prođe kroz sve koji se još nisu zarazili.

pa zarazice se i oni koju su se vec zarazili
a i oni koji imaju zdravstvenih problema kao i oni koji nemaju

i staro i mlado i klinci i musko i zensko i vakcinisani i ne vakcinisani

pa cemo da pravimo nove sojeve samo tako i da sirimo i njih

u krug u krug u krug u krug

ne razumem jebiga

[Dankan Ajdaho]

Mislim da smatraju da je oportuno da doslovno svako ima AT na koronu, te da svako sledeće zaražavanje bude sve lakše što se simptoma tiče, a usput da se nevidljivo počiste oni koji troše a ne privređuju (stari, bolesni...).

[gospa buba]

45 minutes ago, Dankan Ajdaho said:

Mislim da smatraju da je oportuno da doslovno svako ima AT na koronu, te da svako sledeće zaražavanje bude sve lakše što se simptoma tiče, a usput da se nevidljivo počiste oni koji troše a ne privređuju (stari, bolesni...).

pa sa tom idejom smo sushtinski i startovali pre dve godine, da se 'prochisti' narod malo. chudo bozije da je ovo femkanje trajalo ovoliko, znachi dosadilo kapitalizmu*** da glumi brigu za svaku zivu dushicu. sad shto neki nisu ochekivali da ce bash oni biti prochishceni, jebigica™ sad

 

*** idiotima medju nama je dosadilo odmah. shta sad, na kraju ce biti u pravu, pod uslovim da su preziveli. mozda samo pobili neke babe, ali shta sad. mora se

Edited February 10, 2022 by gospa buba

[Frank Pembleton]

Pričao sa prijateljicom koja radi u jednoj velikoj firmi i kaže mi:

Došao nam šef i rekao da više neće plaćati 100% za bolovanje od kovida nego ono što moraju 65%.
Takođe da smatra da otvaranje bolovanja "u smislu izolacije" ako su ti ukućani pozitivni i imaju simptome "nije u redu".
A i to ako je neko pozitivan, a nema simptome nema razloga da ne dolazi na posao, jer "svi ćemo biti pozitivni u jednom trenutku".
I naravno, sad dolaze ljudi koji su pozitivni, "al jbga mnogo skidaju za bolovanje"...

I tako...







... Shiit has hit the fan

[gospa buba]

vratili se na fabrichka podeshavanja. slinavi u busu, slinavi na poslu.

[Leia]

Pa dobro bre vise…..

https://www.curbed.com/2022/02/new-york-city-rat-covid-research

[Amos]

Nisam pratio neko vreme, osim ovih pacovskih kanala, pominje li se pojavljivanje nekog novog soja? Dokle smo stigli po grckom alfabetu?

[vememah]

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Prof. Christina Pagel
19h • 13 tweets • 3 min read

THREAD: I keep being asked when we can go "back to normal" or "like it was before". My personal thoughts:

We've added a new disease to our population, more infectious and more severe than flu.

The world pre 2020 no longer exists - we may want it to, but it just doesn't. 1/13 
Vaccines are amazing but do wane - esp vs sympomatic infection. Immunity from infection wanes too.

Surely Omicron has proven that high levels of antibodies in your population are no guarantee against v high levels of illness & disruption. 2/13 
We *could* act as we used to & accept millions of people getting sick once or twice a year. Yearly education, business disruption. And gradually, a slightly sicker pop'n. That seems to be the current plan in UK and e.g. US.

But that's NOT the *old normal* - it's worse 3/13 
We *can't* go back - but we *can* go forward *if* we accept we need some adaptations - driven by what we have *learned*.

Learning:

1. Outdoors is pretty safe - so let's invest research and funding into making indoor air as much like the outdoors as possible 4/13 
It's *not* easy, but it *is* possible - we did it with clean water, electricity infrastructure, CFCs, telephone and broadband...

The best thing about cleaner indoor air is it works against *any* airborne disease and also reduces e.g. allergies. 5/13 
2. Vaccinate the world as soon as possible - and keep working towards vaccines that are longer lasting and more variant proof.

3. Invest in global infrastructure to support surveillance of new variants of Covid *and* other new infectious diseases. There will be more. 6/13 
4. Add permanent surveillance of Covid infection rates in UK to existing programmes for flu, measles etc in public health

5. Invest in understanding & treating longer term clinical impacts of Covid, inc organ damage & Long Covid + treatments (eg antivirals) for acute phase. 7/13 
6. We need to urgently increase funding and staffing for NHS if it is expected to cope with regular Covid surges *and* existing backlogs *and* years of understaffing and not enough money.

This includes *supporting* existing staff to stay..! 8/13 
7. There *will* still be future surges. We need to have a plan to deal with these surges - as we do for other diseases.

A plan which is supported by the rapid outbreak identification & rapid understanding of virulence & transmission we've learned to do so well in the UK! 9/13 
The plan might include (temp) reintroduction of large scale testing (inc better tests?), high quality masks in indoor spaces and - *if & only if* there is a serious threat from e.g. a new variant (or disease!) - further measures, such as targeted test, trace & isolate.

10/13 
A plan should *not* mean long national lockdowns, which represent a failure of public health systems.

In fact, refusing to do the *learning* in "learning to live with Covid" is the biggest risk for such future lockdowns. 11/13 
8. We also need to invest massively in reducing inequalities: in health, in housing, in workplaces, in sick pay, in education - this will make us more resilient to future outbreaks and reduce ill health and death - from Covid & everything else!

Both nationally & globally 12/13 
Fundamentally, world is different now. Acting as if it isn't, which UK seems determined to do, may feel good in short term but will result in a new normal worse than the old one.

I prefer for us to build a new normal that's *better* than frequent sickness & disruption. 13/13 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1491891791490125825.html

Edited February 11, 2022 by vememah

[Caligula]

On 10.2.2022. at 16:33, gospa buba said:

pa sa tom idejom smo sushtinski i startovali pre dve godine, da se 'prochisti' narod malo.

 

 

 

... to je jasno kao dan, tim pre sto su avaksi i protivnici brnjice iskljucivo sa desnog spektra, ono, Zdravlje duha i tela sve resava, Imunitet od Boga a ne farmakoMMafije, pricescujmo se kasicicom, Trampa za predsednika i sve sto vec ide uz precutno ciscenje od starih, ubogih i imunokompromitovanih. Jes da su umirali i sporCki tipovi a neki metiljavi izneli virus na nogama ali ne govorimo ovde o logici no o ideoloskim preferencijama.

 

Nije moralo ovako uopste.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Caligula

[Dankan Ajdaho]

On 10.2.2022. at 17:10, Frank Pembleton said:

Pričao sa prijateljicom koja radi u jednoj velikoj firmi i kaže mi:

Došao nam šef i rekao da više neće plaćati 100% za bolovanje od kovida nego ono što moraju 65%.
Takođe da smatra da otvaranje bolovanja "u smislu izolacije" ako su ti ukućani pozitivni i imaju simptome "nije u redu".
A i to ako je neko pozitivan, a nema simptome nema razloga da ne dolazi na posao, jer "svi ćemo biti pozitivni u jednom trenutku".
I naravno, sad dolaze ljudi koji su pozitivni, "al jbga mnogo skidaju za bolovanje"...

I tako...







... Shiit has hit the fan
 

 

Pa nećemo valjda bacati klipove u točkove napretka???

[Module]

[vememah]

 

 

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Signals currently under monitoring and investigation
B.1.640
BA.3
Delta x Omicron Recombinant (UK)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-variants-of-public-health-interest/sars-cov-2-variants-of-public-health-interest-11-february-2022

[vememah]

  

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Next Covid strain could kill many more, warn scientists ahead of England restrictions ending
Demands grow for government science chiefs to reveal evidence backing move to lift last protective measures
A future variant of Covid-19 could be much more dangerous and cause far higher numbers of deaths and cases of serious illness than Omicron, leading UK scientists have warned.

As a result, many of them say that caution needs to be taken in lifting the last Covid restrictions in England, as Boris Johnson plans to do next week.

At the same time, demands are growing for Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance, the government’s most senior advisers on Covid, to hold a press conference to reveal what evidence there was to back the decision to end all pandemic restrictions.

The dangers posed by accepting the widespread assumption that Covid-19 variants would continue to get milder in their impact was highlighted by epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse, of Edinburgh University.

“The Omicron variant did not come from the Delta variant. It came from a completely different part of the virus’s family tree. And since we don’t know where in the virus’s family tree a new variant is going to come from, we cannot know how pathogenic it might be. It could be less pathogenic but it could, just as easily, be more pathogenic,” he said.

This point was backed by virologist Prof Lawrence Young of Warwick University. “People seem to think there has been a linear evolution of the virus from Alpha to Beta to Delta to Omicron,” he told the Observer. “But that is simply not the case. The idea that virus variants will continue to get milder is wrong. A new one could turn out to be even more pathogenic than the Delta variant, for example.”

David Nabarro, a special envoy on Covid-19 for the World Health Organization, also highlighted the uncertainty of how future variants might behave: “There will be more variants after Omicron and if they are more transmissible they will dominate. In addition, they may cause different patterns of illness, in other words they may turn out to be more lethal or have more long-term consequences.”

Nabarro urged authorities to continue to plan for the possibility that there will be surges in numbers of people who are ill and need hospital care. “It would be prudent to encourage people to protect themselves and others consistently. An approach that does not do this would be a gamble with potentially severe consequences. I cannot see any upsides to such a gamble. The pandemic has a long way to go and – as is the case since it started – people and their leaders will influence its long-term impact through actions they take now.”

The warnings came as charities and teachers called for England’s chief medical officer and chief scientific adviser to offer a public explanation of the plan, unveiled in parliament last week, to lift all Covid restrictions – including the requirement to isolate after testing positive – in England from Thursday 24 February.

The call comes as new figures suggest that people with blood cancer are now accounting for a higher proportion of Covid deaths than at any point in the pandemic. According to analysis by the Office for National Statistics, a total of 458 people with blood cancer in England and Wales died of Covid between October and December 2021 – one in 20 of those who died of Covid during that time. People with blood cancer have weakened immune systems and so are less likely to be protected by vaccines.

“The lack of any joined-up plan to support the immunocompromised suggests that they have not featured prominently in the government’s decision to lift the remaining Covid restrictions,” said Gemma Peters, chief executive of Blood Cancer UK. “We understand we cannot keep restrictions for ever, but given the potential negative impact for immunocompromised people, it is important that the government’s advisers set out the scientific basis.”

Fiona Loud, policy director of Kidney Care UK, urged the government to show commitment to the nation’s 500,000 immunosuppressed people by sharing their plans, and evidence for their decision-making: “Abandoning all measures without preventive treatments, free testing, and a duty not to expose immunosuppressed people to Covid-19 unnecessarily risks making us into second-class citizens.”

Robin Bevan, headteacher of Southend high school for boys, said last week’s announcement felt premature: “It would be much more reassuring – and also be much easier to explain to parents and to pupils – if there was a narrative rooted in science rather than a narrative rooted in libertarian aspiration.”

Ceinwen Giles, who has reduced immunity after cancer treatment, said Johnson’s announcement left her feeling excluded. “There seems to be the perception that somehow immunocompromised people are very old and very sick and it doesn’t really matter. If you are old and sick, you still matter. This just means we’re being shut out.”

A government spokesperson said: “Those considered clinically extremely vulnerable are advised to follow the same guidance as the general public, but consider taking extra precautions to reduce their chance of catching Covid-19. Vaccines are the best way we can protect ourselves from the virus.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/12/scientists-plead-caution-covid-restrictions-lifted-england?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Have_Fun]

A isto tako ima i tekstova da će sledeće varijante biti sve slabije

 

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