Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[vememah]

 

Zaokružene su zemlje u kojima se trenutno najviše umire - između 10 i 20 umrlih dnevno na milion stanovnika gledano po proseku u zadnjih nedelju dana (naravno i Srbija bi svakako bila među njima, možda i gora, da ne lažira podatke):

 

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Edited February 6, 2022 by vememah

[Sandradjer]

Mozda kod nas i u regionu uveliko tutnji BA.2? 

Jesu li zaokruzene evropske zemlje ukljucujuci i nas zaista najslabije vakcinisane?

[vememah]

Zadnje vreme došlo kad jedan Torigraf kaže da se omikron ne sme potceniti i da je po posledicama uporediv s originalnim vuhanskim sojem.

 

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Israel's rise in Covid deaths: why it's happening, and the lessons for the UK

There are several reasons for omicron's effect on one of the world's most highly vaccinated countries

Israel is a vaccine star of the pandemic. It rolled out its initial jabs with great speed this time last year amid the deadly alpha wave. It saw off delta in the summer by pioneering booster shots. And, as omicron hit, it made fourth doses available to medics and the elderly.

But late last week charts started to do the rounds on social media, showing Israel’s deaths apparently soaring.

“Israel is among the most highly vaccinated and boosted countries on the planet. [Yet] they are breaking daily records for Covid deaths”, tweeted Aaron Kheriaty, a professor of psychiatry who was recently fired by the University of California for refusing to abide by its vaccine mandate.

“Our public health establishment needs to explain this….  because people are dying”.

We are all jittery having suffered the strictures of SARS-CoV-2 for almost two years now, so the ex-professor’s tweet and others like it grabbed some attention. It plays to anti-vaxxers and the biases of those - like Dr Kheriaty - who continue to erroneously insist that “natural immunity is our only way out of this pandemic.”

Things have not been helped by a data glitch. On Friday the Israeli ministry of health issued an alert warning that the data being displayed on global dashboards was giving a “false picture of reality” regarding the daily number of deaths in Israel.

Yet, even once this is accounted for, deaths in Israel have climbed sharply over the last month. Using the Ministry of Health’s own data, deaths per million currently stand at about five a day in Israel, up from next to nothing at the start of January and approaching the record rate of 6.98 per million the country recorded at the peak of the alpha wave.

So what is happening? Why should a country that is so well vaccinated still be suffering like this?

According to experts, there are a number of answers. First, although Israel’s headline vaccination rate once sat at the top of all vaccine charts, it has gradually slipped down a middling position.

But more importantly, perhaps, vaccination rates among the vulnerable are not as good as they might be. While in the UK nearly all the most vulnerable are fully vaccinated, in Israel 10 per cent or more of the over 60s remain unprotected.

Another issue is that - like here - the omicron wave has been dramatic. “Israel has basically let Omicron rip, eschewing almost all the layers of protections we had including PCR testing, quarantine for contacts of infected etc”, one local expert told the Telegraph..

Barak Raveh, an assistant professor of biological modelling at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the number of those unvaccinated and the omnipotence of omicron only provided a “partial explanation”. The waning of initial vaccinations also helped explain why, of 822 deaths recorded since the start of the year, only 293 were unvaccinated.

“I do not mean to suggest the vaccine is ineffective at all - it is still 90 per cent effective if we normalize by population size. But what I think happened is some attrition in the effect of August’s booster shots”, said Dr Raveh.

Israel was the first to provide them back in August, and their effect may have waned considerably. It was believed at first that this affected only infection rates, but apparently, it also caused more cases of severe disease.

The uptake of the fourth vaccine dose to combat this waning has also been poor.

“Israel was the first country to authorize a fourth dose back in early January to both medical staff and the elderly, but only half of those eligible took it, in part because early reports about its effectiveness were mixed,” said Dr Raveh.

In fact, a fourth dose turns out to be incredibly effective. Recent real-world data from Israel shows it leads to a 4.3-fold decrease in severe disease in the over 60s, compared to a third dose given more than four months earlier.

“Giving the fourth dose to individuals who were at risk of developing severe disease has been instrumental in limiting the burden on hospitals in Israel during the fast and wide-spreading Omicron surge”, said the study’s authors.

We are not out of the woods yet

So what lesson can the UK take from Israel’s omicron wave? And what might it tell us about the pandemic going forward?

One clear message must be to keep vaccine-induced immunity topped up. For the moment at least, it is vaccines that are keeping us safe. Omicron may not be as dangerous as the alpha or delta variants but it remains on a par with the Wuhan original.

“I think as a country, we may have been a bit too relaxed in terms of letting Omicron cases soar under the conception that it is a relatively mild disease”, Dr Raveh told the Telegraph.

“Even if the disease is milder in some instances, we ended up with crowded hospitals amidst an intense flu season and suffered a larger than expected number of severe cases and deaths”.

For the moment, we must keep our guard up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/israels-rise-covid-deaths-important-lesson-uk-vaccines/

 

 

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https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?utm_source=go.gov.il&utm_medium=referral

 

Primljene doze:

1 - 73% stanovništva

2 - 66% stanovništva

3 - 48% stanovništva

4 - 7% stanovništva

Edited February 6, 2022 by vememah

[vememah]

 

[Have_Fun]

I šta sad znači ovo?

Ljudi umiru brže iako više znamo o virusu i vakcinišemo se?

 

Je l' gasimo svetlo?

[gone fishing]

ne prošle zime je u ovo vreme tamo bilo 9 miliona aktivnih slučajeva, ove 29 vakcina je odradila posao momački

[Have_Fun]

Sad bacih oko na worldometers i vidim lep pad u broj dnevno zarazenih.

Cak po 1M+manje nego pre, juce je bilo 1.8M zarazenih u svetu, pre 2 dana oko 2M, dok smo ranije isli na 3M+.

Vidim i lep pad u nekim drzavama, UK na 60K i ispod 60K, Spanija 40K, Italija 40K, a te drzave su isle preko 100K dnevno zarazenih.

Je l' ovo neko upalio svetlo na kraju tunela? Ili da se ne nadamo jos?

[mlatko]

Ja oko sebe vidim rastući broj simptomatičnih a negativnih, već je skoro svako u dodiru sa virusom pa bi trebalo da je to to. Bar što se tiče vakcinisanih

[gone fishing]

39 minutes ago, Have_Fun said:

Sad bacih oko na worldometers i vidim lep pad u broj dnevno zarazenih.

Cak po 1M+manje nego pre, juce je bilo 1.8M zarazenih u svetu, pre 2 dana oko 2M, dok smo ranije isli na 3M+.

Vidim i lep pad u nekim drzavama, UK na 60K i ispod 60K, Spanija 40K, Italija 40K, a te drzave su isle preko 100K dnevno zarazenih.

Je l' ovo neko upalio svetlo na kraju tunela? Ili da se ne nadamo jos?

to su vikend brojevi, u petak je bilo 3 milke novookuženih, prave brojke ćemo videti danas, no svakako je trend opadanja jasan

[vememah]

[Have_Fun]

je l' UK zaista ukida mere samoizolacije za zarazene? 
koja im je tacno logika da urade to?

[Taurean_rulez]

On 31.1.2022. at 17:22, Have_Fun said:

Ma kontam i ja to

Nego je ovaj topic uzasan rolerkoster

dobro-lose, spasili smo se - najebasmo
moze imunitet - ne moze, ne radi

itd itd, pa pizdim.. aj da probamo da spojimo 2 stranice dobrih vesti na ovom topicu

Ajde :). 

 

Verovali ili ne - moja psorijaza je iščezla posle prve doze Fajzera. Sada postoji samo kao jedva nešto različita "mlada" koža (palmoplantarna pustulozna psorijaza). 

 

Imala bih X objašnjenja zašto, ali realno - ne znam :). Neki mesec pre Fajzera sam vakcinisana protiv gripa i ništa. 

 

Uredno prijavljeno Fajzeru, ne rekoše ništa... 

[Dankan Ajdaho]

19 hours ago, Have_Fun said:

je l' UK zaista ukida mere samoizolacije za zarazene? 
koja im je tacno logika da urade to?

 

Žele da zaraza prođe kroz sve koji se još nisu zarazili.

[Ros]

i nemacka se sprema da ukine mere u martu. vec su u bavarskoj najavili da ce da odustanu od obavezne vakcinacije planirane za mart

[I*m with the pilots]

Puštamo da baš ni jedno dete ne zaobiđe.