Pokojni Ruxin Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Naravno da je izdato kad je brat mosara sudio regularno po pravilima, šta će drugo da kažu?
Pokojni Ruxin Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 A vredi ga i preneti. Sve je prilično jasno ako duboko udahnete i pročitate bez histerisanja i zaverisanja. A PGMOL spokesman said: "Jon Moss was in a good position to see that a Liverpool player deliberately played the ball before it fell to Harry Kane in the penalty area. He then correctly judged that Kane was fouled by Lorius Karius. "However, given the speed of the attack, he was uncertain of the identity of the Liverpool player who kicked the ball. Eddie Smart, having identified that Kane was in an offside position, correctly sought clarification on whether Dejan Lovren had deliberately played the ball. "His question created some momentary confusion when Eddie asked if 'Lovren' had touched the ball. Moss knew a Liverpool player had touched the ball but not that it was Lovren. "He then asked a question to his fourth official Martin Atkinson and acknowledges that referencing 'TV' was misguided. Atkinson did not reply to the question and so had no involvement in the decision."Having properly reflected on the questions asked, Jon knew that a Liverpool player, now identified as Lovren, had played the ball and that no offside offence had occurred. He then awarded the penalty. "For the avoidance of doubt, Atkinson did not view a television monitor and did not relay any information to the on-field officials. "In real time this was a difficult series of decisions, which the match officials judged correctly in recognising that Kane was not offside, as Lovren had deliberately played the ball, and he was fouled for the award of the penalty kick. "The interpretation of 'deliberately' kicking a ball considers whether a player has intentionally tried to kick a ball - it does not consider whether the ball ends up where a player may have wanted to kick it."
cvrlle Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 jel je neko ocekivao da ce FA drugacije da postupi? jel je neko ocekiva da ce brat raca drugacije da se postavi? sve je to vec vidjeno. sto arle rece, zivot ide dalje...
levi Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 oh kakva melo/drama zbog penala koji je na kraju promašen šta bi bilo tek da je neko zapravo oštećen
Weenie Pooh Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, Ruxin said: Nemam pojma kako nije jasno da po pravilima kejn nije uticao na lovrena. A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or interfering with an opponent by: preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball or gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has: rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent been deliberately saved by any opponent Šta je od toga radio kejn? Nisam ja ništa istripovao neko su takva pravila. Pokušaj presecanja ne postoji kao kategorija u pravilima. Postoje save, deflection i deliberately playing the ball. Kad igrač pokuša da ispuca loptu ali je loše zahvati to je definitivno bliže deliberate igranju nego što je deflection ili save, makar po meni i mossu. Kejn je radio ono opisano pod prvom tačkom: playing the ball passed by a team-mate. Savršeno je nebitno da li je taj pas iko pokušao da preseče - ako dodavanje stigne do napadača u ofsajdu, on se aktivira (gains advantage). Dakle, pokušaj presecanja ne postoji kao kategorija jer je potpuno irelevantan. Ofsajd se gleda u trenutku dodavanja, igrač ili jeste ili nije u ofsajd poziciji, kako god lopta došla do njega maše se čim je on dodatkne. Ako ti je baš bitno da definišeš interception, lepo ti je opisano šta znači "when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball". Distinkcija između toga i deliberate play ne može biti jasnija. Deliberately playing the ball je ono što je radio Bruno Alveš kad je asistirao Runiju, ili Austrijanac Savićeviću. Tu je opisana situacija u kojoj dodavanja nema, pa tako ni pokušaja presecanja - lopta je kod braniča, on deliberately plays it, napadač se aktivira iz ofsajda ali mu se to ipak ne svira. Takva situacija je morala da se zvanično definiše kako nekom retardu ne bi palo na pamet da maše zbog "apsolutnog ofsajda". Pomoćni je debil, a FA bi debelog Mosa podržala i da je sam izveo penal umesto Kejna.
Weenie Pooh Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, porucnik vasic said: Nije Vermez, ali sećam se kako je na nekom derbiju bio poništen gol Partizanu - centaršut krenuo, Mitko Stojkovski uklizao da ga preseče u istoj milisekundi ali nije uspeo, lopta ipak stigla do valjda Bjekovića kom je i bila namenjena, ali je on bio u ofsajdu pa su mu mahali. I tada se drečalo "kakav ofsajd, nije ofsajd, vidiš da je Stojkovski poslednji igrao!" što je naravno bilo potpuno neosnovano. Ova newish frazeologija iz 2014. koju Ruxin mahnito citira ne menja apsolutno ništa - samo definiše da se ofsajd ne svira u slučaju da branič deliberately plays the ball, dakle kao Bruno Alvesh ili Noname Austrijanac, a ne kao Lovren ili Stojkovski.
Pokojni Ruxin Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Nisi u pravu, ali ne želim dalje da se bavim temom. Slažem se sa saopštenjem pgmol-a u kojem je sve objašnjeno, nek ostane na tome.
Pokojni Ruxin Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Pa da, mene plusjedanuju sudijske organzicaje ovog sveta a tebe uvek objektivni poručnik i copi, jasna pobeda
ArleKino Posted February 5, 2018 Author Posted February 5, 2018 Naravno, PGMO podržavaš i kad tolerišu masakriranje Cityjevih vedeta.
Прслин Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Јао, сврставање у таборе! Моје омиљено! Ја сам са Руксином у овоме. Шта ћу када сам као десничар пре свега легалиста. Поручниче, бегај из тог друштва распиштољених анархиста што не поштују правила.
Weenie Pooh Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) Pa da, najbitnije je ko se sa kim slaže i ko je koliko plusića skupio, ne na čijoj su strani činjenice i zdrav razum Moss, Smart, i Ruxin nude debilnu interpretaciju pravila kakvu niko od nas još nigde nije video. Po toj interpretaciji, kad god bek pokuša da izblokira centaršut i lopta ga samo malo očeše, to je "deliberately playing the ball" i ofsajda ne može biti - namerno je krenuo u blok. Ili kod slobodnjaka, ako lopta zakači živi zid (koji namerno skače) i posle padne na nogu napadaču, isto ofsajd ne postoji. Čista budalaština koju nikad niko nije pokušao da implementira, a verovatno nikad i neće. Ja vam kao alternativu nudim jedinu smislenu interpretaciju koja je pomoćnom sudiji nekako uspela da promakne: "Deliberately playing the ball" je slučaj kad je lopta u posedu odbrambenog igrača - kad je on odigra a napadač se aktivira, tada se ofsajd ne svira. Jeste u pitanju department of redundancy department, ali kao što vidimo neke stvari je sudijama baš neophodno crtati. Edited February 5, 2018 by Weenie Pooh
Pokojni Ruxin Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 jepse vini, sad moram da pišem ponovo jer si totalno pogrešno predstavio moju poziciju. Kad očeše nije ofsajd po miliiniti put! To je deflection. Eno ti pgmolci jasno definisali deliberate u poslednjem pasusu. "The interpretation of 'deliberately' kicking a ball considers whether a player has intentionally tried to kick a ball - it does not consider whether the ball ends up where a player may have wanted to kick it." jel lovro pokušao sa namerom da šutne loptu (pa je promašio i odbio do kejna)? Naravno da jebeno jeste, pogledajte snimak.
Recommended Posts