Trump - hoće li biti impeachment ili 8 godina drugačijeg predsednikovanja?

[Roger Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/rcbl/status/832748755174567937

[Budja]

Ma samo je zanimljivo da nekoga vise zulja "lenjo novinarstvo" nego to sto imamo uspon autokrata u najmocnijim drzavama. Spinovanje klasicno.

 

Uspon autokrata nije deus ex machina.

 

Da bi se protiv autokrata efikasno borilo, potrebno je razumeti uzrok uspona autokrata.

 

 

Hint: Nije Putin. Nije Asanz.

[Eraserhead]

Uspon autokrata nije deus ex machina.

 

Da bi se protiv autokrata efikasno borilo, potrebno je razumeti uzrok uspona autokrata.

 

 

Hint: Nije Putin. Nije Asanz.

Nije ni "nekreativnost" medija koje glasaci autokrata ni ne prate.

[Budja]

Pa nije Budja glup pa da direktno podrzava Trampa, Putina ili slicne. On to samo cini sistematskom i iskljucivom kritikom zapadnih institucija koliko god trule da su.

I to je naravno legitimno ali na nivou korisnih idiota posto je jasno sta su rezultati tog desnicarsko-populistickog rezona. Uostalom, vecini direktnih ili indirektnih podrzavalaca se to ionako vraca kao bumerang. Vec vidjeno - treba samo podsetiti. 

 

Ovaj, kritika Putina ti ne kaze apsolutno nista o usponu Trampa, Erdogana, Orbana ili Brexit-u.

I dok god se bude pisalo o Putinu kao izgovoru za uspon autokratije, to samo jos vise znaci da je sistem i "elite" na zapadu u zescim govnima.

 

Nije SSSR srusio Regan, vec los socijalisticki sistem. Tako ni Trampa ni Brexit nije stvorio Putin, ma koliko Anduril, WP, NYT, Moore, Guardian, Clegg i ostali pricali suprotno.

[Budja]

Nije ni "nekreativnost" medija koje glasaci autokrata ni ne prate.

 

A nisi pomislio da odgovoris na pitanje zasto ih ne prate, i zasto im ne veruju?

[Eraserhead]

A nisi pomislio da odgovoris na pitanje zasto ih ne prate, i zasto im ne veruju?

Zato sto su na drugacijim ideoloskim pozicijama. Prate FOX a FOX je raspredao godinama o Obaminim genima i veri. Pa su onda dobili Tea party. Pa smo onda dobili kakofoniju socijalnih mreza gde imamo idiotizaciju informacija i na kraju smo dobili americke talibane u vidu Trampovog pokreta. Slocan fenomen kao protivnici vakcinisanja. Komplikovanijeje to od MSM price koja se forsira.

[Budja]

Zato sto su na drugacijim ideoloskim pozicijama. Prate FOX a FOX je raspredao godinama o Obaminim genima i veri. Pa su onda dobili Tea party. Pa smo onda dobili kakofoniju socijalnih mreza gde imamo idiotizaciju informacija i na kraju smo dobili americke talibane u vidu Trampovog pokreta. Slocan fenomen kao protivnici vakcinisanja. Komplikovanijeje to od MSM price koja se forsira.

 

Ma, taj internet, treba ga ukinuti.

 

Eh, nema vise, staaarog USA gde se znalo ko  kosi a ko vodu nosi.

 

 

Zaboravih, glasaci Trampa su krezubi i nepismeni.

[Eraserhead]

Ma, taj internet, treba ga ukinuti.

 

Eh, nema vise, staaarog USA gde se znalo ko kosi a ko vodu nosi.

 

 

Zaboravih, glasaci Trampa su krezubi i nepismeni.

Stavljas mi reki u usta a ne vidim da bilo sta od ovoga sto sam napisao osporavas.

[Budja]

Zato sto su na drugacijim ideoloskim pozicijama. Prate FOX a FOX je raspredao godinama o Obaminim genima i veri. Pa su onda dobili Tea party. Pa smo onda dobili kakofoniju socijalnih mreza gde imamo idiotizaciju informacija i na kraju smo dobili americke talibane u vidu Trampovog pokreta. Slocan fenomen kao protivnici vakcinisanja. Komplikovanijeje to od MSM price koja se forsira.

 

 

Stavljas mi reki u usta a ne vidim da bilo sta od ovoga sto sam napisao osporavas.

 

Ne, uopste nisi rekao da su Trampovci deplorables.

[Eraserhead]

Ne, uopste nisi rekao da su Trampovci deplorables.

Pa to sto sam napisao je tacno e sad da li su deplorables je pitanje licnog odnosa. Da ne kazem politicke korektnosti. Za mene nisu svi ali mnogi koje karakterise rasizam, homofobija, americki nacionalizam i slicno jesu. Taman koliko i glasaci SRSa.

Edited February 20, 2017 by Eraserhead

[Anduril]

Ovaj, kritika Putina ti ne kaze apsolutno nista o usponu Trampa, Erdogana, Orbana ili Brexit-u.

I dok god se bude pisalo o Putinu kao izgovoru za uspon autokratije, to samo jos vise znaci da je sistem i "elite" na zapadu u zescim govnima.

Nije SSSR srusio Regan, vec los socijalisticki sistem. Tako ni Trampa ni Brexit nije stvorio Putin, ma koliko Anduril, WP, NYT, Moore, Guardian, Clegg i ostali pricali suprotno.

 

Opet tvoja 0 : 1 logika. Nisi pomislio da i Putinov model nacionalisticke drzave i kriza neoliberalnog sistema igraju vaznu ulogu? Naravno da nisi - za tebe postoji samo jedan krivac. 

[Anduril]

Poprilicno sam siguran da Budjina rec nije te snage da srusi Zapad a jos manje da bumerang tog razmisljanja srusi Srbiju ili koga li vec.

 

Aman. Dosta je ovih pausalnih optuzbi, rasplinjivanja price i spinovanja.

 

Nema problema. Btw. pricao sam o rezonu a Budja je samo primer. A ja bih rekao da nas je desnicarski populizam itekako srusio od osamdesetih. I tada ljudima nije valjao sistem i establisment dok se alternativama nisu previse bavili.

[ObiW]

Ne, uopste nisi rekao da su Trampovci deplorables.

Cekaj, na topicima o srpskoj politici je ok spekulisati o tome da su hardcore Vucicevi glasaci jajare koje su tu samo zbog sinekure i sendvica (za razliku od Tominih, koji su pak imaju neki ideoloski prefiks kao nacionalizam, anti-NATO, pro-Rusija, itd), a na topku o Americi nije ok spekulisati da su hardcore Trump glasaci deplorables (za razliku od konzervativnih republikanaca koji ipak imaju neki ideoloski prefiks, kao anti-abortion, pro-NATO, anti-Rusija, itd)?

 

Zasto Vucicevi glasaci, kao podskup glasaca SNS, ne zasluzuju isti tretman kao Trumpovi glasaci, kao podskup glasaca republikanske stranke?

Edited February 20, 2017 by ObiW

[ObiW]

Da se vratimo na temu...
 

Trump's Repeal of Bipartisan Anti-Corruption Measure Proves He's a Fake

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trumps-repeal-of-anti-corruption-measure-proves-hes-a-fake-w467240

 

[...] Months later, with the self-proclaimed "existential threat" to special interests in office, the "establishment" has it better than ever. Not only has the money-over-principle dynamic not changed inside the Beltway, it's ascendant. Under "outsider" rule, Washington has never been more Washington-y.

 

Tuesday, for instance, Trump signed a repeal of a bipartisan provision of the Dodd-Frank bill known as the Cardin-Lugar Amendment. The absurd history of this doomed provision stands as a perfect microcosm of how Washington works, or doesn't work, as it were.

 

The election of a billionaire president who killed the anti-corruption measure off is only the brutal coup de grace. The rule was stalled for the better part of six years by a relentless and exhausting parade of lobbyists, lawyers and other assorted Beltway malingerers. It then lived out of the womb for a few sad months before Trump smothered it this week.

 

Section 1504 of the Dodd-Frank Act was created by Maryland Democrat Ben Cardin and then Indiana Sen. Richard Lugar. Passed in 2010, the rule was simple: It required oil, gas and mining companies to disclose any payments above $100,000 made to foreign governments.

 

The law was designed to prevent energy companies from bribing foreign dictators. The simple goal was to ensure that the wealth of resource-rich countries would be enjoyed by their citizens, and not converted into obscene personal collections of yachts, mansions, sports cars and Michael Jackson memorabilia – as, for instance, it was when oil was discovered in Equatorial Guinea, and the brutal dictator Teodoro Obiang started doing business with Rex Tillerson's ExxonMobil.

 

The provision originally passed in the summer of 2010 and became law when Dodd-Frank was signed later that year. But it didn't go into effect right away. As hotshot Wall Street lobbyist Scott Talbott of the Financial Services Roundtable cracked, "When [Obama] signed the financial reform law, that was halftime."

[...]

Industry whined that the rule would prohibit deals in countries where local laws prohibited disclosure of such payments, and that it would force firms to "sell their assets … at fire sale prices." The basic idea was that international capitalism would grind to a halt if they had to make public which dictator's yachts they were buying, and for how much.

[...]

On the road to trying to kill a law outright, lobbyists usually try to weigh it down first by adding exceptions and verbiage. Ironically, this ends up driving the industry's own compliance costs higher in the meantime, but it's worth it, as it stalls the process.

 

Another irony here is that the public perception that nothing ever gets done in Washington is driven by this very dynamic. The public becomes impatient for action when every tiny provision of every bill gets bogged down as fat-cat lawyers fight for years on end over the definition of words like "compilation" and "project."

 

This is the ultimate in overpaid busywork for the overeducated. The ongoing bureaucratization of the legislative process is really just a high-priced welfare program for corporate lawyers.

[...]

And while lawyers make fortunes pushing commas around and adding mountains of words to already overwritten laws, ex-middle-class workers in places outside of the Beltway keep finding their slice of the pie smaller and smaller.

 

This leads to frustration with Washington inaction. And as we've seen, this leads to political support for big talkers like Trump who promise, hilariously, to cut through the red tape and "get things done."

[...]

After six grueling years being pushed uphill, in a process that cost God knows how much in billable hours, the (Cardin-Lugar) rule was scuttled in Congress and sent to Trump's desk to be wiped out in a matter of weeks.

 

Ask Trump supporters about this episode, and many would say they won't weep for the loss of any government regulation.

 

But they should ask themselves if, when they were whooping and hollering for the man who promised to end special interest and lobbyist rules in Washington, they imagined the ExxonMobil chief in charge of the State Department cheering as the new president wiped out anti-bribery laws. The "establishment" sure is on the run, isn't it? 

Edited February 20, 2017 by ObiW

[Anduril]

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