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[Budja]

A da zaboravio sam. CIA koja ne ume Trampa da spreci ali zato na drugom kraju planete pretvara milione rusofila u rusofobe. Ne znam sta cemo sad kad opet neka u putina zapjubljena budala zglajzne.

 

Zapravo, to je vrlo moguce.

 

CIA je decenijama trenirana da se bakce sa Rusima i Aljendeom a ne sa Tramparom i BinLadenom-ISISom, recimo.

[MNE]

Jesmo li sigurni u ovo, ili je onaj koji jede kravatu pogresno protumacio signale, i tako zapravo, zajebao Busa i ostavio ga na vetrometini?

tu nisam siguran šta je bilo u pitanju, obzirom da je sakašvili prilično aktivan u Ukrajini zadnjih par godina, čak je bio i guverner Odese (lol) tako da ima neku svoju ličnu nepodnošljivost prema Rusiji i Rusima...što se Gruzije tiče Buš je jedino mogao da vuče budalu za rukav da ne napravi sranje mada Buš je budala sam po sebi tako da mislim da se nije previše cimao oko toga

[hazard]

Jesmo li sigurni u ovo, ili je onaj koji jede kravatu pogresno protumacio signale, i tako zapravo, zajebao Busa i ostavio ga na vetrometini?

 

Who knows, mozda je i tako. Meni je oduvek bio utisak da su tu Ameri koristili Gruzine kao korisne budale da vide dokle mogu da dzarkaju Rusiju, i kada je stvar eskalirala, ostavili su ih na vetrometini. A Busova ekipa je mogla sebi da dozvoli da bude malo neobuzdanija u poslednjoj godini mandata.

Edited January 8, 2017 by hazard

[MNE]

a možda im je jednostavno trebala distrakcija od globalne ekonomske krize za koju su oni ponajviše krivi

[Eraserhead]

Zapravo, to je vrlo moguce.

 

CIA je decenijama trenirana da se bakce sa Rusima i Aljendeom a ne sa Tramparom i BinLadenom-ISISom, recimo.

Ne zezaj.

[boshoku]

pa to da se bavi rusima, ne može se sporiti

[Weenie Pooh]

Izdaja, braćo i sestre! Ruska izdaja, sveprisutna i ekstremna!

 

 

Vredi istaći da se u tekstu nigde ne pominje nikakva izdaja, ali dežurnog naslovnika je nešto ipak inspirisalo.

 

Komentari na tekst još nisu dozvoljeni, biće "kasnije". Jel' im to standardna praksa ili neki novi momenti?

[Weenie Pooh]

Doduše, jeste malo zaobilazno optužio (vaskoliku) levicu da gura ruski imperijalizam. Ali kaže, nije da su licemerni i zlobni Jeremy Corbyn i Jill Stein, prosto su glupe Putinove marionete:

 

In these circumstances, the support of the Labour leadership, Stop the War and the American Green party for Russian imperialism is incredible. Perhaps we should stop condemning the hypocrisy and malice of the far left and conclude it is just astonishingly stupid. The simplest explanations are often the best, after all.

[boshoku]

u daily fail-.u prestali da terete ruse - njihovo iber-konzervativno čitalaštvo, ipak mnogo voli "snažnog lidera koj tuče isis"

[3opge]

vec vidim trumpa kako pristavlja samovar da sa volodjom uz caj prodiskutuje Nastasju Filipovnu i Velikog Inkvizitora

[dragance]

Ja sam prekjuče pročitao da je American Intelligence agencies receive tip off from their British counterparts on Russian hacking - tad mi je sve bilo jasno da je u stvari ovo isti onaj momenat kao Colin Powell u UNSC sa epruvetom.

[Eraserhead]

Vicente Fox Quesada (bivsi predsednik Meksika): Sr Trump,the intelligence report is devastating.Losing election by more than 3M votes and in addition this.Are you a legitimate president?

 

Troluje psihopatu vec par dana.

Veliki car.

[iDemo]

pa prvi je idiot a drugi zabavni, beskorisni majmuncic, trump je mozda lukaviji, videcemo.

:)

[Anduril]

A Bus je "resetovao" tako sto je pogurao Sakasvilija u rat sa Rusijom.

 

Ajmo da se ne zajebavamo. Svi ti "reseti" su izgledali tako sto se kao odnosi resetuju, a onda Amerika posle par godina uradi nesto u ruskom dvoristu sto Rusiju ekstremno iznervira i dodje odgovarajuca reakcija a onda Ameri & njihove pudle kukaju kako je Putin zao.

 

Sto znaci da su ili

 

1) Ameri kvarni, pa "reset" koriste da Ruse uhvate na foru kada ovi to ne ocekuju, u kom slucaju je Putin taj who got played oba puta a ne Bus ili Obama;

2) Ameri glupi, pa misle da "reset" znaci "ok sada ce Rusi da se slazu potpuno sa nasom vizijom sveta i da budu skroz kul sa nasom idejom da doteramo NATO skroz uz njihovu granicu".

 

U oba slucaja jedno 90% krivice za lose zapadno-ruske odnose lezi na Zapadu, prevashodno na Vasingtonu, koji zapravo nikada skroz nije napustio hladnoratovski pristup prema Rusiji. Ako Tramp kaze "zabole me djoka za bivsi SSSR ukljucujuci Gruziju i Ukrajinu" i tako se bude ponasao, lako ce se on i Putin slagati.

To, Putin je isproviciran fasistima u Kijevu koje je dokazano finasirala CIA. Bice vreme da se dogovori sa Trampom o zonama uticaja kao sto se to radilo mudro nekada, a ako bude srece, bice i Srbije u njoj.

Sta ove male gubernije tipa Ukrajina imaju da se bune. Tako Tramp treba i sa Kanadom kao sada sa Meksikom, a onda da im postavi predsednike/premijere tipa Janukovic i deal koji ne mogu odbiti. Ako se bune, zna se - isprovocirana aneksija Alberte.

[Lord Protector]

  Can Trump and Putin Avert Cold War II?

    

  January 2, 2017 at 9:43 pm

By Patrick J. Buchanan

 

In retaliation for the hacking of John Podesta and the DNC, Barack Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats and ordered closure of their country houses on Long Island and Maryland’s Eastern shore.

 

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned that 35 U.S. diplomats would be expelled. But Vladimir Putin stepped in, declined to retaliate at all, and invited the U.S. diplomats in Moscow and their children to the Christmas and New Year’s party at the Kremlin.

 

“A soft answer turneth away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger,” reads Proverbs 15:1. “Great move,” tweeted President-elect Trump, “I always knew he was very smart!”

 

Among our Russophobes, one can almost hear the gnashing of teeth.

 

Clearly, Putin believes the Trump presidency offers Russia the prospect of a better relationship with the United States. He appears to want this, and most Americans seem to want the same. After all, Hillary Clinton, who accused Trump of being “Putin’s puppet,” lost.

 

Is then a Cold War II between Russia and the U.S. avoidable?

 

That question raises several others.

 

Who is more responsible for both great powers having reached this level of animosity and acrimony, 25 years after Ronald Reagan walked arm-in-arm with Mikhail Gorbachev through Red Square? And what are the causes of the emerging Cold War II?

 

Comes the retort: Putin has put nuclear-capable missiles in the Kaliningrad enclave between Poland and Lithuania.

 

True, but who began this escalation?

 

George W. Bush was the one who trashed Richard Nixon’s ABM Treaty and Obama put anti-missile missiles in Poland. After invading Iraq, George W. Bush moved NATO into the Baltic States in violation of a commitment given to Gorbachev by his father to not move NATO into Eastern Europe if the Red Army withdrew.

 

Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, says John McCain.

 

Russia did, after Georgia invaded its breakaway province of South Ossetia and killed Russian peacekeepers. Putin threw the Georgians out, occupied part of Georgia, and then withdrew.

 

Russia, it is said, has supported Syria’s Bashar Assad, bombed U.S.-backed rebels and participated in the Aleppo slaughter.

 

But who started this horrific civil war in Syria?

 

Was it not our Gulf allies, Turkey, and ourselves by backing an insurgency against a regime that had been Russia’s ally for decades and hosts Russia’s only naval base in the Mediterranean?

 

Did we not exercise the same right of assisting a beleaguered ally when we sent 500,000 troops to aid South Vietnam against a Viet Cong insurgency supported by Hanoi, Beijing and Moscow?

 

That’s what allies do.

 

The unanswered question: Why did we support the overthrow of Assad when the likely successor regime would have been Islamist and murderously hostile toward Syria’s Christians?

 

Russia, we are told, committed aggression against Ukraine by invading Crimea.

 

But Russia did not invade Crimea. To secure their Black Sea naval base, Russia executed a bloodless coup, but only after the U.S. backed the overthrow of the pro-Russian elected government in Kiev.

 

Crimea had belonged to Moscow from the time of Catherine the Great in the 18th century, and the Russia-Ukraine relationship dates back to before the Crusades. When did this become a vital interest of the USA?

 

As for Putin’s backing of secessionists in Donetsk and Luhansk, he is standing by kinfolk left behind when his country broke apart. Russians live in many of the 14 former Soviet republics that are now independent nations.

 

Has Putin no right to be concerned about his lost countrymen?

 

Unlike America’s elites, Putin is an ethnonationalist in a time when tribalism is shoving aside transnationalism as the force of the future.

 

Russia, it is said, is supporting right-wing and anti-EU parties. But has not our National Endowment for Democracy backed regime change in the Balkans as well as in former Soviet republics?

 

We appear to be denouncing Putin for what we did first.

 

Moreover, the populist, nationalist, anti-EU and secessionist parties in Europe have arisen on their own and are advancing through free elections.

 

Sovereignty, independence, a restoration of national identity, all appear to be more important to these parties than what they regard as an excessively supervised existence in the soft-dictatorship of the EU.

 

In the Cold War between Communism and capitalism, the single-party dictatorship and the free society, we prevailed.

 

But in the new struggle we are in, the ethnonational state seems ascendant over the multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial, multilingual “universal nation” whose avatar is Barack Obama.

 

Putin does not seek to destroy or conquer us or Europe. He wants Russia, and her interests, and her rights as a great power to be respected.

 

He is not mucking around in our front yard; we are in his.

 

The worst mistake President Trump could make would be to let the Russophobes grab the wheel and steer us into another Cold War that could be as costly as the first, and might not end as peacefully.

 

Reagan’s outstretched hand to Gorbachev worked. Trump has nothing to lose by extending his to Vladimir Putin, and much perhaps to win.

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by slow