USA Izbori

[wall]

Jel Obama musliman? :D

[gone fishing]

Takoreci Obama ih je sve pocerao nazad a ne treba mu ni zid?

pre je za to zaslužna seka i pad potražnje jeftine radne snage...

[iDemo]

Bez želje da ulazim u neki fajt, mislim da je bilo kakvo elaboriranje razlika izmedju američkog sitema i sfrj sistema potpuno beskorisno.

Imaju veze koliko abakus i ipad.

 

Ukratko, taj koji se probije, mora da na kraju pobedi protivkanidata, plus ima slobodne medije, nezavisno sudstvo i na kraju krajeva slobodne gradanje. Kod jednopartijskog sistema toga nema. Pri tome ovaj sistem postoji vekovima a nijedan jednopartijski nije sastavio ni 8o godina.

 

Sirenje ovakve diskusije je na nivou objasnjavanja da zemlja nije ravna ili da treba vakcinisati decu

O kojoj se gudri zemlji ovde radi? 

[Miralem]

Poenta je da nije bitno da li će biti zida. Onaj najvažniji zid je već izgrađen, a to je da je pobedio čovek koji hoće zid.

meni je ovakav nacin razmisljanja za neverovati. ko sto je vec receno, dize se ogromna frka oko zida koji vec postoji, tj nadzidjivanja. i to u vreme kad su i u evropi nikli na sve strane. ali ne, vi sve to odjednom zaboravite i krecete da histerisete i bacakate se.

sta mislite, koja bi bila politika klinktonke u vezi ilegalne imigracije? otvorila bi granice za svakog kome dune da se useli? srusila postojeci zid? da je imigraciju moguce zaustaviti to bi svi do sada uradili, na ovaj ili onaj nacin, bili liberali ili konzervativci ili ko zna kakav hibrid ta dva sranja.

[MancMellow]

meni je ovakav nacin razmisljanja za neverovati. ko sto je vec receno, dize se ogromna frka oko zida koji vec postoji, tj nadzidjivanja. i to u vreme kad su i u evropi nikli na sve strane. ali ne, vi sve to odjednom zaboravite i krecete da histerisete i bacakate se.

sta mislite, koja bi bila politika klinktonke u vezi ilegalne imigracije? otvorila bi granice za svakog kome dune da se useli? srusila postojeci zid? da je imigraciju moguce zaustaviti to bi svi do sada uradili, na ovaj ili onaj nacin, bili liberali ili konzervativci ili ko zna kakav hibrid ta dva sranja.

 

Ko histeriše, šta mene lično briga dal će neko da gradi zid između Amerike i Meksika? Poenta je šta je bilo poruka i ta poruka je pobedila. 

[Eraserhead]

trampov izbor baca potuno novo svetlo na obamina dva mandata. sve sto je dobro odradio, zaboravilo se u jednom danu.

 

Najgore od svega je sto su najvece sanse da prvo kroz prozor lete obamacare i zastita zivotne sredine.

[Prospero]

...

 

We will learn much about the direction the nation will soon take when Trump announces his Cabinet, especially his national security team. This is a man who has long valued loyalty and, when circumstances allow, has long punished betrayal. Most members of the Republican foreign-policy establishment spoke out against him long ago. Among those who have prominently stuck with him, Newt Gingrich and John Bolton have been mentioned as possible secretaries of state, retired Maj. Gen. Michael Flynn as national security adviser or director of national intelligence, and Rudy Giuliani as attorney general or secretary of homeland security. These are all nightmare specters—arrogant advocates of strong state power who brook no dissent, have never seen an arms-control treaty they support, and harbor resentments toward anyone who ever passed them over.

 

Michael Steele, the former head of the Republican National Committee, said on one of the cable-news shows Tuesday night that the names commonly tossed about aren’t necessarily those who will be appointed; that a transition team, staffed with professionals, has been vetting possible candidates. Maybe. But the head of this transition team is New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (who is known to crave a top job, perhaps attorney general), with heavy assistance from Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, one of the most right-wing denizens on Capitol Hill.

 

It’s possible that President Trump will sober up with power, sense the complexities of the problems before him, and implore a crew of stalwart establishment experts to help him steer the ship of state. Jimmy Carter did this to some degree, as did Bill Clinton. But this seems unlikely; it doesn’t fit the profile of the man we’ve seen up close in the last year—or that many in the New York business world have warily watched for the last few decades.

 

So what difference will any of this make? Plenty. We can expect, in the next few weeks or months, that many of the world’s leaders will try to chum up to Trump. He is the president-elect, after all; the United States, though not the superpower it once was, remains an essential power. In their psychological profiles of the new American leader, the analysts in foreign intelligence agencies have no doubt advised their bosses to treat the man with all the courtesy and respect they can muster. They’ve no doubt learned some lessons about which of Trump’s buttons to push from his mistaken belief that Vladimir Putin called him “brilliant,” when, in fact, the Kremlin leader’s description of the man—zharkii—is more accurately translated as colorful. Maybe for a while Trump will respond to their compliments in kind. (This president of Estonia, he might think, is worth defending after all.)

 

But it’s doubtful Trump’s deep nativism might be so easily dislodged. Again, unless he turns more establishment than anyone would now predict, here are a few things that are likely to happen in the early weeks or months of his presidency:

 

Allies will start looking elsewhere for protection and deals. The Baltics and Ukraine might have to scale back their Western-leaning ambitions and make an arrangement with Moscow. The other European countries are less likely to keep up sanctions against Russia, which their business leaders are already eager to drop. Asian allies may react more swiftly. Already, President Putin is planning a December trip to Japan to discuss settling territorial disputes left over from World War II. South Korea will likely turn to China for a security arrangement, especially if Seoul’s current scandal-ridden government falls. The rest of the region might follow Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte’s drift toward China, especially in the wake not only of Trump’s isolationist (or unilateralist) tendencies but also of the utter collapse of the Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty—which, contrary to Trump’s rantings, would have strengthened America’s leverage in the region and reduced China’s.

 

Trump voters (and many other Americans) may regard all this as abstract stuff about faraway countries, but the clichés about global interdependence are true. Some trade agreements do have dislocating effects on certain sectors of the American economy, but many of them are, on balance, beneficial. Exports make up a huge share of gross domestic product; imports have a calming effect on inflation.

 

Hard as this may be to imagine, the Middle East is likelier to get messier still. American leadership—political, diplomatic, and military—hammered together the ramshackle coalition that’s currently pushing ISIS out of Mosul in Iraqvand Raqqa in Syria, and it will take even more persistent American leadership to maintain the peace afterward. Trump will not be eager, or remotely able, to make the effort.

 

As for the Iran nuclear deal, one of President Obama’s shining achievements, it’s unclear what Trump means when he says—and he’s said this over and over—that he’ll tear it up on Day 1. First, it’s a multinational accord, signed not just by the United States and Iran but also by the European Union nations, Russia, and China. If Trump pulls out, that doesn’t mean the deal is off. He might re-impose sanctions against Iran, but the other signatories are already doing business there and aren’t likely to go along. If U.S. banking sanctions require that they go along, then Iran may well respond by restarting its nuclear program. Either way, the hard-liners will be strengthened and the Western-leaning modernizers will be forced out. (For those who doubt that Iranian politics is beset with factions, please read Laura Secor’s Children of Paradise: The Struggle for the Soul of Iran.) If that happens, will Trump bomb Iran—as some of his advisers (and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who wants to meet with the president-elect ASAP) have long wanted to do? If that happens, we are seriously screwed. When Robert Gates first became George W. Bush’s secretary of defense, he told some Israeli officers that they might do well the first few days after such an attack—but then the terrorists would launch strikes, the Straits of Hormuz would be cut off, every Muslim nation that had been warming up to Israel would have to back off, and then, a few years later, Iran would resume its nuclear program, this time with little foreign opposition.

 

...

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/how_journalists_failed_in_2016_and_what_we_must_do_to_cover_president_trump.html

 

[April]

Oće sad da nam vrate Kosovo?

[Miralem]

Ko histeriše, šta mene lično briga dal će neko da gradi zid između Amerike i Meksika? Poenta je šta je bilo poruka i ta poruka je pobedila. 

prvo, nije ta poruka pobedila, vec je hilari pobedila. da je neko drugi bio kandidat tramp verovatno ne bi dobio izbore. drugo, tramp je od zida napravio issue, ali ko sto sam vec rekao on vec postoji, a i drugi kandidat ne bi bio labav prema ilegalnoj imigraciji. u prevodu, bice verovatno isti kurac.

[Dagmar]

Ko histeriše, šta mene lično briga dal će neko da gradi zid između Amerike i Meksika? Poenta je šta je bilo poruka i ta poruka je pobedila. 

 

Pa ima taj zid. Ali jeste razlika kad neko priča kako hoće otvorene granice, zaštitu izbeglica, a pritom zida zid, i kad neko kaže da baš i hoće zidove i neće ibeglice i onda eventualno malo pojača zid. Prva situacija odražava ideju da treba primati izbeglice, a podosta ljudi i uspe na kraju da se skloni tamo gde to pričaju. Druga situacija potpiruje dalji porast netrpeljivosti, a izbeglice neće više moći ni da zamišljaju da će negde da se sklone.

[Takeshi]

jebiga, stampanje se zakazuje ranije, ko hoce da zaradi na brzoj prodaji.

 

[April]

Što mi je ovo poznato:

 

A short read in a nut shell...let's move forward. I promise I'm back to recipes and knitting posts after this 

[MancMellow]

Oće sad da nam vrate Kosovo?

 

jedan dan od nedelje

 

prvo, nije ta poruka pobedila, vec je hilari pobedila. da je neko drugi bio kandidat tramp verovatno ne bi dobio izbore. drugo, tramp je od zida napravio issue, ali ko sto sam vec rekao on vec postoji, a i drugi kandidat ne bi bio labav prema ilegalnoj imigraciji. u prevodu, bice verovatno isti kurac.

 

super, pošto i ja kažem to isto. 

[Prospero]

In a note to clients, Stefan Kreuzkamp, chief investment officer of Deutsche Asset Management, recalls a statement from Trump last May: “Anything I say right now — look, I’m not the president, everything is a suggestion … I’m totally flexible on very, very many issues.”

 

http://www.politico.eu/article/europe-fears-end-of-liberal-western-economic-order/

 

[MancMellow]

Pa ima taj zid. Ali jeste razlika kad neko priča kako hoće otvorene granice, zaštitu izbeglica, a pritom zida zid, i kad neko kaže da baš i hoće zidove i neće ibeglice i onda eventualno malo pojača zid. Prva situacija odražava ideju da treba primati izbeglice, a podosta ljudi i uspe na kraju da se skloni tamo gde to pričaju. Druga situacija potpiruje dalji porast netrpeljivosti, a izbeglice neće više moći ni da zamišljaju da će negde da se sklone.

 

Hvala, mrzelo me da sve to pišem