USA Izbori

[April]

Oni su verovali:

 

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

[iDemo]

Ali je recimo Mičigen interesantan zato što je tamo flipnuo nekih 12 okruga i to ne zato što je manje ljudi glasalo za Hillary, nego zato što su neki iz ruralnih krajeva koji ranije nisu glasali sada glasali za Trampa.

Tamo vec duze vreme piju vodu "na cisterne" jer je cesmovaca u kur@u - tako da je im je ovo bila prva prilika da se "u velikom broju" obrate vlastima i kazu sta misle o tome... 

[iDemo]

Inace, recepAt iz Australije - glasanje da bude obavezno a ko ne glasa - ono - po dzepu ($200 - $300 - nakupi se)... Rizikuju™ se beli listici al' bi bio mnogo veci broj onih koji bi - kad vec izlaze -i glasali. 

[Frank Pembleton]

sagovornik dopisnika iz njujorka je izvesni djivo djurovic. gledam i ocekujem da covek izvrsi samoubojstvo. izmedju ostalog je rekao da je ovo kraj sveta kakvog ga znamo od 1945.

Taj "dopisnik" iz NY je šef N1 u Hrvatskoj , teška budala i narcis. Za izbor gosta su pizdeli i na N1 , ali on nikoga ni nije mogao da dovede. Svi su bili "rasprodani".

A inače N1 je gurao tu CNN priču tako da to je sve u skladu sa tim.

Još je i Smajlovićka najviše iskakala tu...

[Lord Protector]

Kaže Mišel Bahman, AKA luđa verzija Sare Pejlin, da je njena molitva prelomila za Trampa

 

 

 

 

Koje je ovo bogohuljenje Bahmanove...

 

NE UZIMAJ UZALUD IMENA GOSPODA BOGA SVOJEGA, treća Božija zapovest

 

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by slow

[J-♣]

Taj "dopisnik" iz NY je šef N1 u Hrvatskoj , teška budala i narcis. Za izbor gosta su pizdeli i na N1 , ali on nikoga ni nije mogao da dovede. Svi su bili "rasprodani".

A inače N1 je gurao tu CNN priču tako da to je sve u skladu sa tim.

Još je i Smajlovićka najviše iskakala tu...

 

Smajlovićka lepo istakla nešto kod Hilari što svi znaju ali upadljivo prećutkuju, a to je da je Hilari sklona brzim i sumnjivo promišljenim intervencijama na kriznim područjima. Navela primer da se ona lično zalagala za zabranu leta (da to nedvosmisleno važi i za ruske avione) nad Sirijom koju nije dozvolio Obama i da je više puta obećavala da će to srpovesti kad postane predsednik, vrlo opasna osoba po čovečanstvo u najavi. I dobro je što takva osoba neće biti blizu "dugmeta".

Trump će zveckati oružjem tamo negde 2019 i 2020 kad dođe vreme da obnovi mandat, a ništa od obećanog iz ove kampanje do tada verovatno neće realizovati.

Edited November 10, 2016 by J-♣

[Prospero]

ja se nadam da će svaka osoba koja je zadnje 2 godina prošla kroz vrh dnc, koja je učestvovala u pisanju dnc/hilarine strategijestragedije makar tako što je donosila kafu magovima ili kopirala neke dokumente dobiti doživotni ban bavljenja politikom na bilo koji način i u bilo kom agregatnom stanju, a još bolje i da se protera iz urbanih centara, ringfensuje od interneta u celini i počne da živi u skladu sa prirodom, na nekom ranču bez struje ili eventualno da fliupuje burgere u nekom slabo posećenom drajv-baju u podnožju apalača, ali sa zapadne strane, i mislim da bi sve u americi trebalo da stane dok se to ne ostvari. eto.
 

 
 

 
 
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy

An email released by WikiLeaks shows how the Democratic Party purposefully "elevated" Trump to "leader of the pack"
BEN NORTON


Republican Donald Trump, a far-right demagogue who campaigned on a slew of bigoted, xenophobic policies, has won the 2016 presidential election in a shocking victory few people predicted.

What was not often acknowledged in Trump’s heated race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, however, was how her campaign fueled his rise to power.

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”

The strategy backfired — royally.

On April 23, 2015, two weeks after Hillary Clinton officially declared her presidential campaign, her staff sent out a group message with information for a “strategy call.” The email included as an attachment a “memo for the DNC discussion.”

The memo, which was addressed to the Democratic National Committee, outlined “the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field.”

The document stated, “Clearly most of what is contained in this memo is work the DNC is already doing. This exercise is intended to put those ideas to paper.”

It continued, “Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-in-the-same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate.”

The memo articulated a three-point strategy. Point 1 called for forcing “all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election.”

At the time, there were more than a dozen Republican presidential candidates. The “variety of candidates is a positive here,” the Clinton campaign said.

“Many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right,” the memo noted.

“In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” the Clinton campaign wrote.

As examples of these “pied piper” candidates, the memo named Donald Trump — as well as Sen. Ted Cruz and Ben Carson).

“We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously,” the Clinton campaign concluded.

This document was part of the tens of thousands of emails to and from John Podesta, the chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, which were released by WikiLeaks.
 
Other messages published by the whistleblowing organization show how, while the Clinton camp was facilitating the rise of Trump, it was systematically undermining the campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders, Clinton’s left-wing opponent.

Leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee show that the organization, which is supposed to be bound to impartiality, sabotaged Sanders’ insurgent presidential campaign, which had mobilized millions of people and inspired a massive grassroots movement.

Sanders, a self-described Democratic socialist, repeatedly warned in the primary that he would have a greater chance of defeating Trump. Poll after poll showed that he would have beaten Trump in the general election by wide margins. Instead, his candidacy was repressed — and now Clinton has lost to Trump.

Trump and Clinton were the least popular major-party presidential nominees in U.S. history, according to an August poll. An October report cited Sanders as the most popular political figure in the country.

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by Prospero

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

ja se nadam da će svaka osoba koja je zadnje 2 godina prošla kroz vrh dnc, koja je učestvovala u pisanju dnc/hilarine strategijestragedije makar tako što je donosila kafu magovima ili kopirala neke dokumente dobiti doživotni ban bavljenja politikom na bilo koji način i u bilo kom agregatnom stanju, a još bolje i da se protera iz urbanih centara, ringfensuje od interneta u celini i počne da živi u skladu sa prirodom, na nekom ranču bez struje ili eventualno da fliupuje burgere u nekom slabo posećenom drajv-baju u podnožju apalača, ali sa zapadne strane, i mislim da bi sve u americi trebalo da stane dok se to ne ostvari. eto.

 

 

 

 

 

edit: smejem se pismu

Edited November 10, 2016 by Marvin (Paranoid Android)

[Venom]

Kao sto rekoh, prst treba uperiti u DNC. I onda im za kaznu izbiti po oko.

 

 

apres nous, la deluge

https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/796436148927266825?s=09

 

Ovo je najgori deo price. Ne klima sama po sebi, nego i sve ostalo gde ce imati moc da diriguje i upravlja. Npr. FCC se sigurno nece boriti za net neutrality kao do sada.

 

Jos jednom, cestitke DNC-u.

[pacey defender]

Ali je recimo Mičigen interesantan zato što je tamo flipnuo nekih 12 okruga i to ne zato što je manje ljudi glasalo za Hillary, nego zato što su neki iz ruralnih krajeva koji ranije nisu glasali sada glasali za Trampa.

+ ova (ilustrativna?) priča iz Ouhajoa, o tome kako tradicionalni middle class glasači demokrata sada žele "our country back". 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-ohio-youngstown-voters

 

Sa ovim prelivanjem ka Trumpu, pitanje je koliko je tradicionalnih konzervativaca glasalo za njega, imajući u vidu Eraserov grafikon i poređenje McCain-Romney-Trump. 

[Jeremija]

Pre nego što iko donira išta za Guardian, vredi pročitati ovaj tekst, tek da se zna na kakav "kvalitet" izveštavanja i analize pare idu:

 

 

 

 

Shame on them. The most qualified candidate in a generation was defeated by the least qualified of all time. That is what misogyny looks like, and, like all bigotries, it will end up dragging us all down.

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/misogyny-us-election-voters

[Venom]

Razmisljao sam jutros o tome zasto se Trumpova prednost nije videla u pollovima i onda se setih odgovora, upravo ovde na forumu:

 

 

Kao sto ovi sto zive u 95% white neighborhoods znaju da odgovore pozitivno na growing diversity pitanje, tako znaju i da nije pametno da kazu Trump u pollovima, iako se zapravo slazu s njim.

[morgana]

Police are reporting to the scene of a shooting near a protest against President-elect Donald Trump in Seattle. Authorities have not released many details but it appears that at least five people have been injured and the gunman is still at large. Two of the victims reportedly suffered life-threatening injuries.

 

 

[Ravanelli]

Razmisljao sam jutros o tome zasto se Trumpova prednost nije videla u pollovima i onda se setih odgovora, upravo ovde na forumu:

 

 

Kao sto ovi sto zive u 95% white neighborhoods znaju da odgovore pozitivno na growing diversity pitanje, tako znaju i da nije pametno da kazu Trump u pollovima, iako se zapravo slazu s njim.

mmda. pollsteri kukaju kako se mnogo manje ljudi javlja na njihove ankete i odbija da daje bilo kakve podatke.

navodno je strašno pao repsonse rate poslednjih godina.

još kad bih mogao da nađem taj članak.

 

ne znam da li zagovaraš da oni kažu hilari, a glasaju tramp ili da jednostavno prećute svoj odgovor, ali meni  ova druga teorija deluje kao verovatnija.

pogotovo u ovim izborima gde je ceo mainstream išao protiv trampa i mazao ga govnima svih boja i tekstura.

 

evo grafika. response rae je otišao sa 30% na 10%

Edited November 10, 2016 by Ravanelli

[gone fishing]

Najveci takeaway tu je da ta tradicionalna podela levo-desno vise ne funkcionise. Texas je usled snaznog ekonomskog rasta poceo da privlaci sve vise obrazovanih koji su prirodno i liberalniji. Iowa, MI itd su gubitnici globalizma i glasaju protiv sistema koji krive (ne obavezno "desno"). Paradoks je da glasaju za onog ko bi safety net ucinio slabijim.

trampara je obećevao da će vratiti milione poslova koji su u zadnjih 10-15 godina otplovili za kinu, tome se nadaju gubitnici globalizma povratku svojih dobro plaćenih poslova, prestanku rada za minimalac jer su u onih 50% populacije bez fak. dip.