ravena Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 kako da ti kažem, u romanu je bukvalno sve dozvoljeno pod uslovom da je izneseno na književno prihvatljiv način. ono - fiction i taj rad. tako je i Uelbeku - koji nije samo "ranije poznat pisac" već jedan od najznačajnijih živih evropskih autora - dozvoljeno da ustoliči muslimana u Jelisejsku palatu kao što će nekom drugom biti dozvoljeno da po svetu raseje 94 dečaka koji veselo izrastaju u nove firere a nekom trećem, opet, dopušteno da Slobodana Miloševića (dok je još u usponu) turi u tajno biciklističko društvo (ovo lupam na prvu). književnici, dakle, imaju pravo da, u skladu sa ličnim afinitetima i procenama, razrađuju i najbesmislenije fantazmagorije ali ako one u tekstu ubedljivo funkcionišu (ubedljivo sa umetničkog stanovišta) onda su oni ispunili svoj (književni) zadatak. s druge strane, mene prilično uveseljavaju čitaoci koji u današnje vreme čitanju pristupaju sa predrasudom da je "pisac hteo nešto da kaže" (pa onda, k'o biva, nastoje otkriti to nešto), da nam on šalje nekakvu "poruku" ili da je delo nekakva "metafora", "savremena parabola" ili šta već. slabo tu - danas - ima bilo šta od tih mistifikacionih odrednica za kvalitetne časove lektire odonomad. Зна се да су црвенима ти са наочарима највећи непријатељи, зато прво њих похапсе и побију у склопу борбе против фашизма. Други на ред долазе они са краватама. Уби', закољи, да писац не постоји! Аста викториа сиемпре! Жив је Че, умро није, док је Исиса и калифатије! Ne pricam uopste o njegovom pravu da pise na bilo kakav nacin, o bilo cemu i bilo kako; svako ima prava da pise o cemu god hoce. Pricam o popularnosti dela - da li na popularnost utice ili ne utice prica o izborima 2022., gde Ben Abbes pobedjuje Marine Le Pen i kasnija pobeda islamizma ili ne? Jer, ako ne, zbog cega je roman popularan, ako da, onda itekako ima smisla pricati o sukobu individualnog i kolektivnog, islama i sekularizma, desnice i umerenih i o izborima 2022. Da li bi roman nekog Tomasha iz Ceske ili Ahmeda iz Alzira o invaziji vojke Alzira na jug Francuske imao isti odjek u javnosti? Jer, koja je razlika da li je pisac iz Ceske, Alzira ili Francuske ako moze da pise sta god mu pada na pamet? Sto bi samo Francuz pisao o desavanjima u Francuskoj? Toliko o umetnickoj slobodi. Sada o postavci: Temelj romana su izbori u Francuskoj 2022. i dolazak na vlast "drugog pogleda na svet" gde je zeni mesto u kuci (otprilike onako kako i razni desnicari kod nas zamisljaju uloge u drustvu). Dakle, prirodna selekcija favorizuje rigidni kolektivizam naspram neodrzivog individualizma i svi imamo da se pokoravamo (sic!) necemu sto su neki ljudi negde odlucili da je dobro i pravilno. I zbog takve price mi (citaoci) bi trebalo da progutamo teze kako ce Francuzi izabrati Ben Abbesa umesto Le Pen (u zemlji u kojoj nema ni 10% muslimana), kao da svaki laik ne zna da je cak i umerenim desnicarima nekad drazi FN od PS, ili da ce taj izabrani predsednik moci da radi sta mu je volja, a u Egiptu gde je ogromna vecina muslimana, MB je svrgnuto sa vlasti u roku od odmah. Izvini, moram da te pitam - a ko je taj koji odlučuje koliko procenata na izborima je dovoljno za priznavanje izborne volje ? Meni je potpuno neodbranjiva teza da neko ko osvoji 15+ % glasova biračkog tela ne treba da ima bilo kakve reprezente u organima javne vlasti, jer je unapred odlučeno da je taj neko nepodoban da vrši javnu vlast. Uz svo poštovanje francuske političke kulture i tradicije, ali ovakve ideje i izborni sistemi su potpuno nespojive sa demokratijom i njenim principima. Evo, gledam rezultate parlamentarnih izbora iz 2012. godine - u prvom krugu FN 3,5 miliona glasova (13,60 % biračkog tela) na kraju 2 poslanika, FG i EELV u zbiru 3,2 miliona glasova (oko 12,35 % biračkog tela) na kraju 27 poslanika, UMP oko 7 miliona glasova (oko 27 % biračkog tela) na kraju 194 poslanika - proizilazi da FN za 1 poslaničko mesto treba 1,75 miliona glasova, dok UMP treba oko 36 hiljada glasova, odnosno da glas jednog glasača UMP vredi kao 48 glasova glasača FN. Čak i famozni drugi krug ima svoje nelogičnosti - u njemu FN osvoji 842 hiljade glasova i dobije 2 poslanička mandata, dok FG osvoji 249 hiljada glasova i dobije 10 poslaničkih mandata (dobije manje od 30 % glasova FN, a ima 5 puta više mandata), a EELV dobije 14 hiljada glasova manje od FN, a uzme 17 mandata. Iz svega napred navedenog, kao neutralan posmatrač, mogu samo zaključiti da je izborni sistem Francuske manjkav i da se zloupotrebljava na nedemokratski način. Ovo stoga što se, na osnovu nekakvih prećutnih predizbornih sporazuma ko je poželjan, a ko nepoželjan u upravljanju državom, i to sporazuma koje prave upravo oni koji u tom trenutku upravljaju državom i njima prihvatljiva opozicija, marginalizuju značajne političke snage. Dobar izborni sistem bi trebao da takve dogovore onemogući, jer je njihova posledica da stranka na vlasti može uticati na to koja druga stranka će je na vlasti naslediti, što uvodi određenu autokratsku (da ne kažem monarhističku) i elitističku komponentu u celu priču, i iskrivljuje pravu narodnu volju. E sada, osim što je manjkav, francuski sistem je i glup i kratkovid, i vratiće se svojim tvorcima kao bumerang, ako se nastavi ovim putem. Još 1988. godine je on manje - više služio tome da FN drži izvan organa vlasti (npr. odnos glasova komunista i FN je bio 2,75 miliona prema 2,35 miliona, a odnos u poslaničkim mandatima 27 : 1), i verovatno je pošao od premise da je FN prolazna pojava koja će vremenom nestati sa političke scene, te je treba sprečiti da u međuvremenu napravi neku veću štetu. Skoro trideset godina kasnije, jasno je da je ova procena bila potpuno pogrešna, jer je FN jači nego ikad i na ivici da establišmentu otme iz ruku izborno oružje kojim ga tlače već skoro 30 godina, i upotrebi ga u svoju korist. U odnosu na osamdesete se promenilo i izborno telo, koje je u dobroj meri otklizalo u desno, i sam FN, koji je našao prihvatljivija lica i mekšu retoriku u odnosu na svoje ekstremne početke, ali je zadržao nekompromitovanost, jer nigde nije vršio vlast na nekom bitnom nivou. To je nešto što je francuski establišment propustio da uoči na vreme, zabijajući glavu u pesak i uzdajući se u izborni mehanizam. Moja procena, na osnovu poslednjih informacija koja nam dolaze iz FR, je da je Sarkozi procenio da je ovakvo stanje neodrživo na duži rok, te da je strateški pametnije da se omogući neki taktički uspeh FN na ovim izborima, pa da se onda na nekim bitnijim izborima u budućnosti u prvi plan ističu neuspesi i kompromitovanost FN u vođenju pojedinih regiona. Ovaj plan može imati svoje rizike, ako se pokaže da FN i nije baš tako lud i nesposoban, ali je svakako bolji i realniji od socijalističkog čekanja da te pokupi talas Marininog populizma, i baci te na marginu dešavanja sa dvadesetak poslanika. Ovo je sad problem manjkavosti izbornih sistema. Ono na sta se ti sad zalis Nigel Farage je u UK vec davno ukazivao, a pre njega Liberalne demokrate (koji, iako na vlasti, nisu imali poslanika koliko je trebalo). Cak i da uzmemo proporcionalni izborni sistem, tebi je valjda jasno da ce neke stranke uvek biti van vlasti. Nije problem sa FN nastao jer su imali 15%, problem je nastao sada jer bi komotno mogli da dodju na vlast da nema tog cuvenog dogovora. Problem sa regionima je u tome sto to nije nuzno pitanje spoljne i unutrasnje politike u citavoj zemlji, a to i interesuje birace koji se okrecu FN. Taj FN je inace klasicna liderska partija i tesko da bi ludovanje nekog Edouard Cavina u Cote d'or pomoglo da FN ne nastavi sa rastom na nivou republike. Samo se delimicno slazem, zato sto prirodu politike Marin Le Pen ne moze adekvatno da desifruje podrska 40% ili 50% biraca. Pre mi se cini da je njen rast u birackom telu vezan za napustanje odredjenih politickih obrazaca starog tate, ubacivanja u prostor koji je napusten (degolizam) i nudjenje konkretnih (svakako uglavnom populistickih) resenja oko imigrantske krize i suzivota sa radikalnim islamom koji vec duze vreme jaca u Francuskoj (naravno, to je posebna tema, za koju je prilicno odgovorna fransucka elita jos od kolonijalnih ratova pa nadalje). Tome treba dodati i prilicno mediokritetsku pa i poltronsku spoljnu politiku koju vode tzv elite vec duze vreme, a koja se na neki nacin vraca kao bumerang u unutrasnjim pitanjima, na cemu Le Penova cesto vrlo vesto poentira kod biraca. +1 I sam kazes kako je Marine napravila otklon od svog oca. Nema vise "gospodina ebole koja je lek za velik broj crnaca". Zato i podrska koja ide i do 40% na nekim izborima nije ista podrska koja ide do 15% za starog Jean - Marie Le Pena. Ovaj drugi je imao (vecinom) protesne glasove jer je bilo jasno svima da nema nikakve sanse nigde pa je FN sluzio kao zgodna prilika za revolt nezadovoljnih ljudi (sto objasnjava veliki uspeh UKIP na evropskim izborima i njihov pad na parlamentarnim). I opet, kako to da u Francuskoj, Austriji, Finskoj, Svedskoj, Grckoj, UK, Danskoj veliki uspeh postizu stranke krajnje desne orijentacije, a takvih stranaka ima samo u tragovima u Spaniji, Portugalu, Irskoj i Nemackoj? Bice da je to od urodjenog straha od promena na gore, a mahom na svemu onome sto si ti popisao.
ravena Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Jesam, danas juce. Nista mi se, inace, ovde ne svidja - ne volim ovako prost stil pisanja. <_< Edited December 9, 2015 by ravena
Аврам Гојић Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Mother of terror attack victim booed in French parliament for wearing a headscarfThe mother of a man killed in a terror attack in France has been booed after she wore a headscarf during a public talk, with one attendee saying the atmosphere was “like being at a meeting of the National Front”. Latifa Ibn Ziaten, whose 30-year-old paratrooper son was one of seven people killed by Mohamed Merah in a series of targeted attacks against Jews and soldiers in Toulouse and Montauban in 2012, was invited to parliament to speak at a conference on secularism. In the wake of her son’s death, Mrs Ibn Ziaten founded a group in his name to “defend the values of the Republic and secularism,” and wears the headscarf in his memory, Buzzfeed News reported. When she came to speak at the conference, organised by France’s Socialist Group at the National Assembly (the body that debates France’s laws), Mrs Ibn Ziaten was booed and an audience member – wearing a headscarf – who defended her was also heckled. Law student Yassine, who also attended the event, described how his friend took to the floor to defend Ms Ibn Ziaten’s headscarf but was “immediately interrupted” and told to “’go traveling in fundamentalist countries’ to criticise her choice to wear the veil.” “I felt like I was at a meeting for the National Front rather than a meeting largely made up of socialists.” France’s former women’s minister Yvette Roudy confirmed there had been heckling, and told Buzzfeed News she had warned Mrs Ibn Ziaten “it wasn’t a good idea to wear her scarf”. Ms Roudy added that she told the unidentified student the “hijab was a symbol of submission to the patriarchal law and that fundamentalists used it as an entryway.” The two hecklers – not believed to be affiliated with the left-wing party – reportedly left after socialist MP Jean Galvany publicly defended Mrs Ibn Ziaten on stage and asked them to leave. “Socialists worthy of the name would never hiss or boo this respected women, as some have suggested on Twitter,” he wrote in a statement on Facebook. Mrs Ibn Ziaten said she wears the scarf as a way of remembering her son, and her choice does not break any of France’s strict laws on secularism. While the wearing of niqabs is banned for public places, rules around headscarves are more relaxed. Additionally, only public servants – which Mrs Ibn Ziaten is not – are banned from wearing any kind of head-covering.
Yoda Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Tipujem na unuku, navodno mala za uzore ima dedu i crkvu, sa tetkom i nije nesto bliska.
Budja Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Tipujem na anonimuse. Mala Marion je dovoljno poznata da bi to bilo na naslovnim stranama. A mozda i nisu poslanici, When she came to speak at the conference, organised by France’s Socialist Group at the National Assembly rec je o nekoj konferenciji a ne sednici skupstine.
mackenzie Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Opet neka socijalistička čorba, tipujem na false flag bukanje.
Prospero Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Sa EuroTriba: Regional elections in Franceby eurogreen Sun Dec 6th, 2015 at 04:27:15 AM ESTUpdate [2015-12-10 2:44:6 by eurogreen]: Thursday 10th.On Sundays 6th and 13th of December, regional elections will be held in France. It is to be expected that the Front National will win two of the twelve regions on the French mainland, with a possibility of a third or even a fourth.The left held 20 of the 21 regions (before the recent mergers) in the previous two elections, in 2003 and 2009. Instinctively, one expected a near wipeout this time around, but France's electoral geography doesn't work like that. It will hold at least four this time, quite likely six or seven (my estimation), possibly even more...[i will be updating this diary over the next week or so as the situation evolves] It's a two-round election, proportional with a bonus for the leading list. Any list with over 10% can go to the second round; any list with over 5% can merge with another list between rounds. There is a bonus of 25% of seats for the leading list in the second round, which effectively guarantees a majority. In practice, in all of the metropolitan regions, there will be three lists in the second round: left, right and FN. This map is based on the most recent poll result in each region : voting intentions for the second round. My own region, Auvergne Rhone Alpes, is deemed too close to call (between left and right). But in my opinion, all four of the light-blue regions also fall in that category. The poll numbers for first-round voting intentions on the national level give rise to alarmist headlines : the lists of the FN and of the right are at 28 to 30% each, with the PS a poor third at 24% or so. But this ignores the fact that the FN will pick up basically zero extra votes in the second round, and the right very few. The PS lists, on the contrary, will pick up most of the votes from the Communist and Green lists, which are each around 5 or 6%. In fact, in three of the four "light-blue" regions, the sum of the first-round voting intentions for the left is greater than the sum of the lists of the right (excluding FN of course). Yet the voting intentions for the second round favour the right-wing list in each case. This illustrates the anger and demotivation that is widespread on the left, and the difficulty that many will have in voting PS in the second round. We'll have to see how that pans out in the second round... Looking at how the poll numbers have evolved in the past few months, it's remarkable that the attacks of November seem to have had practically no influence at all. Those who imagined a dramatic rise in the FN's numbers seem, so far, to be wrong. [Monday morning update :] The three dark-blue regions will be Republicans/FN duels next Sunday, after the Socialists withdrew their lists. Ile de France and Auvergne-Rhone Alpes (grey) seem likely to stay left. Others pretty much as coloured. The headline national numbers : Front National : 28%Republicans and allies : 27% Socialists : 23% Greens : 6%Communists : 5%Abstemption : 50%Overall, a stunning defeat for Sarkozy's Republicans. [Midweek update :] In the end, the Northeast region PS list did not withdraw : despite orders and threats from Paris, and an attempt at getting at least 50% of the candidates on the list to withdraw, which would have invalidated the list. So, it looks like Florial Philippot is the most likely to be the first FN leader of a region. Because in both the North and in Provence, the Le Pens are trailing, according to opinion polls : 47/53 for Marine, 46/54 for her niece. The PS strategy of withdrawing their lists seems to work; though as Mélenchon has said, OK to vote against the FN, as long as there is an actual difference with the other list. In the North, it's clear enough. In Provence, much less so : Marion Maréchal-Le Pen is old-time hard-right, moral conservative, like her grandfather, and like her opponent, Christian Estrosi. Meanwhile, business as usual : the left lists have merged in seven regions, failing to do so only in Brittany. The PS had 34% there in the first round, and no doubt feels confident of victory; therefore turned down the offers of the Greens, judged too extremist (i.e. too demanding). Of course, the leader of the PS list is the war hero (sorry, Minister for Peace) Le Drian. In all other regions where it is present, the PS has absorbed the Green lists, and the PC lists where these reached the 5% threshold. In the Ile de France region, the program of the united list calls for banning diesel in Paris... ...
hazard Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Meni malo smesno to sa povlacenjem i spajanjem lista, dusu dalo za raznorazne varijante gerrymanderinga i mesetarenja. Ako ocete rodjaci zajedno, izadjite zajedno u 1. krugu. Ako ocete da odlucite ko medju vama treba da nosi listu, bude 1., ima vise kandidata, whatever, napravite neke primary izbore unutar svoje koalicije ili sta vec, pa odlucite tako. Ovo je mnogo smesno
borris_ Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Ovo je tradicija u fr. U prvom krugu se vidi ko je jaci da bi u drugom podjelili mjesta prema rezultatima prvog kruga. Ovaj put se desnica udruzila par sada imaju problem jer nemaju rezervu glasova sa drugi krug.
koksy Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Jesam, danas juce. Nista mi se, inace, ovde ne svidja - ne volim ovako prost stil pisanja. <_< bila onomad davno jedna frka oko Radulovićeve drame "Golubnjača" (proistekle iz proznog teksta). nakon što su drugovi sa najvišeg mesta rešili da se radi o jednom nacionalističkom i ostalim -ističkim udarima na bratstvoijedinstvonašihnarodaitekovinerevolucije, diglo se i kuso i repato da po ovom pitanju na raznim skupovima iznese svoj cenjeni sud. otprilike je argumentacija išla po sistemu "nisam čitao Labudnjaču ali znam da ništa ne valja"
mackenzie Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Gun linked to Paris attacks traced back to Florida arms dealer implicated in Iran-Contra scandalGun linked to last month’s Paris mass shootings has been traced back to a Florida arms dealer. The serial number for a M92 semi-automatic pistol linked to the deadly Nov. 13 terrorist attacks matched one for a weapon delivered by the Zastava arms factory in May 2013 to Century International Arms in Delray Beach, reported the Palm Beach Post. Michael Sucher, the owner of Century Arms, did not answer calls seeking comment Thursday and the doors to his shop were closed as TV news crews gathered outside. Employees leaving the arms dealer’s building did not comment on the case, and a woman who works next door said she had no idea the business dealt guns. Century Arms buys and sells military-grade surplus guns — with a specialty in buying weapons from overseas and reselling them to dealers — and is one of the largest arms dealers in the U.S. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/gun-linked-to-paris-attacks-traced-back-to-florida-arms-dealer-implicated-in-iran-contra-scandal/
Prospero Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Šta je "M92 semi-automatic pistol"? Pištolj nije, verovatno je ovo, tj. skraćeni i polu-automatizovani M70
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