mackenzie Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Pa i Iran je republika, znam na šta ciljaš. Zato se US elita sturi da uvede demokratiju svuda gdje im treba pretext za rovarenje.
borris_ Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Republikanci imaju transparentniji izborni sistem. Imaju i oni superdelegate ali svaka drzava daje po tri. Kod demokratat je to drugacije. Imaju sistem kao i republikanci ali su 1968. (valjjda) dodali i ove druge superdelegate (senatori, guverneri itd - ukupno oko 400) da bi izabrali sto "boljeg" kandidata.
mackenzie Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Zato svako ko želi dobrobit Americi treba glasati za republikance, jer demokrate teže ka da pogaze onu Frenklinovu "if you can keep it". Onda ako budu dobri možda im Marvin vrati reptilijansku tzv kraljicu, ali bi bilo najpravičnije da dobiju iranskog vrhovnog mulu za vrhovnog supervizora.
Marvin (Paranoid Android) Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 reptilijansku tzv kraljicu
mackenzie Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) btw ne priznajem je za legitimnog monarha, i poslednji legitimni monarh je bio Ričard III :D Edited February 10, 2016 by mackenzie
borris_ Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 A Republic, if You Can Keep It . . .by James D. Best I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention, a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.” Our Constitution created a limited representative republic. A republic is different from a democracy. In a democracy, the majority can directly make laws, while in a republic, elected representatives make laws. Basically, in a pure democracy, the majority has unlimited power, whereas in a republic, a written constitution limits the majority and provides safeguards for the individual and minorities. In the United States, we actually have both systems. There is no way for Americans to directly enact legislation at the national level, but half of the states allow ballot initiatives which, if passed by a majority of the voters, have the force of law. The Founders’ intent at the national level was a representative republic. The word democracy is not mentioned in the Constitution. Most of the Founders distrusted pure democracy. Some had been frightened by Shays Revolt and equated democracy with mob rule. Others were convinced by Madison that different factions would come together until they formed a majority, and then take advantage of those who were not members of their coalition. In fact, Madison showed that throughout history, this phenomenon had destroyed every experiment in democracy. John Adams wrote that “There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide,” and James Madison wrote in Federalist 10 that “Democracies have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” The reason pure democracies fail is that majorities learn that they can legally take property and/or liberties away from others. Those subjected to abuse can be anyone outside the majority coalition, and their minority status can be based on race, religion, wealth, political affiliation, or even which city or state they reside in. Demagogic leaders become adept at appealing to the emotions of jealousy, avarice, and entitlement. They also denigrate opponents in order to justify prejudicial actions taken by the majority. Soon, oppression of minority classes causes enough conflicts to collapse the democratic process. A major difference between a republic and a democracy is immediacy. The Founders wanted laws made by representatives in order to put a buffer between popular passions and legislation. In a democracy, decisions are made in the heat of the moment, while periodic elections in a republic provide a cooling off period. To a great extent, democracies are ruled by feelings, while in a republic, the rule of law governs. In a republic, politicians can take principled actions that go against the will of many of their constituents with the knowledge that they will be judged by all the actions they take during their entire term in office. Political leaders are also given time to explain the reasons for their actions. Of course, if an elected official does something grievously offensive, then the voters can follow the advice of Alexander Hamilton, who in Federalist 21 wrote, “The natural cure for an ill-administration, in a popular or representative constitution, is a change of men.” When the people’s will is thwarted, regular elections give them the opportunity to dismiss their representatives and appoint new ones.
Janko Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Bio je još jedan , Harison valjda... ali ova dvojica su najviše zla napravili :) Pa i Iran je republika, znam na šta ciljaš. Zato se US elita sturi da uvede demokratiju svuda gdje im treba pretext za rovarenje. Oduvek je tako : We feel that we are acting under obligations not confined to the limits of our own society. It is impossible not to be sensible that we are acting for all mankind; Na Burundiju moze da se turi od koga je citat :( Dzefeson je ovo... Republikanci imaju transparentniji izborni sistem. Imaju i oni superdelegate ali svaka drzava daje po tri. Kod demokratat je to drugacije. Imaju sistem kao i republikanci ali su 1968. (valjjda) dodali i ove druge superdelegate (senatori, guverneri itd - ukupno oko 400) da bi izabrali sto "boljeg" kandidata. Malo je komplikovanije od toga Republikanci imaju po tri delegata za svaku drzavu , terotiriju i distrikt. Osim toga 84 delegata ,koje biraju drzavne konvencije ili koje postavlja partijski komitet u svakoj drzavi. Takodje 188 delegata izabranih na kokusima, koji ne moraju glasati kao glasaci, onda delegati iz Ilinioisa , Ohaja i Pensilvanije , nisu obaveyani da glasaju kao elektorat iz svoji drzava, mada obicno cine tako...
Shan Jan Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Moze li neko lepo da objasni od pocetka pa do kraja kako funkcionise americki izborni sistem za predsednika? Inace, zive Sanders, kad ne moze Ron Pol sto bi rekli :)
porucnik vasic Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Koliko si generalno nadobudan, ocekivao bih da poznajes bar osnove izbornog procesa drzave u kojoj zivis. Teoretski, da ne znam da si glasac Dveri te samim time politicki idiot :) Ене, не да си ми рекао него свака ти част. Капирам да је ово идиот тепање...што значи ако сад ја почнем да називам људе идиотима, макар политичким овде не следе никакве санкције? Или Газда може да оно кињи без последица.
Janko Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Moze li neko lepo da objasni od pocetka pa do kraja kako funkcionise americki izborni sistem za predsednika? Inace, zive Sanders, kad ne moze Ron Pol sto bi rekli :) Primarni izbori (i kokusi) : Elektorski koledz
Budja Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Одвалио је. Узела је мање него 2008. године. Нисам мислио ни да ће 10 разлике бити, камоли више од 20. Баба је unelectable. Могу на мишиће да је прогурају супер делегатима и сличним форама, али ако се то деси биће много гадно. hvala Viniju. Young Turks su odlicni. I kazu, bez obzira da li ce Berni dobiti, baba bez Bernija ne moze da dobije izbore. Ona mora da ide na veliku izlaznost a toga nece biti bez Bernija. To jest, moze bez Bernija ali bez Elizabeth Warren nema sanse. Zanimljivo je da se Elizabeth jos nije izjasnila. Moze baba da ima i 1,000 superdelegata, ali prakticno samo 3 endorsements matter: Obama, Biden i Warren.
WTF Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Ne znam cemu ovoliko paljenja i ushicenja. Baba™ dobija izbore, bice DEM nominee sigurno, pa nju je 2008 Obama jedva, onako "na misice" pobedio, a Deda™ je mnogo slabiji kandidat od Obame. Dobio je u drzavi sa jednocifrenim procentom manjinske populacije, da vidimo sta ce da bude u NV i SC, o nekim drugim drzavama da ne govorimo. Na kraju krajeva, Deda™ ce podrzati Babu™, to je vec nekoliko puta rekao i na debatama i u govorima, nadam se da ce razmazena decurlija da ga poslusa kad bude trebalo. Sto se tice GOP trke, ocekujem da se u sledeca 2-3 dana smanji copor, realno Trump, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio i eventualno Jeb (ako ima jos budala koje bi ga finansirali), ostali ako su normalni treba da se okrenu obavezama u domacim takmicenjima.
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