Mađarski zid: izbeglice sa Bliskog istoka i iz Afrike u Srbiji i regionu

[Marcus Wulffings]

Fina šklopocija. Šteta što se nije održala barem još 100 godina.

 

 

vrhunac ddr inženjerstva, mada su sa unapređenjem nadzornog sistema rasli i troškovi održavanja

[Haralampije]

To je od početka bilo jasno. Ali, ograda je opet ograda. Ne verujem da će ih čekati otvorenih ruku kada stupe na tih dva i po metra Mađarske teritorije, pre da će ignorisati zahtev za azil iz te teritorije. Opet, ignorisanje bi značilo da će azilanti da pređu preko/ispod/kroz ogradu.

 

Meni ograda pre svega deluje kao populizam i kao sredstvo za zastrašivanje azilanata da bi ovi, bar u nekom procentu, krenuli za Hrvatsku ili Rumuniju.

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Cisto sumnjam da ce napraviti vise od par kilometara te ograde:to je velik posao,a bome i kosta.Pominjana je cifra od 20 mil.eura anesto nisam siguran da imaju toliki novac na bacanje

[Marcus Wulffings]

ako vam se ne sviđa ovakva magyarska ograda, možda biste više voleli "zid" koji se proteže kroz zapadnu saharu, u seljačkoj marokanskoj izvedbi

[Tale]

ako vam se ne sviđa ovakva magyarska ograda, možda biste više voleli "zid" koji se proteže kroz zapadnu saharu, u seljačkoj marokanskoj izvedbi

 

Ograde, zidovi.. 

 

A onda moja supruga juče stala u red u radnji kod Ž.St. i drugi ispred nje na redu je bio jedan od ovih nevoljnika.

 

Želeo je da kupi litarski jogurt.

 

Kasirka kucala, saopštila mu iznos, a on je u jednoj ruci imao 50 dinara a u drugoj 5€. Gledao je u jednu pa u drugu ruku i pružio kasirki 5€ što je ona, naravno, odbila.

 

Ostavio je taj jogurt i krenuo da izađe kada je shvatio da ne može da kupi. Tada mu je moja supruga rekla: "Wait, please! I will pay this for you".

 

Onda je on zastao zbunjeno i ponudio joj onih 5€. Naravno da je odbila.

 

Čovek koji je bio na redu je, kada je shvatio da će moja supruga platiti karticom i svoje i nevoljnikovo, onda propustio ispred sebe, a žena iza nje joj je rekla: "Svaka Vam čast!".

 

Nevoljnik je dobio jogurt i zbunjeno promucao reči zahvalnosti, a supruga kaže da mu je u očima videla mnogo više od onoga što je uspeo da izusti.

 

Platila je svoje i njegovo. Karticom. Iz minusa.

 

Ponosan sam na nju.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Tale

[Marcus Wulffings]

bila bi to jedna priča koja daje nadu da će se migranti ipak izvući iz svoje čemerne stvarnosti

[Muwan]

Neće se izvući (barem većina neće) ali priča je tu da pokaže da Srbija ima čemu da se nada dok u njoj ima dobrih ljudi.

[Аврам Гојић]

Ograde, zidovi.. 

 

A onda moja supruga juče stala u red u radnji kod Ž.St. i drugi ispred nje na redu je bio jedan od ovih nevoljnika.

 

Želeo je da kupi litarski jogurt.

 

Kasirka kucala, saopštila mu iznos, a on je u jednoj ruci imao 50 dinara a u drugoj 5€. Gledao je u jednu pa u drugu ruku i pružio kasirki 5€ što je ona, naravno, odbila.

 

Ostavio je taj jogurt i krenuo da izađe kada je shvatio da ne može da kupi. Tada mu je moja supruga rekla: "Wait, please! I will pay this for you".

 

Onda je on zastao zbunjeno i ponudio joj onih 5€. Naravno da je odbila.

 

Čovek koji je bio na redu je, kada je shvatio da će moja supruga platiti karticom i svoje i nevoljnikovo, onda propustio ispred sebe, a žena iza nje joj je rekla: "Svaka Vam čast!".

 

Nevoljnik je dobio jogurt i zbunjeno promucao reči zahvalnosti, a supruga kaže da mu je u očima videla mnogo više od onoga što je uspeo da izusti.

 

Platila je svoje i njegovo. Karticom. Iz minusa.

 

Ponosan sam na nju.

 

pre nekoliko dana sam kod Staklenca naleteo na migranta za koga smo nas nekolicina prolaznika mislili da je mrtav. lezao je pored klupe. 

jedva ga podigosmo, ispostavilo se da je samo zedan i gladan. kupljena mu je zaliha hrane dovoljna za par dana putovanja.

ima ljudi kojima nije frka da pomognu ali je to ipak sve anegdota a ne sistemski odgovor. ova zemlja mesec dana ne moze da podigne jebene prihvatne centre.

[beta]

ako vam se ne sviđa ovakva magyarska ograda, možda biste više voleli "zid" koji se proteže kroz zapadnu saharu, u seljačkoj marokanskoj izvedbi

zid je ono čudo između izraela i zapadne obale

[Marcus Wulffings]

zid je ono čudo između izraela i zapadne obale

 

do takvog nečeg neće doći, to je sigurno

[beta]

to je najgori zid/ograda koji sam videla. ne računam kineski

 

edit: najgori u smislu najekstremniji

Edited July 17, 2015 by beta kentauri

[Dagmar]

Jebene granice.

 

Daj da to pukne više, da se kapital razlije globalno pa da vidimo šta bi bilo.

 

 

Jedan veliki Banglades, Irak ili tako nesto. Verovatno nista sto nije vec vidjeno.

[Krošek]

...

A pedes dinara nije ponudio?

[Tale]

Jedan veliki Banglades, Irak ili tako nesto. Verovatno nista sto nije vec vidjeno.

Kada je viđeno? Zašto misliš da bi se tako iznivelisalo?

[Dagmar]

Kada je viđeno? Zašto misliš da bi se tako iznivelisalo?

 

Vidjeno je u vidu neke prosecne mnogoljudne drzave koja moze biti stabilnija, tipa Indije, Kina je vec presisala svetski prosek odavno, ili manje stabilne, tipa Nigerije recimo. U principu po bogatstvu, svetski prosek bi bio tu negde oko Kosova. E sad to ako bi otvaranje granica proslo u miru&manjim potresima. Ako bi izazvalo vece potrese, recimo kao neke istorijske seobe naroda posle kojih slede konstantni ratovi sa starosedeocima i brisanje prethodnih populacija i njihove kulture, onda bi u prvi mah doslo i do snizenja tog proseka bas tu negde na nivo Bangladesa, ali bi se posle uravnilovke moglo polako napredovati pa dostici i neki nivo recimo solidne Indije. To sve zamisljajuci da nekako nismo iscrpli resurse i da cemo ustvari docekati jos taj neki potreban broj generacija za proces fuzije planete u jednu superdrzavu.

[Prospero]

Migrant surge creates tension on Hungary-Serbia border

 

 

By Eszter Zalan

Asotthalom, 16. Jul, 18:47

 

 

Two-year old Nazenin Zahara says an unfaltering thank you with a smile when his jaded father asks for directions.

 

Her extended family of 14 rest on the pavement of the road between the Serbian border and the first Hungarian village, Asotthalom.

 

They are exhausted, but in a surprisingly cheerful mood. They’ve made it.

 

Said, a 23-year old carpenter, the English-speaker of the group, says they are from Herat, Afghanistan, and have been on the road for two months.

 

He cites threats by the Taliban and extortion by the Islamic State as the main reason for their flight. “They are killing us”, he says. In the meantime, the others in the group get canned food out of their backpacks.

 

Said said they came through Iran, Turkey, Greece, and Macedonia, sleeping in parks and on the street. In Serbia, police took their money. “There was some fighting too”, he mutters.

 

In Greece they were detained for 10 days, he doesn't know why. They want to go to Belgium, where Said has distant relatives.

 

Their main concern now is Said’s sister, who is six-months pregnant. She lies down on the pavement on a blanket, dehydrated and tired.

 

Said asks a local, who called the police to pick the migrants up, to take her sister to the village by car. But she refuses fearing it will amount to trafficking, which is punishable by a three to five-year prison sentence.

 

Shortly after the police show up and tells the group to wait for a bus that will pick them up and take them to nearby Roszke, where their asylum process will start.

 

EU entry point

 

This corner of southern Hungary is becoming the biggest entry point to the European Union for migrants, rivalling the deadly Mediterranean route.

 

The number of asylum seekers coming to Hungary, a country of 10 million, has risen from a few thousand in 2012 to 43,000 in 2014.

 

Over 70,000 people have claimed asylum so far this year. In 2014, 508 asylum seekers received some kind of protection.

 

On the day of Said’s arrival, 752 “illegal immigrants” were picked up by police, according to official data. Locals think it’s only a fraction of the actual number of people making their way into Hungary here.

 

More than 80 percent of them are fleeing Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and almost all cross into Hungary from Serbia. The vast majority of them do not want to settle in Hungary, and quickly move onto Western Europe, to countries such as Germany, Austria, or Sweden before their asylum request is processed.

 

The thick acacia and pine forest covering the border area between Hungary and Serbia is littered with torn-up Greek asylum documents.

 

Migrants get rid of them out of fear they might be sent back - as EU rules stipulate - to their first registration point in the bloc.

 

Hairulla Faizi sits in the shade, exhausted, and covered in cuts and bruises. He says they are from walking in the forest for the last 10 hours.

 

He sits with a group of 15 other Afghans in the middle of Asotthalom, among them women and an 11-year old boy, who smiles shyly. A few policemen stand guard, handing out water.

 

Hairullah, 33, said he needed to flee Baghlan province because he worked with the Hungarian Nato forces there as IT personnel. “Now the Taliban is after me”, he said.

 

He wants to join his wife, who is already in Germany.

 

He is carrying one backpack with his wife’s turquoise jacket in it to keep him warm. Just like the other group of Afghans, Hairulla also says he did not pay traffickers.

 

Not far from the village centre, another group of Afghans is caught by police and put on buses.

 

In a comic yet sadly telling scene, a police officer asks one man, in Hungarian, to put his ragged backpack in trunk of the bus. The migrant, from Afghanistan, himself begins to climb into the trunk. The officers laugh and escort him onto the bus.

 

“Hungary as Hungary"

 

Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orban, has launched a campaign against migrants, pledging to keep “Hungary as Hungary”.

 

His government launched a billboard campaign against immigrants, while the army on Monday started to build a four-metre high fence along Hungary’s border with Serbia to keep migrants out.

 

Some of those living on farms close to the border are fearful of the hundreds of foreigners marching through their fields, on occasion taking some of their food crops.

 

“Europe is full. We don't want situations like in Paris or Sweden, we don't want to live like that”, said one farmer.

 

“We might have failed on empathy, but neither our government, nor the EU, came up with any kind of solution to this”, added a local, who wanted to remain anonymous because the issue is so toxic.

 

Police and local authorities are clearly not equipped to handle the large numbers.

 

Locals say there is a vibrant human trafficking network reaching all the way to Turkey.

 

“Even though this is a Schengen border, nobody protects it, and it is horrible. But the wall is an unnecessary waste of money,” said another resident standing on the border with Serbia, just as four migrants appeared from the bushes.

 

Others across Hungary are moved by the migrants’ plight and, despite the government’s rhetoric, are determined to help.

 

Volunteers help migrants with directions to asylum camps, and they distribute food and toiletries.

 

At the train station in the southern town of Szeged, where most migrants pass through, volunteers hand out water and advice.

 

“I am here out of mercy. If I would be fleeing, I would like to get the same kind of help,” said one middle-aged Hungarian woman.

 

New asylum law may infringe EU law

 

To stem the flow of migrants, the government passed stricter asylum rules earlier this month.

 

Human rights groups say the law is worse than the planned fence, and the UN warned the measures could have fatal consequences.

 

Gabor Gyulai, refugee programme co-ordinator at the Hungarian Helsinki Committee, a leading human rights NGO, said the new asylum law also breaches EU law.

 

“It practically means a ‘legal fence’”, Gyulai told this website. He added: “At some points, the amended law does not even try to pretend that it complies with international obligations.”

 

The controversial measures include fast-track screening of asylum claims without proper due process safeguards, allowing prolonged detention of asylum-seekers (including women, children and people with special needs) and little room for legal redress.

 

Declaring Serbia a safe third country, contrary to the assessment of UNHCR and the guidance of the Hungarian Supreme Court, might also ring alarm bells in Brussels.

 

Since 99 percent of asylum-seekers cross into Hungary from Serbia, human right groups fear this move could result in sending almost everybody back to the Balkan nation without any substantive inquiry into their asylum claims.

 

“It [the new law] basically prevents people fleeing from war and persecution to be granted asylum in Hungary”, Gyulai added.

 

Critics claim Hungary’s government is not genuinely interested in a solution.

 

“A proper solution to this real challenge lacks political will because the government is interested in keeping the crisis on the news headlines”, Gyulai added, saying: “It uses it for internal political purposes as well as creating a tough stance against Brussels”.

 

 

via TT

Edited July 18, 2015 by Prospero