Mađarski zid: izbeglice sa Bliskog istoka i iz Afrike u Srbiji i regionu

[Muwan]

Na Horgošu nije moglo zato što su bili u fazonu ajde da probamo da Srbija legne na rudu. Pa kad ni Srbija ni Hrvatska nisu legle sad će biti malo teže ponavljati Horgoš između dve članice EU.

 

Doduše ovi Orbanovi su na nekim gadnim drogama. Tako su i iz Srbije manje-više uredno preuzimali izbeglice dok nisu završili svu ogradu i rasporedili sve snage, pa onda odjednom udarili iz sve snage. Možda genije ima ideju da proba nešto slično i sa Hrvatskom.

Edited September 18, 2015 by beowl

[Krošek]

bilo bi neuporedivo crnje nego na horgosu, znaci makedonija na kvadrat, jer nema ograde. to je jednostavno nemoguce cak i za orbana.

 

 

Doduše ovi Orbanovi su na nekim gadnim drogama. Tako su i iz Srbije manje-više uredno preuzimali izbeglice dok nisu završili svu ogradu i rasporedili sve snage, pa onda odjednom udarili iz sve snage. Možda genije ima ideju da proba nešto slično i sa Hrvatskom.

 

jer nisu toliko ludi da masakriraju ljude. ograda sprecava to

 

edit: kad skontas prakticno ograda cuva izbeglice od madjarske sile, ne madjarsku od izbeglica

Edited September 18, 2015 by Krošek

[Prospero]

Svaka čast Vučiću!
 
 
 

Refugees walk along railroad tracks at the Hungary-Serbia border, near the town of Horgos on September 14, 2015 | ARMEND NIMANI/AFP/Getty



Serbia displays “European values” on migrants
As Hungary and Croatia close their borders, tens of thousands of migrants are now trapped in Serbia.

By ANDREW MACDOWALL
9/18/15, 12:36 PM CET


BELGRADE — Hungary’s decision to seal its southern border has turned the spotlight of the migrant crisis onto Serbia, where images of columns of refugees fleeing conflict evoke all-too-recent memories.

 

Only a decade-and-a-half ago, Serbia was an international pariah, shunned for its role in the Yugoslav wars, and perceived as the instigator of ethnic conflict and persecution. Now government and civil society have won praise for the compassion with which the current crisis has been handled. The government has wasted no time in drawing a contrast between EU member Hungary tear-gassing migrants — on Serbian soil — and its own approach.
 
“The consensus is that Serbia has dealt with it very well so far in the circumstances, and that migrants are treated with great respect and dignity,” a diplomat from an EU member state told POLITICO.

 

But with no signs of the flows slowing, and EU members to the north and westpulling up the drawbridge, the institutional and social capacity of one of Europe’s poorest countries to cope is limited. Until now Serbia has made almost no provision for migrants to stay, calculating correctly that the vast majority of refugees are just passing though on their way to Germany, Scandinavia and Belgium. The average stay is currently three days.

 

Until now, the country has largely “pumped” migrants north to the EU, which has not put unbearable strain on Serbia’s financial and emotional resources. That may change.

 

Around 160,000 migrants have passed through Serbia since the beginning of the year. An estimated 2,000 to 4,000 are arriving every day, mostly via Preševo on the southern border with Macedonia. After clashes on the fenced-off Serbian border with Hungary on Wednesday, migrants have turned towards Croatia, with 7,000 entering in the last day.

 

Croatia’s own response has been equivocal, at first saying it would allow free passage towards Northern Europe, but a day later saying that it would “not be able to receive more people.” It has now closed seven of its eight border crossings with Serbia. This raises the prospect of tens of thousands of people becoming trapped in Serbia.

 

So far, Serbia has generally followed a policy of free passage, including busing migrants, and offering limited accommodation, healthcare and legal support at transit centers.

 

People are donating clothes and food, and migrants sleeping in tents outside Belgrade’s scruffy bus station are left untouched. Local and international non-governmental organizations have been active in providing help, including at the Hungarian border at Horgos, where a support camp was being packed up on Thursday as migrants drifted westward, some on foot, some on official buses.

 

Following the use of water cannon, pepper spray, and tear gas on migrants, including children, by Hungarian police, Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić was swift to condemn Budapest’s “non-European” behavior, saying: “I call on the European Union to react, for its members to behave in line with European values.”
The difference in tone between Vučić, once an ultranationalist, and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, once a pro-Western liberal, has not gone unnoticed.
“The feeling amongst foreign ambassadors is that Serbia is displaying European values that some would say some EU member states are not displaying. This does Serbia’s EU aspirations no harm,” said the EU diplomat.

 

An EU representative in Serbia said that the country was being showered with praise by Brussels for its approach, and added that he hoped that Serbia’s stance was a sign that the country was becoming a “normal, fully-fledged” European country after many difficult years of transition. Serbia is a candidate to eventually join the EU.

 

Coordination between government, NGOs and individuals — often at cross-purposes on a day-to-day basis — has been impressive. The relatively high level of sympathy for the migrants is partly due to the recent memory of the Yugoslav wars, which displaced millions. Serbia is home to many Serbs who fled Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo between 1991 and 1999, as well as many of various nationalities from around the former Yugoslavia who have come to Serbia seeking a better life.

 

“There is a sentiment of solidarity with the refugees, some people recognize their own past in what is happening,” says Dušan Janjić, a Serbian sociologist and an expert on extremism. “The ex-radical Vučić reacted very well.”

 

Nonetheless, there are real concerns about what will happen if the EU becomes a fortress and leaves Serbia to deal with the consequences. Foreign Minister Ivica Dačić has warned the EU not to treat the country as a “collection center.”[valjda "collective"?]

 

Now that Croatia is also locking down its border, Serbia is likely to face pressure both on its physical and administrative capacity to manage the situation, and the so-far positive attitude to the migrants passing through on their way to the EU’s open-border Schengen Zone.

Having run Europe’s largest budget deficit last year, and with GDP per capita below not just the European but the global average, Serbia has extremely limited resources. The EU representative said the bloc is ready to help Serbian authorities come up with a list of what they need. They are already working on developing transit camps, but Serbia can’t fix the problem alone. With a Balkan winter in the offing, better shelter will become a priority.

 

“The emphasis from our perspective is that Serbia is doing a good job in circumstances but clearly can’t be expected to shoulder the burden of all this; it physically can’t,” said the diplomat.
Ironically, Serbia’s limited and heavily pro-government media, normally a subject of EU criticism, has helped maintain the pro-refugee feeling among ordinary Serbs. This sentiment may start to fray if the numbers of migrants increase.

 

While Serbia has a significant Slavic and Albanian Muslim population, it has little modern history of mass migration from outside Europe, and xenophobia is far from extinct. Unemployment runs at around 25 percent, and there has been no public debate about how to replace the 40,000 Serbian citizens who emigrate every year.

 

Moreover, Serbia, as an EU candidate state, may feel reluctant to bear the burden in the name of solidarity while far richer full members continue to stonewall.
“Serbia is paying the price of EU inaction,” says James Ker-Lindsay, a Balkan expert at the London School of Economics. “The situation is completely out of their hands. One wonders if this could lead to a backlash against the EU. They can’t deal with it, so they dump it on us.”

 

[radisa]

Neverovatna budalaština... Znači, ljudi ne mogu da uđu kroz Srbju u Mađarsku, ali mogu kroz Hrvatsku.

 

Kontam da je fora da zemlja ulaska u EU nije Mađarska više, nego je sad to Hrvatska, ali MIlanović ih je zajebao neevidentiranjem... Zaista, gomila besmisla u samo par dana...

[Krošek]

Neverovatna budalaština... Znači, ljudi ne mogu da uđu kroz Srbju u Mađarsku, ali mogu kroz Hrvatsku.

 

 

ma nije to uopste budalastina nego milanoviceva ili cija vec genijalnost - diverzija, znaci koridor PREMA SLOVENIJI a ono zapravo prema madjarskoj hee hee

 

bez ograde, kako ce ih zaustaviti, jel kao makedonci? to pa puta 10 sad zamisli te scene

[Boycie]

Neverovatna budalaština... Znači, ljudi ne mogu da uđu kroz Srbju u Mađarsku, ali mogu kroz Hrvatsku.

 

Kontam da je fora da zemlja ulaska u EU nije Mađarska više, nego je sad to Hrvatska, ali MIlanović ih je zajebao neevidentiranjem... Zaista, gomila besmisla u samo par dana...

Pa kada je Mađarska dostigla level Idiokratije drugačije ponašanje se ne može očekivati.

[Marcus Wulffings]

 

15:50 Do 15 sati u Republiku Hrvatsku ušlo je 15 400 migranata, javio je MUP.

15:47 Mađari će dio izbjeglica prevesti do granice s Austrijom. Mađarska vojska i policija rasporedile su se na mađarskoj strani granice s Hrvatskom kod sela Beremend. Mađarska policija počela je zatim ukrcavati izbjeglice u mađarske autobuse u Beremendu nakon što su oni izašli iz hrvatskih, javio je Reuters.

 

 

ccc, ovako može, ali ne i preko srbije, eeeee

[Marcus Wulffings]

 

 

Mađarski su vojnici u dva vozila "humvee" naoružani strojnicama zauzeli položaje na graničnom prijelazu dok su se izbjeglice iskrcavale iz hrvatskih autobusa.

 

šta će im ti organi represije???

[Krošek]

slovenci se dozvali isto

https://twitter.com/hkresic/status/644879682836541440

#Slovenia also started to letting groups of #refugees enter from #Croatia, cca 300 are crossing the Bregana border.

 

edit:

šta će im ti organi represije???

 

nisi cuo da su teroristu uhvatili nekidan?

Edited September 18, 2015 by Krošek

[Marcus Wulffings]

 

 

Mađarska bijesna: Ne razgovaramo s Hrvatskom, dižemo ogradu i vojsku

 

Mađarska ne razgovara s Hrvatskom. I prije nego što je izbjeglički val krenuo, mađarsko-hrvatski politički odnosi pali su na nisku razinu i ne vidim nikakvu potrebu za razgovorima bilo koje vrste prije parlamentarnih izbora. Izjavio je to mađarski ministar vanjskih poslova Peter Szijjarto na konferenciji za novinare u Budimpešti uoči odlaska u Beograd.

 

eeeee

[Marcus Wulffings]

slovenci se dozvali isto

 

edit:

 

nisi cuo da su teroristu uhvatili nekidan?

 

 

baš će ih prestrašiti sa dva hamvija i mitraljezima u tri lepe majčine;

 

sudeći po onoj tučnjavi u belom manastiru, utisak mi je da su očajni ali i prgavi i bezobrazni čim imaju toliko snage

[Marcus Wulffings]

 

 

Mađarska bijesna: Ne razgovaramo s Hrvatskom, dižemo ogradu i vojsku

 

Mađarska ne razgovara s Hrvatskom. I prije nego što je izbjeglički val krenuo, mađarsko-hrvatski politički odnosi pali su na nisku razinu i ne vidim nikakvu potrebu za razgovorima bilo koje vrste prije parlamentarnih izbora. Izjavio je to mađarski ministar vanjskih poslova Peter Szijjarto na konferenciji za novinare u Budimpešti uoči odlaska u Beograd.

 

pričakamo tisoč beguncev, a već smo trista primili, što preko zelene meje, što preko sutle

[Muwan]

Čekaj, ovog nacističkog veleizaslanika će neko da primi na visokom nivou u Beogradu? Neće mu niko reći da može da dođe kada bude počelo skidanje one ograde? Zemljo Indijo, biće dobro ako ne bude još on udarao vaspitne ovom našem nervno labilnom narcisu. 

[InvisibleLight]

Čekaj, ovog nacističkog veleizaslanika će neko da primi na visokom nivou u Beogradu? Neće mu niko reći da može da dođe kada bude počelo skidanje one ograde? Zemljo Indijo, biće dobro ako ne bude još on udarao vaspitne ovom našem nervno labilnom narcisu. 

sastanak sa stefanovicem

mogu misliti kako ce nas mali da se u potaji divi odlucnom madzaru 

[Marcus Wulffings]

pa i vulin može da šejpuje svoje lideršip skils