Sloboda govora - da li postoji granica?

[Leia]

Noz-zica-srebrenica je vrlo jasan poziv na nasilje. Negiranje holokausta isto za posledicu ima mogucnost reborna najuzasnije ideologije sveta. Kako uspevate da to strpate u karikature koje podjebavaju ljude i pojave ja ne znam.

 

kruzi teorija da su to sve neke demode svetinje, i muhamed, i srebrenica, i holokaust, i isus, i spajdermen.

valjda tako izgleda kad neko pokusava da bude openminded al bez upotrebe logickog rasudjivanja.

[ToniAdams]

Pazi, ovo s jebanjem dece mozda i nije neki argument  :)

 

Helen of Anjou  :P

cuj, i ta skvadra mi je podjednako gadna i devijantna

[Gandalf]

Pazi, ovo s jebanjem dece mozda i nije neki argument  :)

ma, stvar je u tome da tu bas i nisu cista posla.

 

Ajsino godiste je u dato u Bukhari hadisima. na osnovu par drugih izvora i tumacenja (citirano gore), ispada da je mozda imala 13, 14, a mozda i svih 18 ili 19 godina u vreme udaje.

[namenski]

cuj, i ta skvadra mi je podjednako gadna i devijantna

Ma zezam se, jebes ga, vidis da ova prica ode u 3 komada onoga.

 

 

Edit, @Gandalf: dzaba prica na tu i slicne teme, sva je prilika da 12, 13, 14, 15, 16..., godina nije bilo isto tad i sad, politika na stranu.

Obaska sto po istocnoj Srbiji i danas imas babe stare 30-ak godina.

Edited January 13, 2015 by namenski

[Lrd]

nope, vatikanska podmetacina.

 

 

Ah, da, flejm i ironija, to dobija svaku diskusiju.

 

Si ucio ti istoriju u skoli, majke ti?

 

Jesam, razne škole. Kakve to veze ima? Idi malo proguglaj o Muhamedu iz istorijskog ugla, pa kad nađeš nešto istorijski relevantno, javi se. Sačekaću.

 

[bigvlada]

Pazi, ovo s jebanjem dece mozda i nije neki argument  :)

 

Helen of Anjou  :P

 Imamo mi i boljih primera. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonida

[bigvlada]

South Korea deports US woman accused of praising North Korea

California resident Shin Eun-mi ‘violated national security’ by saying some defectors want to return and complimenting taste of beer and rivers’ cleanliness


theguardian.com, Saturday 10 January 2015 14.24 GMT

Shin Eun-mi departed the country on a flight to the US on Saturday, a South Korean immigration official. But Shin said she hopes to be able to return to both Koreas. Photograph: Park Ji-ho/AP

A Korean-American woman accused of praising North Korea in a recent lecture was deported from South Korea on Saturday, in the latest in a series of cases that critics say infringe on the country’s freedom of speech.

The Korea Immigration Service decided to deport Shin Eun-mi, a California resident, after prosecutors determined that her comments violated South Korea’s national security law, agency official Kim Du-yeol said.

Shin departed the country on a flight to the US on Saturday evening, an immigration official said on condition of anonymity, citing department rules. Shin said she hopes to be able to return to both Koreas.

The Korean Peninsula remains technically in a state of war, split along the world’s most heavily fortified border, because the 1950-53 Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty. In South Korea, praising North Korea can be punished by up to seven years in prison under the National Security Law.

In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Shin had been barred from exiting South Korea for three weeks, and the US has seen reports indicating the prosecution has asked for her to be deported and banned from the country for five years.

In a rare note of criticism of a key ally, Psaki said that despite South Korea’s generally strong record on human rights, the security law limits freedom of expression and restricts access to the internet.

Supporters argue that the law is needed because of continuing threats from North Korea. But critics want it scrapped. Past authoritarian leaders in South Korea frequently used the law to suppress political rivals.

Shin posted stories about her trips to North Korea on OhmyNews, a popular South Korean online news site. Her book on her trips was included in a government-designated reading list in 2013, but the Culture Ministry removed it this week. Ministry officials said they will seek to retrieve 1,200 copies that were distributed to libraries across South Korea.

During a November lecture in Seoul, Shin said many North Korean defectors living in South Korea had told her they want to go back home and that North Koreans hope new leader Kim Jong Un will bring change. She also praised the taste of North Korean beer and the cleanliness of North Korea’s rivers.

Shin has said she had no intention of praising the country and was only expressing what she felt during her travels there.

Conservatives have sided with government moves to expel Shin, accusing her of ignoring North Korea’s abysmal human rights conditions. But her impending deportation drew sharp criticism from liberals who say the conservative government of President Park Geun-hye is clamping down on freedom of speech.

“The decision to deport her is a clear violation of human rights,” the Hankyoreh newspaper said in an editorial Friday. “The government is taking the lead in trampling on human rights.”

At the United Nations, the deputy spokesman for Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, Farhan Haq, told reporters: “The secretary-general’s position on freedom of expression and freedom of opinion is well known. ... That would apply here as well.” Ban is South Korean.

In October, prosecutors indicted a Japanese journalist on charges he defamed Park by reporting rumors that she was absent for seven hours on the day of a ferry disaster last April because she was with a man. Last month, the Constitutional Court ordered the dissolution of a small leftist party that officials say advocated a North Korean-style socialist system.

In December, a high school student threw a homemade explosive device toward a podium where Shin was speaking, injuring two people. Shin was not injured. The student was sent to a juvenile detention center and is awaiting trial.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/korea-deports-us-woman-accused-praising-north-korea

 

Za promenu, južnokorejsko ludilo. Ako kažeš da su u Severnoj Koreji reke čiste i da prave dobro pivo, bivaš deportovan. 

[Radoye]

Noz-zica-srebrenica je vrlo jasan poziv na nasilje. Negiranje holokausta isto za posledicu ima mogucnost reborna najuzasnije ideologije sveta. Kako uspevate da to strpate u karikature koje podjebavaju ljude i pojave ja ne znam. 

kruzi teorija da su to sve neke demode svetinje, i muhamed, i srebrenica, i holokaust, i isus, i spajdermen.

valjda tako izgleda kad neko pokusava da bude openminded al bez upotrebe logickog rasudjivanja.

 

What Leia says.

[Radoye]

Interesantno:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/13/living/muslims-respond-hebdo/

 

 

Many Muslims object to any depictions of Mohammed -- respectful or not -- saying that such images defy his teachings and lead to idolatry.

...

There's nothing in the Quran, Islam's primary text, about depicting the prophet. But according to the hadith, stories and sayings attributed to Mohammed and his companions, he discouraged Muslims from making images of him.

 

"Discouraged from making images of him" je svetlosnim godinama daleko od "encouraged to destroy images of him and kill those who created them". Interesuje me kako zaista glasi ta formulacija u originalu i kako su o nje stigli do totalne zabrane prikazivanja bilo kakvih ljudskih likova da bi se izbegla idolatrija. Ovako kako je ovde interpretirano deluje maltene kao da Muhamed nije zeleo da bude slavan & poznat a desilo se upravo suprotno?

[yolo]

evo erdogan ko gandalf

 

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan accused the West on Monday of hypocrisy for its stance over the attack on Charlie Hebdo and the hostage-taking at a kosher supermarket in which four Jews were killed, while failing to condemn anti-Muslim acts in Europe. "The West's hypocrisy is obvious. As Muslims, we've never taken part in terrorist massacres. Behind these lie racism, hate speech and Islamophobia," he said.

[Gandalf]

Jahan Alom‏@JahanAlom

Does my #FreedomOfSpeech allow me to say this about #CharlieHebdo?

 

(smatrajte se upozorenim, nece vam se svideti)

Edited January 13, 2015 by Gandalf

[Gandalf]

evo erdogan ko gandalf

[ToniAdams]

 

Jahan Alom‏@JahanAlom

Does my #FreedomOfSpeech allow me to say this about #CharlieHebdo?

 

(smatrajte se upozorenim, nece vam se svideti)

 

fakat je neukusno, i nema bas previse veze sa satirom

 

edit - mislim i na originalnu naslovnicu

Edited January 13, 2015 by ToniAdams

[braca]

samo što on ne može ni da pomisli da mu bane neki maskirani atesita naoružan do zuba urlajući "nema boga"... 

[Braća Strugacki]

Sve te paralele koje se vuku na silu me podsećaju na način kako je branjen Klaus Barbie.

 

Verže je bar imao stila.