Šarli Ebdo

[borris_]

 

Amedi, 27 ans, rencontre Sarkozy cet après-midiIl a passé toute sa vie dans le quartier de la Grande-Borne à Grigny et il rencontrera aujourd'hui Nicolas Sarkozy. Amedi Coulibaly, 27 ans, travaille en contrat de professionnalisation à l'usine Coca-Cola de sa ville natale.

 

 

Accompagné de neuf autres personnes, comme lui en formation en alternance, il va rendre visite au président de la République, qui souhaite rencontrer des entreprises engagées en faveur de l'emploi des jeunes. 

« A la limite, si le président peut aider à me faire embaucher »

« Cela me fait plaisir, souriait hier Amedi. Je ne sais pas ce que je vais lui dire. Déjà, je vais commencer par Bonjour ! » Il lui racontera surtout son parcours professionnel, son poste actuel, qui se termine le 30 septembre. « A la limite, si le président peut aider à me faire embaucher… », souffle-t-il. Mais la mission d'Amedi ne s'arrêtera pas à un simple salut et à raconter son histoire. Unique garçon entouré de neuf soeurs, il est chargé de rapporter de nombreux « autographes et photos pour la famille ! ». Il risque d'être intimidé par le protocole. « A Grigny, nous n'avons pas l'habitude d'aller souvent à l'Elysée. Les réceptions, je ne connais pas, déclare-t-il. En plus, dans les cités, auprès des jeunes, Sarkozy n'est pas vraiment très populaire. Mais cela n'a rien de personnel. En fait, c'est le cas de la majorité despolitiques. » Mais pas question pour lui de revendiquer quoi que ce soit une fois en face de Nicolas Sarkozy : « Le rencontrer en vrai, c'est impressionnant. Qu'on l'aime ou pas, c'est quand même le président. »

 

Znao sam da je Sarkozy kriv. :D

 

Covjek upoznao Sarkozy-a i otisao u teroriste.

[Dionysos]

хенити је ђубре који је довео ово друго ђубре у емисију и дискутује са њим као да је он представник свих муслимана на свету - ево видите то је ислам, они би све да нас побију ако им се не приклонимо, то потпиривање мржње је баш нешто што је јако корисно у овом тренутку

[yolo]

drugi text koji kacim kao nekakav common sense odgovor na ono sto pisu zagovornici apsolutnih sloboda. sazetak je ovo:

Free speech, however, is not a toy. It is a responsibility, a compact, which democracy presupposes we are mature enough to use justly. We are called on as citizens not to use our rights for bacchanals of self-indulgence and emotional expectoration, but to do the work of maintaining society.

What does it mean when we see words as weapons that we have no responsibility to use ethically?

The worst thing we could do in the wake of this massacre is to wrap ourselves in knots defending free speech in the abstract while finishing the work of terrorists by torching what is left of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

BY KATHERINE CROSS • @QUINNAE_MOON • 21 HOURS AGO

JE NE SUIS PAS CHARLIE: ON THE CHARLIE HEBDO MASSACRE AND DUELLING EXTREMISMS

What happened to the staff of Charlie Hebdo yesterday sent a chill down my spine, as I imagine it must have to anyone who makes a living on the world’s opinion pages. 

The outpouring of grief over the senseless slaughter of twelve people, gunned down as they worked, seems to have brought a vast, diverse public together, united in condemnation of violence let loose over words and images. These murders are understandably being seen as an attack on free expression; if nothing else, this tragedy is considerably more serious than the last free speech martyr we collectively anointed, in the form of a dreadful Seth Rogen film.

But the ever lingering threat, already rapidly swelling up in commentary online around the world, is that of an equally violent reactionary backlash that — unlike Islamic extremists — cloaks itself in the lofty rhetoric of democracy and liberty. #KillAllMuslims trended on Twitter as people clamored to spread and defend Charlie Hebdo’s many inarguably racist caricatures of Muslims, as well as its often puerile humor — in one case depicting the schoolgirls captured by Boko Haram as welfare queens (see below) — while braying for the death, deportation, and bombing of anyone perceived to be Muslim; as we go to press, mosques in France have been attacked, likely in retaliation. All this screaming beneath a banner of “Free Speech.”

“The sex slaves of Boko Haram are angry. ‘Don’t touch our child benefits!'” This is what ‘punching down’ looks like.

The stakes here are unaccountably high; unlike in the shameful carnival of chest-beating that attended The Interview, lives were actually lost. But what both cases have in common is an impoverished idea of free speech that is actually anathema to a democratic society, makes idols of art that should be up for discussion, and threatens to make a mockery of the very ideals people claim to be defending now.

Simply put, by making untouchable martyrs out of the slain Charlie Hebdo writers and artists, and belittling the longstanding concerns many have had about the newspaper’s history of racism, we compound the tragedy and do further violence to free expression. Terrorism’s chilling effect requires the complicity of a public that uses its collective power to do what no number of bullets or bombs ever could: in this case, the reaction of many to the shootings will further restrict free speech, coarsen debate, and leave ethnic minorities — especially Muslims — in a compromised position whence they can’tspeak freely, under threat of violence or oppression.

It starts with the well-meaning “Je Suis Charlie” (I am Charlie) slogan that many lent their names to in a show of support and sympathy for the newspaper, its remaining staff, and those who grieve.

I support the sentiment, the empathy, the compassion that the slogan represents at its best (even if many are using it as a cover to spread Islamophobia as a misguided form of protest against Islamic extremism). But the simple fact is, I am not Charlie. I couldn’t be. Rather, I’m the sort of person who’d only ever get to be an ugly, rude caricature in their pages — a trans woman, a Latina, Puerto Rican but in the same community of Latinos scapegoated for various and sundry evils in the US, much as Muslims are in France. I’d never be the one wieldingthe pen, merely the lewd, pornographic subject and nothing more. I’d be fit for only the consumption of a privileged community, their joke, an unwilling jester. No, je ne suis pas Charlie.

Holding these ideas in tension — the recognition of the unnecessary prejudice of many Charlie offerings, and respecting those who were lost — is part of the challenge many of us face going forward.

I do not say that to disrespect the dead, but to add to the necessary proliferation of speech that must follow on from such a tragedy. Indeed, in cases like these there is a tragic irony to the invocation of liberty as a bloodied flag to drape one’s self in: we defend free speech in the abstract but loudly shout it down in the specific, precisely because it may challenge the powerful, or at least afflict a comfortable orthodoxy. It becomes its own form of religious extremism; every non-Muslim Westerner who ever rolled their eyes at Islamic extremists going on about their “martyrs” should take stock of just what it is they’re invoking when they call the victims of Wednesday’s shooting by that name.

In addition to this, there is a deep immaturity in the shouting down of critique here. To write, draw, create, or opine is to enter a congress of discourse. It is a conversation, often an acrimonious one, but it is what the life of creative work consists of. Whatever one’s feelings on the Hebdo cartoons and editorial line, the staff not only had a right to publish it, but the society and culture in which they intervened had (and retains) a right to reply. To do otherwise, to freeze these slain writers and cartoonists in amber upon a pedestal is to actually disrespect them and their work, to pull it from the stream of discourse that is the life essence of creative work.

It also makes these murders into perversely unassailable positive reviews — as if the slaughter proves the veracity of the comics’ content or their moral rectitude beyond all doubt. As if all debate should die with the victims. More perverse still to challenge “political correctness” by holding Charlie Hebdo forever above criticism whilst standing on a platform built over its staff’s freshly dug graves. Free speech and inquiry this ain’t.

There is no sin in debating an artistic creation, and I use the term “sin” advisedly here. When I spoke on this issue on Twitter yesterday one man accused me of justifying the murders, falsely claiming that I’d argued that the slain writers and cartoonists “had it coming.” This sort of bad faith was compounded by the same individual spreading Islamophobic propaganda; free speech for him, but not for anyone who treats Charlie Hebdo as anything less than pristine (something I suspect their irreverent staff would have found quite laughable). And certainly no free speech for Muslims who are loudly expected to do nothing but “condemn” this atrocity, and then make no other meaningful contribution to this discussion.

To question this narrow reading of free speech is, indeed, to find one’s self with no right to speak whatsoever, ironically. But you do no honor to those who made their lives creating and criticizing if you then make them “sacred” and untouchable.

“To arms, comrades!” For those who often bear the brunt of propagandistic hate-mongering in political cartoons this can seem threatening in a way its authors may not have intended.

The old saw about pens and swords comes to mind, as does my regrettable high school yearbook quote: “My keyboard is my sword.” Words are weapons, and as a Spanish cartoon made clear yesterday (see above), it’s an idea that many in the press seize on with great fervor.

But we seem to acknowledge this while also disclaiming responsibility, as if the words themselves are at once weapons and harmless, deadly and yet also mere toys. Free speech, however, is not a toy. It is a responsibility, a compact, which democracy presupposes we are mature enough to use justly. We are called on as citizens not to use our rights for bacchanals of self-indulgence and emotional expectoration, but to do the work of maintaining society.

What does it mean when we see words as weapons that we have no responsibility to use ethically?

The worst thing we could do in the wake of this massacre is to wrap ourselves in knots defending free speech in the abstract while finishing the work of terrorists by torching what is left of it.

Edited January 9, 2015 by yolo

[mlatko]

Samo da u svoj toj konfuziji i nervozi ne izrokaju nekog nesrećnika koji im se učini previše sumnjivim. Stvar je već i previše eskalirala.

Pa da, sad se već mnogi ogradjuju od njih. Npr. prekjuče u metrou jedan nesrecnik je na arapskom tako vikao pričajuci sa nekim na telefonu da su ljudi poceli da se sklanjaju u druge vagone. Ne sumnjam da je bila u pitanju neka lična stvar ili tragedija ali prvo što proleti kroz glavu u takvom trenutku je: šta on to ima u torbi?? Njima se isto pocinje u ovakvim danima činiti da su svi protiv njih i da nema smisla život. Znamo to osećanje iz 99, ne? I šta sad, treba bombardovati i dalje? Raspirivati vatru, preseći? Ne radi se o vaspitavanju dece na PPD, već o sukobu mentaliteta koji se sa druge strane čita kao demonkratizacija. Milijardu ljudi treba da sensibilizujemo da imamo pravo da budemo jackass?

[Ravanelli]

skynews uživo sa oba mesta događaja

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlQJbsVs48

 

 

 

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хенити је ђубре који је довео ово друго ђубре у емисију и дискутује са њим као да је он представник свих муслимана на свету - ево видите то је ислам, они би све да нас побију ако им се не приклонимо, то потпиривање мржње је баш нешто што је јако корисно у овом тренутку

da, slažem se u potpunosti. zato samo i rekao "užasan klip"

Edited January 9, 2015 by Ravanelli

[malkin]

daj gazzo link za prvi tekst, teško se čita ovako formatiran.

 

edit. a ok, našo.

Edited January 9, 2015 by malkin

[Ravanelli]

jbt koje ludilo. izgleda da ovi iz pariza prete da će pobiti taoce ako naude braći koji drže taoce u damartinu 

[Takeshi]

kako su svi brze-bolje potrcali da se pozabave svojim first world problemima. cemu sluze satira i humor i gde joj je mesto u drustvu.

pocetak je spektakularan, kaze autor charlie hebdo bi bio odmah zabranjen na univerzitetima u americi, da se slucajno tamo stampa.

 

postupak koji upravo koriste i fundamentalisti, delo nastalo iz jednog konteksta (francuska, pariz, satiricna tradicija, levica...) ubacuju u drugi, i tamo ga vrednuju.

 

 

I Am Not Charlie Hebdo

 

The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

 

[braca]

a jel moze malo da se oladi sa tim bljutavim "ja nisam Charlie" relativizatorima?

[Muwan]

Jesu li na kraju dvoje u Parizu tj da li je lik solo u prodavnici ili je i ona mučenica sa njim?

[braca]

Prevod : Ako se ne predate, nas crtac ce karikaturisati proroka..

Edited January 9, 2015 by braca

[Ravanelli]

Jesu li na kraju dvoje u Parizu tj da li je lik solo u prodavnici ili je i ona mučenica sa njim?

dvoje, po sky news

Edited January 9, 2015 by Ravanelli

[borris_]

Jesu li na kraju dvoje u Parizu tj da li je lik solo u prodavnici ili je i ona mučenica sa njim?

 

Le monde kaze da je lik solo ali nista nije potvrdjeno.

[frit]

ana otasevic na n1

trezveno

mladi muslimani pokusavaju da smire verbalne sukobe

[braca]

Jesu li na kraju dvoje u Parizu tj da li je lik solo u prodavnici ili je i ona mučenica sa njim?

 

kazu da je sam, poternicu sa oboje su objavili da bi nasli njega, to mu je zenska inace