Topola Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 "If you are waving an Islamic State [iS] flag, you are waving an exit ticket. Leave!" Eh, otkad je još Čiča2.0 ovo nagoveštavao... "A svaka ruka koja zavijori... itd". Realno, Roterdam kaska za nama jedno 24 godine. Link to comment
Budja Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Nisam ni sumnjao da ces naci nesto da kritikujes... Daj jos neki detalj o poredjenju sa targetom po Beogradu. To je bas bilo inteligentno. Asocijacija je toliko brutalna da bode oci. A neki drugi su vec rekli o vezi skupa drzavnika i slobode govora. Interesantan clanak na BBciju. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30790412 Paris attacks: ’I am not Charlie’French Muslims disgusted by the shootings in Paris may nonetheless have reasons for not embracing the slogan "I am Charlie". "For a Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad is more important than their own parents," says the young man I meet in Sarcelles, his face twisted with contempt for the caricatures Charlie Hebdo published. His friend, also 18, nods in agreement as we stand on a street in this Paris dormitory town, famous in France for its large Sephardic Jewish community. "They were warned but they kept on mocking the prophet," he continues. "But you cannot kill for that. You cannot go against press freedom in France. Still, they will have to answer to God." "Real Muslims condemn these attacks," adds a third man, 22 and also Muslim. "Those who committed them were insane. The attack on the kosher supermarket was a catastrophe for France and for the world. If you kill one man it is like you kill all of humanity. That is how we think." We stand chatting openly on the pavement but nobody wants to be identified. French values Mistrust of the media runs deep since an outburst of violence last July when police held rioters back from entering the town's Jewish area as they raged at Israel's bombardment of Gaza. An invisible line marks the beginning of the Jewish area on Avenue Paul Valery, scene of the confrontation with the police. It starts just before a Holocaust monument and a synagogue. There is no sign of trouble but it has been guarded by CRS riot police since last week. David, a kosher businessman I encounter, is so dismayed by the deterioration he perceives in community relations in France that he foresees a time when the "great majority" of its half-million or so Jews will emigrate. But the Muslim teenager accuses French media of exaggerating the divisions in Sarcelles, where Jews now make up about a quarter of the 60,000-strong population. "We say one thing, you might write another," he suggests, smiling. When I ask how he and his friends relate to the town's Jewish community, they say they have Jewish friends and "nothing has changed". "Mosques get attacked but that doesn't make the news," he adds. The older of the three speaks with real warmth of the French values of liberty, equality and fraternity which were schooled into him. "When I go on holiday to Morocco, I know I could never live there because people make me feel French," he says of his ancestral country. "But in France I am made to feel Moroccan," he adds. "Am I going up to the Jewish area?" asks the younger man. The Jews got the nice part of Sarcelles, he explains, a little sourly, while we got this, gesturing back to the long blocks of uniform five-storey council flats stretching down to the railway station. Actually, there was a time when Jewish immigrants from the former French colonies lived there themselves in numbers, and some Jews still do, but the demographic has changed. By the mosque near the station, old men sit and chat in Arabic. 'Provocations' A Tunisian Muslim pensioner I meet gives two reasons why he shunned Sunday's national unity march in Paris, while condemning the attacks. Like the teenagers, he is indignant at the cartoons Charlie Hebdo published: "It set out to provoke people for its own amusement. "It attacked their religion. Make fun of yourselves if you will, but leave others alone. The media is like a car: you need to have a licence to be on the road, otherwise you will be a danger to others. Charlie had no licence to put people's lives at risk with their provocations." His other reason is the presence at the march of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu whom he calls "the biggest terrorist in the world" because of the Gaza conflict. He insists he is not anti-Jewish, saying he had Jewish friends back in Tunisia. 'Nobody safe' Another Muslim pensioner I meet separately, a man from Morocco, says he has Jewish friends too, here in France, men he will "have a coffee or beer with". He takes a rather detached view of Charlie Hebdo, dismissing it as a fringe paper he never wanted to read. "But I am 200% in support of freedom of expression," he declares. More Muslims might have attended the march had they not felt "shame", he suggests, at the actions of gunmen claiming to defend Islam. "Muslims may also fear retaliation by jihadists if they take to the streets," he adds. He himself is uneasy after the attacks. "Nobody is safe now," he says before directing me to the nearest tram stop. As my tram glides out of Sarcelles, I reflect that I have not seen a single "I am Charlie" poster or pencil symbol since my arrival yet the quiet battle of ideas here is no less intense than in Paris itself. Link to comment
yolo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 meni ovaj novi snimak kompletno ludilo. ovi se našmrkali vrhunskog koksa ko pavijani pre akcije, ne znam kako bih inače opravdao ovakvu količinu samouverenosti i opuštencije. idu pandurska kola sa rotacijom na tebe a ti izađeš napolje i kreneš da rokaš po njima bez ikakvog zaklona. pa ovo je daleko luđe od bilo kakve filmske fikcije. Link to comment
Кристофер Лумумбо Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 edi rama http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-albanian-prime-minister-paid-a-classy-sartorial-tribute-at-the-charlie-hebdo-paris-rally-9971728.html Link to comment
duda Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 meni ovaj novi snimak kompletno ludilo. ovi se našmrkali vrhunskog koksa ko pavijani pre akcije, ne znam kako bih inače opravdao ovakvu količinu samouverenosti i opuštencije. idu pandurska kola sa rotacijom na tebe a ti izađeš napolje i kreneš da rokaš po njima bez ikakvog zaklona. pa ovo je daleko luđe od bilo kakve filmske fikcije. ovo je potpuno neverovatno policija maksimalno nespremna na ovako nešto doduše, razumljivo je, verovatno se radi o običnoj policijskoj patroli a ovi ludaci sa dugim cevima moraće nešto da se menja, definitivno, kad su samo dva ludaka u stanju da naprave totalni haos Link to comment
Hella Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) ne znam kako bih inače opravdao ovakvu količinu samouverenosti i opuštencije. adrenalinom ovako smo se mi puvali kad smo išli da se tabamo s mađarima na odmoru edi rama Edi Rama ✔ @ediramaalFollowMirenjohje te kater perfaqesuesve te klerit shqiptar qe sot mahniten Parisin dhe e ngriten Shqiperine ne piedestal! 6:29 PM - 11 Jan 2015 šta znači ovo Edited January 13, 2015 by Hella Link to comment
yolo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 edi rama http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-albanian-prime-minister-paid-a-classy-sartorial-tribute-at-the-charlie-hebdo-paris-rally-9971728.html ma moz da stavi sta hoce u svoj pdze kad imamo krleta da objasni Link to comment
Dagmar Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 meni ovaj novi snimak kompletno ludilo. ovi se našmrkali vrhunskog koksa ko pavijani pre akcije, ne znam kako bih inače opravdao ovakvu količinu samouverenosti i opuštencije. idu pandurska kola sa rotacijom na tebe a ti izađeš napolje i kreneš da rokaš po njima bez ikakvog zaklona. pa ovo je daleko luđe od bilo kakve filmske fikcije. Jel to onaj auto iz koga su ubili onog policajca na trotoaru? Link to comment
Time Crisis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 meni ovaj novi snimak kompletno ludilo. ovi se našmrkali vrhunskog koksa ko pavijani pre akcije, ne znam kako bih inače opravdao ovakvu količinu samouverenosti i opuštencije. idu pandurska kola sa rotacijom na tebe a ti izađeš napolje i kreneš da rokaš po njima bez ikakvog zaklona. pa ovo je daleko luđe od bilo kakve filmske fikcije. Teško da će jedna kola sa rotacijom, u kojima verovatno sede neki saobraćajci što reče Duda, da uplaše nekog ko je bez milosti ubio dvocifren broj ljudi Link to comment
braca Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Jel to onaj auto iz koga su ubili onog policajca na trotoaru? jeste Link to comment
yolo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 ovako se ne puca ni na paintballu Link to comment
Mr.Mxyzptlk Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 a od cega im je sjebano ovo zadnje staklo. pre ovoga su se prepucavali sa nekim? Link to comment
JozoMujica Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 meni ovaj novi snimak kompletno ludilo. ovi se našmrkali vrhunskog koksa ko pavijani pre akcije, ne znam kako bih inače opravdao ovakvu količinu samouverenosti i opuštencije. idu pandurska kola sa rotacijom na tebe a ti izađeš napolje i kreneš da rokaš po njima bez ikakvog zaklona. pa ovo je daleko luđe od bilo kakve filmske fikcije. Pa kad imaš kalašnjikove i panzerfaust protiv pandura sa pištoljčićima, verovatno prva patrola koja je stigla, bez opreme, a pri tome si lud, treniran, napunjen adrenalinom od prethodnih 10 ubistava i verovatno našmrkan ko Igi Pop, ovo je sasvim očekivano ponašanje. Link to comment
Krampa Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 novi heroji za geto sirotinju. nekada hiphop sada isis. Link to comment
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