Prospero Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) The High Cost of Defeating the Islamic State U.N.: A military defeat of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq could scatter extremists around the globe. By Colum Lynch Would the world be a safer place if the United States and its allies were to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria? Not necessarily, according to a U.N. Security Council counterterrorism monitoring team. Extremist fighters have proven remarkably adept over the past three decades at transforming themselves at the close of battles. Consider, for example, the case of al Qaeda, which had its roots in the Afghan mujahideen uprising in the late 1980s against Soviet forces in Afghanistan. The U.S.-led overthrow of the Afghan Taliban in 2001 in response to its harboring of Osama bin Laden served to unleash a new generation of jihadis that applied their skills on other battlefields, including Syria and Iraq. “The military defeat of ISIL in the Syrian Arab Republic and Iraq, which is not impossible in the medium term, could have the unintended consequence of scattering violent foreign terrorist fighters across the world, further complicating the response,” the U.N. monitoring team, headed by Alexander Evans, concluded in a report issued this week. “The strategic threat is even greater in 2015 and the years ahead.” The team estimated there are currently more than 25,000 so-called foreign terrorist fighters from 100 countries active in conflicts from Somalia to Syria. The vast majority of these fighters — more than 20,000 — are in Syria and Iraq, serving in a “veritable international finishing school” for violent extremists and defying U.S. and U.N. efforts to contain them. The personal relations developed among these connected, Internet-savvy jihadis in the Middle East conflict may be applied elsewhere. “Those who eat together and bond together can bomb together,” according to the report. “More than half the countries in the world are currently generating foreign terrorist fighters,” according to the Evans report. “The rate of flow is higher than ever, and mainly focused on movement into the Syrian Arab Republic and Iraq, with a growing problem also evident in Libya.” Many jihadis will return home from the wars in Syria and Iraq and put a life of violence behind them. But others will look to take up the fight elsewhere. There are already indications that some foreign fighters are moving on. “Since the beginning of 2015, there has even been a new reverse flow from the Middle East to Libya,” according to the report. “Libya is increasingly becoming a base for incoming fighters to receive military-style training” — including, the team concluded, in attack planning, evasion, bombing, and psychological warfare. The resilience of international jihadi movements underscores the challenges facing U.S. and U.N. policymakers as Jeh Johnson, the U.S. secretary for homeland security, attends a high-level meeting Friday, May 29, of the U.N. Security Council to coordinate the international response. The 15-nation council issues a statement urging countries to enforce border controls and plug other legal gaps that allow suspect terrorists to travel unimpeded across international borders. It registered it’s concern that only 51 of the U.N.’s 193 member states are using advancing information systems to screen passengers passing through their territories. “More than 22,000 foreign terrorist fighters from more than 100 nations have traveled to Syria since the beginning of the conflict there, including 4,000 from the West,” Johnson told the council. “More than 180 Americans have traveled or attempted to travel to Syria.” Johnson said states need to implement U.N. measures requiring the criminalization of travel by foreign terrorist fighters. They also need to impose tighter border controls, expand criminal investigations and prosecutions of extremist combatants, and counter the promotion of extremist ideology at home. The meeting — hosted by Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius, whose nation holds the Security Council presidency this month — comes six months after U.S. President Barack Obama chaired a September 2014 Security Council summit to adopt a resolution that criminalizes individuals planning to travel to war zones to engage in terrorist activities. Friday’s meeting in New York aims to take stock of the progress and setbacks the international community has faced since then. The meeting also highlight statements from U.N. counterterrorism officials, U.N. Deputy Secretary-General Jan Eliasson, and Interpol Secretary-General Jurgen Stock. In advance of the meeting, the Security Council’s Counter-Terrorism Committee Executive Directorate issued a separate report Thursday assessing the impact of U.N. efforts to confront extremism and identified several shortcomings. “There appears to be virtually no short-term possibility of ending certain threats” by the Islamic State, al-Nusra Front, and other al Qaeda inspired extremist organizations, according to the directorate’s report. “A significant long-term risk will derive from ‘alumni’ foreign terrorist fighters upon their return to their own countries or upon their arrival to third countries.” The movements “will not be fully geographically contained,” the 30-page report concluded. The directorate — which surveyed 21 countries — found that only a handful of countries had complied with Security Council demands to adopt laws criminalizing the planning or preparation of terrorist acts committed in another state. Only five of those countries require advance information about the identity of entering travelers. “In visa-free or visa-upon arrival regimes, such systems may offer the only meaningful way to identify potential foreign terrorist fighters,” the directorate’s report found. And only one country — which was not identified in the report — tracks transiting passengers without going through customs. The directorate “considers that to be a global systemic shortfall which should be addressed as a matter of urgency,” the report said. But human rights advocates claimed that the Security Council’s approach to battling terrorism has infringed on human rights. “Every time the Security Council has passed a binding counterterrorism resolution since 9/11, a wave of draconian counter-terrorism laws has followed,” said Letta Tayler, a senior researcher on human rights and counterterrorism at Human Rights Watch. “States have not only violated suspects’ rights with these laws, they also have used them to quash legitimate dissent and target ethnic and religious groups,” she said. Tayler urged the Security Council to make clear that human rights must be respected, even as states crack down on terror traffic. “Foreign fighters legislation that tramples on rights is not only unlawful, it will also backfire,” she said. http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/29/the-high-cost-of-defeating-the-islamic-state/ Edited May 30, 2015 by Prospero
Lord Protector Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Libijska vlada ponovo traži pomoć u borbi protiv Islamske državeBeta | 31. 05. 2015. Libijska vlada koja je međunarodno priznata ponovo je juče zatražila pomoć u borbi protiv Islamske države, upozoravajući da bi džihadisti mogli da zauzmu naftna polja kod Sirta. Libijski islamisti "Vlada poziva međunarodnu zajednicu da joj isporuči oružje i uputi vojnike kao bi se borila protiv Islamske države", navodi se u saopštenju i dodaje da libijske snage "čine sve da preuzmu grad Sirt". Džihadisti su u petak zauzeli međunarodni aerodrom u Sirtu, nakon što su se u četvrtak uveče povukle libijske snage. Vazduhoplovna baza Al Kardabija, u kojoj se nalazi međunarodni aerodrom, postao je prvi aerodrom koji je zauzela Islamska država u Libiji. Džihadisti koji su prošle godine ušli u Libiju, u februaru su pogubili grupu egipatskih Kopta koji su radili u Libiji. Islamska država od početka godine kontroliše delove kod Sirta. U Libiji vlada haos posle svrgavanja i ubistva dugogodišnjeg libijskog lidera Moamera el Gadafija. Libija je podeljena između međunarodno priznate vlade sa sedištem u Tobruku, na istoku, i druge vlade u Tripoliju, koju podržavaju islamski pobunjenici. Edited May 31, 2015 by slow
stooler Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) O prevaziđenosti religije u državnom uređenju možda drugi put, ali ovo boldovano prosto i jednostavno nije tačno. To pod jedan, pod dva, "tradicionalne porodične uloge" je sintagma koja je jako opasna, jer prvo pojam tradicionalna porodica nije nešto što desničari širom sveta zamišljaju da jeste i porodica i njen izgled su se tokom vekova i milenijuma konstantno menjali, ali to je možda za drugu temu. Ovo Skandinaviji je prosipanje umišljotina koji se nisu makli dalje od svog sela. Тебе нико не спречава да и даље живиш у свом свету и просипаш своје умишљотине како би објаснио зашто млади људи, од којих нису сви ни одгајани као муслимани, напуштају своје угодне животе у којима их нико не тишти а још мање спречава да воде стопостотно халал егзистенцију, јесу спремни да оставе кости у туђој пустињи водећи рат против иновераца и суседних племена, у броју који је немогуће занемарити, са толиким успехом против удружених светских оружаних снага. Edited June 1, 2015 by stooler
stooler Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Nema sanse da nadjem gde sam to citao, ali bio je neki dal americki dal britanski clanak o Iraku gde se pominjalo da se plate drzavanim sluzbenicima u Mosulu i dalje na razne nacine dopremaju iz Bagdada Невероватни су ти клијентелизми арапских државица, ја сам чуо исту ствар за Асадову Сирију која има далеко мање приходе од једног Ирака. Edited June 1, 2015 by stooler
Lrd Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Тебе нико не спречава да и даље живиш у свом свету и просипаш своје умишљотине како би објаснио зашто млади људи, од којих нису сви ни одгајани као муслимани, напуштају своје угодне животе у којима их нико не тишти а још мање спречава да воде стопостотно халал егзистенцију, јесу спремни да оставе кости у туђој пустињи водећи рат против иновераца и суседних племена, у броју који је немогуће занемарити, са толиким успехом против удружених светских оружаних снага. Ti si napisao ovo: Скандинавији не да се потискују традиционалне породичне улоге него се често сам појам рода (и родитељства) обесмишљава као неприродни изум патријархалних мрачњака. Što činjenično nije tačno. I na to si odgovorio ništa.
stooler Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Вероватно јер Скандинавија овде није тема и јер је то само успутна фуснота моје претпоставке. Осим наравно ако мој хипотетички каузалитет јесте тачан па можда имамо објашњење за мистерију зашто би у толиком броју напуштали скандинавско (или тачније северноевропско) друштво благостања ради силовања Језидкиња и убијања асирских беба. http://rt.com/news/250561-assad-scandinavia-dangerous-isis/ Edited June 1, 2015 by stooler
Bustin Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Вероватно јер Скандинавија овде није тема и јер је то само успутна фуснота моје претпоставке. Осим наравно ако мој хипотетички каузалитет јесте тачан па можда имамо објашњење за мистерију зашто би у толиком броју напуштали скандинавско (или тачније северноевропско) друштво благостања ради силовања Језидкиња и убијања асирских беба. http://rt.com/news/250561-assad-scandinavia-dangerous-isis/ Nemam pojma na koji nacin si doveo svoju tezu i ovaj podatak u direktnu vezu. mislim ima milion drugih razloga koji su ocigledni tipa neintegrisanost, ksenofobija, kulturne razlike, u krajnjem slucai i nezainteresovanost u tadicionalnu porodicu dosljaka i potpuno ignorisanje problema razlicitog odgoja koje je kulminisalo ovim belajem po krampinom kraju... a ti zavrsi sa totalno nebuloznom teorijom o potiskivanju tradicionalne porodice u skandinaviji...
Lrd Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Nemam pojma na koji nacin si doveo svoju tezu i ovaj podatak u direktnu vezu Therefore, aliens. Inače, ofanziva na Ramadi je očekivani raspad, a ISIS nastavlja da se širi po Siriji. http://news.yahoo.com/suicide-attack-iraq-police-kills-least-37-officers-131318624.html;_ylt=AwrC2Q51lWxVDRwAmm3QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- Baghdad (AFP) - A huge suicide attack on an Iraqi police base killed at least 37 people Monday as an operation against the Islamic State group continued but looked far from retaking Ramadi. In Syria, the jihadists kept expanding their self-proclaimed caliphate after weekend gains against both government forces and rival rebels. A suicide bomber blew up his explosives-laden vehicle at a police base in Iraq's Salaheddin province, killing at least 37 people and wounding more than 30, officers said. "They are mostly policemen," said a doctor at the main hospital in the nearby city of Samarra where the casualties were brought. Some police officers said the suicide attacker used a tank to muscle his way into the police base, located between Samarra and Tharthar lake, northwest of Baghdad. The area is being used as part of a military operation aimed at cutting off the Islamic State group's supply lines in the Anbar province of western Iraq. IS fighters have in the past year seized a formidable arsenal of military vehicles, weapons and ammunition from retreating Iraqi forces. Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Sunday that Iraq had lost 2,300 Humvee armoured vehicles during the fall of second city Mosul a year ago. The jihadists' latest haul came on May 17 when they captured Ramadi, the capital of Anbar which government and allied tribal fighters had managed to defend for more than 12 months. The debacle of the security forces prompted Abadi to call in the Hashed al-Shaabi, an umbrella organisation which includes Iran-backed Shiite militias that Baghdad and Washington had been reluctant to involve in the Sunni bastion of Anbar. - IS gains in Syria - A counteroffensive was launched but Iraqi forces have either stopped on the outskirts of Ramadi or focused efforts on outlying areas in and around Anbar to sever the jihadists' supply lines. IS used an unprecedented number of massive truck bombs to blast its way to government strongholds in Ramadi and it has continued to unleash suicide vehicle-borne bombs on a daily basis since. Abadi vowed after the stinging setback he suffered in Ramadi that his troops would wrest it back within days, but he has also admitted the truck bombs were keeping government forces from entering the city. The capture of Ramadi coincided with IS' takeover of Palmyra in Syria, in what appeared to swing the momentum in the jihadists' favour after months on the back foot. On Monday, IS advanced towards Marea, a village between Aleppo and the Turkish border. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said IS expanded its control in Aleppo province at the weekend, at the expense of rival rebel groups. The jihadists also gained ground in northeastern Syria, where a suicide bomber killed "at least nine regime loyalists" near Hasakeh, the Observatory said. IS also ousted government forces from areas in the central province of Homs. "The road is now open (for IS) from Palmyra to Anbar province in Iraq, without any obstacles," said activist Mohammed Hassan al-Homsi. - Rising death toll - Geographer and analyst Fabrice Balanche said that across Iraq and Syria, the jihadist group now controlled nearly 300,000 square kilometres (115,000 square miles), an area the size of Italy. The multiple offensives by IS resulted in a surge of casualties across Syria and Iraq in May. The Observatory said it had recorded the deaths of at least 6,657 people last month, the highest number this year. In Iraq, the health governorate in Anbar reported at least 102 civilian deaths in May alone. The United Nations said even partial figures not covering the areas worst affected by conflict showed more at least 665 civilians were killed last month. Aid agencies are preparing to launch a fundraising appeal for half a billion dollars for the crisis in Iraq, UNICEF said. "Five hundred million is really the bare minimum. We're cutting it down to the bare bone," said Philippe Heffinck, the representative of the UN's children's agency in Iraq. According to the UN, 2.9 million people have been displaced by violence in Iraq since the start of 2014 and almost four times as many have been forced from their homes in Syria since the conflict started there more than four years ago.
steins Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Irak je kolateralna šteta. Čeka se da ovi roknu Asada u Siriji pa će onda da ih smrve. Dotle će im dati i ceo Irak ako treba.
stooler Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Nemam pojma na koji nacin si doveo svoju tezu i ovaj podatak u direktnu vezu. mislim ima milion drugih razloga koji su ocigledni tipa neintegrisanost, ksenofobija, kulturne razlike, u krajnjem slucai i nezainteresovanost u tadicionalnu porodicu dosljaka i potpuno ignorisanje problema razlicitog odgoja koje je kulminisalo ovim belajem po krampinom kraju... a ti zavrsi sa totalno nebuloznom teorijom o potiskivanju tradicionalne porodice u skandinaviji... Истини за вољу сам написао много више од тога али зар је битно? Поштујем твоје право да будеш антипротиван и да објашњаваш успех ИД у томе што су муслимански имигранти боље интегрисани у британском него ли ирском друштву, да се сусрећу са више ксенофобије у Финској него Шпанији или да им је америчка култура ближа од аустралијске... Јер њиховом животу ИД и џихад дају виши смисао од селфија, праћења никад површнијих маскултурних идола, сликања оброка и качења статуса "јер смо тако у могућности". Не проналазе се сви у улози homo oeconomicus. Урушавање темељних вредности западних друштава (породица, вера, идеологија, демократија, нација/држава) па и саме западне цивилизације, ствара вакуум попуњен екстремизмима који за разлику од цајтгајста релативизатора свега живог под капом небеском самоуверено испуцају унапред спремљен одговор на ограничен број животних питања која одзвањају у ушима изгубљених овчица. Решење које ће одабрати неинтегрисана јединка зависи од личних предиспозиција, околине, васпитања - џихадизам, нацизам, комунизам, шовинизам итд. Док успех датих група наравно зависи од центара који су у стању да им обезбеде новац, логистику и легитимизацију. Ништа није лоше у модерацији, па тако ни ефемерна материјална добра и селфији. Лоши су као крајњи циљ људског битисања баш као и верски екстремизам који лаику намеће осећај кривице због мањка ревности што затим овај надокнађује злочинима у име религије. Борци ИД гину за своје идеале док западна цивилизација (чији смо егземпларни чланови, по свеопштој друштвеној декаденцији) обесмишљава сваки идеал, чак и онај који изискује најмањи опортунитетни трошак. Култура спектакла и холивудска PR кампања ИД је пуко средство регрутовања и њихов пут до ултимативног пораза над онима који више ни у шта не верују, па ни у аутономно разликовање између добра и зла.
Krampa Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 pusti njega i samo przi. voli da bude cesto antiprotivan
Lord Protector Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) ‘ISIS and Al Qaeda – working in tune with Western strategic designs’ Published time: June 02, 2015 13:30 The West, despite its claims to be in a “War on Terror,” has been in alliance with the most sectarian forces to weaken Syria, Iran and Libya – rather than cooperating with them against ISIS, said Dan Glazebrook, political writer and journalist. At least 38 policemen were killed and 46 people were wounded Monday in the Iraqi city of Samarra during a suicide attack. Islamic State (formerly ISIS/ISIL) fighters rammed a vehicle packed with explosives into an army warehouse. The dead and injured are mostly military personnel, including senior officials. Baghdad has launched its largest operation against Islamic State to date. RT: Let's start with the suspected suicide attack involving the tank in Samarra. It’s a big setback, isn’t it? A lot of people died there... ‘2,300 Humvees in Mosul alone’: Iraq reveals number of US arms falling into ISIS hands Dan Glazebrook: Yes, it’s a disaster and we’re seeing these kind of things happening daily now. It has to be borne in mind that the role of ISIS, and these kind of death squads, have been very much in tune with the West’s overall strategic policy since 2011 when it decided to back all kind of sectarian forces as a tool of destabilizing independent states such as Syria and Libya. And this is now the consequences of that policy that we’re seeing unleashed on a daily basis. RT: Do you buy into the idea that the US military hardware falling into the hands of Islamic State was part of a bigger plan? DG: Well, ordnance does get left during warfare and during conflict and so on. Not every incident in this war is necessarily by design. But with that said, if you look at the fall of Mosul last June when these 2,300 Humvees were captured, this directly gave a massive boost to the forces of ISIS, who then stepped up their war against Syria. And don’t forget that the war in Syria up until that time, up until around June 2014, the initiative and the momentum had very much been with the Syrian government in 2014- after the fall of the Homs, and so on. So it did give a massive kind of shot in the arm, a massive boost to ISIS and its allies in the war against the Syrian government, which of course the West has been backing from the start. Certainly it fits in with the overall trajectory of British and US policy of backing these kinds of forces. RT: The CIA director, John Brennan, said Sunday that he expects the fight with the Islamic State continue for a very long time. Do you foresee any change in US strategy, or getting more involved in the fight? DG: I’m not sure we’re going to see a change of strategy. There is nothing that ISIS and Al Qaeda are doing that is really so out of tune with the West’s strategic designs. The West claims to be in a war against ISIS. But don’t forget, like I say, since 2011 the Western policy has been to ally with the most sectarian forces in order to overthrow the government of Syria, destroy the Syrian government, weaken Iran, weaken Libya, and so on. And we’ve seen time after time whenever the tide is turned against these death squads, such as it did in Yemen, when Al Qaeda’s base (which has had a stronghold there for years and years) was being threatened by the Houthi rebels, the West and its allies in the region intervened on the side of Al Qaeda. And now reports are coming out that Al Qaeda has been the main beneficiary of Saudi bombing of Yemen. Reuters/Osman Orsal We’ve seen with the fall of Ramadi, the US did very little to prevent the fall of Ramadi. It’s interesting that their key allies supposedly in the war against ISIS refused to cooperate with the real forces fighting against ISIS (the Syrian government, the Iranian government, the Shia militias, and so on). But even when their own key allies in Iraq against ISIS, the so-called Golden Division, US-trained Iraqi Special Forces, were calling for help and support and airstrikes they were not forthcoming, and that led to the fall of Ramadi. RT: Could Baghdad forces on their own defeat the Islamic State or that or that is just a wishful thinking? DG: It needs to be a region-wide alliance, and we are seeing the beginnings of this taking shape. We’ve seen the Egyptian government, for example, in another arena of the war against ISIS, or the war and support of ISIS, however you want to see it. We’ve seen Egyptian forces coming to the aid of the elected Libyan government that is threatened by ISIS and Al Qaeda-type forces, in Libya. It is very interesting in that regard that Britain is now leading the cause in the EU for another war in Libya wrapped up in the so-called “war against people smuggling.” They are very likely to also give a kind of shot in the arm to ISIS and the death squads there, and most likely to counter the Egyptian influence in Libya that is a real threat to the death squads. So all over the entire region wherever the tide is turning against the death squads, and there is increasing regional cooperation (we’re seeing China offering support to Iraq and so on) against these forces. But every time the tide seems to be turning the West finds itself again coming to the aid on the wrong side of the war. Dan Glazebrook: ‘America' goal is to break Middle East into ethno religious mini states’ https://soundcloud.com/rttv/isis-us-goal Edited June 3, 2015 by slow
Bane5 Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 kakva prvoklasna naklapanja... dovoljne su mu bile prve dve recenice da to naglasi. naravno, jeftina propaganda via rt.
Anduril Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 Nemoj tako. Slow nam prenosi samo mejnstrim slobodno misljenje slobodnog sveta koje nije pod zapadnom cizmom.
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