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[Moonwalker]

Ne bih basa rekla da je svetla buducnost sa "mladom" generacijom ni ruskom, ni americkom koja je u zajednickom poslu.

 

Ovaj "omladinac"  je 1974. Fino da se vrate na carsku Rusiju u vreme Alaksandra III i Dostojevskog.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/jack-hanick-indictment-putin-russia-propaganda-fox-news-1317789/

 

 

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By early 2013, Hanick got invited to Moscow — ostensibly to speak at a conference of the Safe Internet League, a Russian group promoting Internet censorship, funded by Malofeyev. But the indictment, citing Hanick’s own “unpublished ‘memoir’ discovered by investigators through the judicially authorized search,” describes the speaking invitation as ruse to get Hanick into the country to talk business.

Hanick recalled that first trip to Moscow in an interview with Russian media, and how he’d received a call from Moscow, “out of the blue.” Hanick found it odd, saying he’d “never thought of going to Russia.” But when he suddenly found himself talking to friendly strangers about a new conservative media project, he felt it was a signal from God, saying: “This is what I call you to do.”

Hanick was soon a frequent flier to Moscow, the indictment alleges, to meet with Malofeyev and plot the rise of Tsargrad TV. But even before the network launch, Hanick began asserting himself in Russian public life. The Putin government was engaged at the time in a crackdown on free speech. It had locked up the band Pussy Riot for performing a protest concert in a Moscow cathedral, and passed a law making “offending religious feelings” punishable by up to three years in prison. The Duma also passed legislation banning “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations” — effectively outlawing the promotion of LGBTQ equality.

Appearing at a June 2013 conference on “Traditional Values and the Future of European Nations,” cosponsored by the Duma and Malofeyev’s religious foundation, Hanick praised the Russians, insisting that history would record that “when it came time to stand up for traditional values, this was the place. God called on this country to fulfill that role.”

Hanick was drawn to Malofeyev’s worldview. The oligarch promoted Russia as a bulwark against liberal excess: “Just as Christians in the West in Ronald Reagan’s time helped us against the evil of communism, we now have to return our debt to Christians who are suffering under totalitarianism in the West,” the oligarch said in a 2014 interview with Slate. “This so-called liberalism, tolerance, and freedom, these are just words, but behind them you can see the totalitarianism.”

Hanick told a Russian reporter that he blamed the separation of church and state in the U.S. for “serious problems, including a general decline in morals” with religious matters squeezed out of the public sphere. He praised the influence of the Orthodox Church on modern Russian politics — and its ability to put issues “on the agenda.” Hanick added that the “Orthodox Church has not changed for 1,000 years.” At first he saw that as a drawback, he added, but had changed his view: “I see that it is power… the force that will allow Russia to occupy an important position in the world in maintaining moral values.”

Witting or not, Hanick was standing astride dangerous and powerful currents of geopolitics. The Kremlin had promoted a return to the Orthodox Church, banned in Soviet times, as a way to build political power by awakening Russia’s own Bible Belt. Simultaneously, Putin’s Russia was cultivating ties with populist right-wing conservatives in the West — painting Russia as an ally in the culture wars, with values aligned with the agenda shorthanded in America as God, Guns and Gays. (That effort infamously led Russians to infiltrate the National Rifle Association, but also involved outreach to prominent U.S. religious conservatives.)

 

 

https://www.salon.com/2022/03/07/ex-fox-news-director-helped-russian-oligarch-launch-propaganda-network-arrested/

 

Da ne bude zamene identicnih primera i sa druge strane bare. 

 

Sto ce reci da vlastela moze da bude i gej fundamentalista (Thiel), ali kmetovima je buducnost definisana.

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Moonwalker

[dillinger]

A jel Kinu jede propast I dekadencija? Svi clanovi CK KPK rodjeni u prvoj polovini 50ih

[Meazza]

18 minutes ago, dillinger said:

A jel Kinu jede propast I dekadencija? Svi clanovi CK KPK rodjeni u prvoj polovini 50ih

 

Smesi im se distopijska buducnost, jel se to racuna u dekadenciju?

[Redoran]

1 hour ago, Meazza said:

 

Pa stoji i to i evidentno je da je Amerika takodje u periodu dekadencije sto potvrdjuje moju tezu.

Ne radi se samo o zvanicnicima, u SSSR i SFRJ si kao mlada osoba bio sputan i potcenjen i u najboljem slucaju nisi bio uziman za ozbiljno, kao neko dete. Nasima su barem dali da sviraju gitare, da se izrazavaju kroz modu i pop kulturu i da se bave umetnoscu, u SSSR cak ni to. A "odrasle cike" nikog nista ne konsultuju i sve se pitaju. Slicna je situacija sad u Rusiji. 

 

Sad imamo potpuno suprotan ekstrem, gde na premijerske pozicije u zemljama prvog sveta dolaze nabeđeni tantuzi u ranim 30-im, koji nemaju ni političko ni životno iskustvo koje je potrebno da se bude na čelu tako bitnih zemalja i ekonomija. I onda brzo vidiš da premijeri zapravo nisu oni nego razne ekipe koje im vuku konce. Formalno imaš integrisanu mladost, neformalno se i dalje pitaju "odrasle čike" koje su pri tome tri klase ispod "odraslih čika" koje su se pitale u vreme hladnog rata. Ono kad moraju da šalju Kisindžera od stotinu leta u Davos, da poruči onoj gomili umišljenih orangutana i Marija Antoaneta kako koncept potpune i veličanstvene pobede Ukrajine u ratu nije realan, i da oni koji budu tvrdoglavo istrajavali na tom konceptu mogu jednog dana da se probude veoma neprijatno iznenađeni.

[Meazza]

To je odvojeno pitanje, zasto su "cike" od pre 50 godina giganti politike u odnosu na sadasnje "cike". Ne znam kako da odgovorim na to pitanje.

[dragance]

9 minutes ago, Meazza said:

To je odvojeno pitanje, zasto su "cike" od pre 50 godina giganti politike u odnosu na sadasnje "cike". Ne znam kako da odgovorim na to pitanje.

Moja teorija je da su lično mnogi prošli kroz ogroman rat i gubitke, te su bili svesni posledica na sopstvenom primeru.

[Meazza]

Just now, dragance said:

Moja teorija je da su lično mnogi prošli kroz ogroman rat i gubitke, te su bili svesni posledica na sopstvenom primeru.

 

Ima logike. Ali ta teorija ne objasnjava pad profesionalizma u mnogim poljima. Naprimer novinarstvo.

[Moonwalker]

17 minutes ago, Redoran said:

Ono kad moraju da šalju Kisindžera od stotinu leta u Davos, da poruči onoj gomili umišljenih orangutana i Marija Antoaneta kako koncept potpune i veličanstvene pobede Ukrajine u ratu nije realan, i da oni koji budu tvrdoglavo istrajavali na tom konceptu mogu jednog dana da se probude veoma neprijatno iznenađeni.

 

Koja vrsta majmuna sedi u Moskvi cisto obrazovanja i informisanosti radi? 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Moonwalker

[dragance]

1 minute ago, Meazza said:

 

Ima logike. Ali ta teorija ne objasnjava pad profesionalizma u mnogim poljima. Naprimer novinarstvo.

Pa mislim da je to zato što se sve servira na posluzavniku, lenjost i uticaj socijalnih medija. Gledam neke danasnje mlade koji se ne bi snašli nigde pa i samo pre 20 godina, a kamoli više.

[Redoran]

1 minute ago, Moonwalker said:

 

Koja vrsta majmuna sedi u Moskvi cisto obrazovanja i informisanosti radi? 

 

Uzmimo bez diskusije da sedi još gora vrsta majmuna od onih što se okupljaju u Davosu. Da li nam je to dobra i dovoljna uteha?

[Moonwalker]

2 minutes ago, Redoran said:

 

Uzmimo bez diskusije da sedi još gora vrsta majmuna od onih što se okupljaju u Davosu. Da li nam je to dobra i dovoljna uteha?

 

Ne nije nikakva uteha. Razmisljam kako je nekom poreklom iz "otpisane" oblasti ko ne moze da prisuti da se seli, a ne zivi mu se u onome sto ce doci.

 

 

Usput, orangutan je sumski covek i najljudskija (u pozitivnom smsilu) grupa majmuna, da ne kazem veci covek od svih ovih satro pravih.

[x500]

Po meni politikom trebaju da se bave profesionalno ostvareni ljudi. Neko se pokazao i dokazao u svom poslu i u skladu sa svojim obrazovanjem.

 

Na drugoj strani su ljudi, bez obzira na godine, koji nista nisu radili osim da su se bavili politikom. Oni trebaju da upravljaju i odlucuju o stvarima o kojima nemaju pojma.

 

Izvinjavam se za mali off-topic:

BMW ima pravilo da svaki zaposleni mora jedmom godisnje jednu nedelju da radi na montazi vozila. Montiranje kedera za vrata, kacenje znakova, nekih nalepnica i sl. Ideja je da svako na kraju vidi kako nastaje prozvod od koga dirrktno ili indirektno svi zive.

 

[Gojko & Stojko]

On 29.5.2022. at 21:58, Redoran said:

Sad imamo potpuno suprotan ekstrem, gde na premijerske pozicije u zemljama prvog sveta dolaze nabeđeni tantuzi u ranim 30-im, koji nemaju ni političko ni životno iskustvo koje je potrebno da se bude na čelu tako bitnih zemalja i ekonomija. I onda brzo vidiš da premijeri zapravo nisu oni nego razne ekipe koje im vuku konce. Formalno imaš integrisanu mladost, neformalno se i dalje pitaju "odrasle čike" koje su pri tome tri klase ispod "odraslih čika" koje su se pitale u vreme hladnog rata. Ono kad moraju da šalju Kisindžera od stotinu leta u Davos, da poruči onoj gomili umišljenih orangutana i Marija Antoaneta kako koncept potpune i veličanstvene pobede Ukrajine u ratu nije realan, i da oni koji budu tvrdoglavo istrajavali na tom konceptu mogu jednog dana da se probude veoma neprijatno iznenađeni.

Zemlje prvog sveta predvodi "senilni" čikica od skoro osamdeset godina, koji je još na početku operacije denacifikacije i demilitarizacije Ukrajine lepo rekao da na pretnju upotrebe nuklearnog oružja pomahnitalog KGB trovača i mafijaša neće da odgovara na isti način. Premijere i kandidate za premijere širom tog prvog sveta koji stoje na braniku patrijarhalnog, belog i hrišćanskog sveta kao i pomahnitali KGB trovač i mafijaš u borbi za dolazak na vlast i opstanak na vlasti obilato pomaže jedan čika koji je zagazio u desetu deceniju života, ili likovi slični njemu kao jedan latinski ljubavnik u srednjim osamdesetim koji se i sam oprobao kao premijer u ozbiljnim godinama (iako je on i tada smatrao da je mladić).

 

O kojim ti premijerima zapravo pričaš? Ja znam za jednog nabeđenog tantuza koji je ministrovao u kasnim dvadesetim, a premijerskog mesta se dokopao u ranim četrdesetim, i koji nema ni političko ni životno iskustvo koje je potrebno da se bude na čelu bilo kakve zemlje, ali nisam znao da je ta zemlja toliko bitna, osim u traženju opravdanja pomahnitalog KGB mafijaša i trovača za svoju operaciju denacifikacije i demilitarizacije.

 

SaE

[vememah]

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China warns against meddling in Kazakhstan ahead of Putin meeting
It sounded like Xi Jinping was warning Putin against any adventures in Central Asia.
Chinese President Xi Jinping has kicked off a visit to Central Asia with a no-nonsense statement of support for the territorial integrity of his first host country, Kazakhstan.

It sounded like an assertive statement of intent from Beijing, coming just before Xi meets Russian President Vladimir Putin this week in a face to face that the world is watching closely.

Russian-ally Kazakhstan has been shaken by the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine, while facing down saber-rattling from Russian nationalists angry at what they deem Kazakh disloyalty over the war.

After meeting President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev in Kazakhstan’s capital, Xi made it clear that Beijing would not tolerate any encroachments on Kazakhstan’s territory.

“I would like to assure you that the government of China pays huge attention to relations with Kazakhstan,” he said, in remarks quoted in Russian in Tokayev’s office’s readout of the meeting.

“However the international situation changes, going forward we will also resolutely support Kazakhstan in the defense of its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity; firmly support the reforms conducted by you to assure stability and development; [and] categorically come out against interference by any forces in the internal affairs of your country.”

Given that the most obvious potential threats to Kazakhstan’s territorial integrity emanate from its northern neighbor Russia, Xi’s words looked like a warning to Putin not to meddle in Central Asia, where Russia and China are the two major geopolitical players.

“Xi’s visit to Kazakhstan can be seen as a sign that Beijing sees Kazakhstan as a friend – and Russia should not do anything to hurt Beijing’s friend,” Mark Katz, a professor specializing in Russian foreign policy at George Mason University, told the South China Morning Post ahead of Xi’s state visit to Kazakhstan.

This was Xi’s first trip outside China since January 2020, in the early days of what became the coronavirus pandemic.

He is on his way to neighboring Uzbekistan to participate in a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a security bloc whose members include, as well as China and Russia, four Central Asian states, India and Pakistan.

On the summit sidelines Xi will meet Putin, with whom he declared a “no limits” partnership when they last met in Beijing shortly before Russia invaded Ukraine.

China has not condemned Moscow’s aggression, but has blamed the West for stoking tensions. However, it has not provided any sanctions relief to Russia, either.

Putin will arrive at the SCO summit looking weakened, after Ukrainian counterattacks forced Russian forces to retreat in recent days.

Xi’s shot across the bow in Kazakhstan suggests that Beijing is determined to assert its interests in Central Asia, and make clear to Moscow that it sees the region as its own backyard as well as Russia’s.

https://eurasianet.org/china-warns-against-meddling-in-kazakhstan-ahead-of-putin-meeting
 

Edited September 14, 2022 by vememah

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