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[namenski]

1885.

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Edited January 15, 2017 by namenski

[Anduril]

boldovano u kvotu sa redita stoji: "minor domestic violence (and only minor and only if no more than 1x a year)". ovo što si linkovao nije minor.

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Kao i ti, procitao sam i ja komentare sa Redita pa kazu da imaju zanimljivu definiciju minor-a. A sprovodjenje zakona je naravno super a jos bolja je ova Mizulina, predlagac.

Mislim da ti moji linkovi sasvim dobro odslikavaju kontekst kako ce sve biti super kada se ponovo prosire globalno tradicionalne vrednosti umesto ovih rasisticko-liberalnih...

Tramp ce poceti, Erdogan i Orban vec uveliko rade...

 

 

[–]BonJovino 6 points

2 days ago 

I see many people here revoke some laws that all regulate what will happen to you after you inflict some injury on someone but that is not the point. You all miss the fact that it is the definition of what is a light injury that matters.

The term light injury is actually a law term here in Russia that is used to determine the severity of the punishment during any incidents where someone is hurt and it is the same across all laws. There are three possible categories for the injury: heavy, moderate and light. The degree of the injury is determined by the specialized medical staff in the hospital and there is a decree by ministry of health that regulates what is viewed as light injury. Here it is: http://zakonbase.ru/content/base/123343/

The article 8 describe what a light injury is and here is what it says:

8.1 Basically inability to work for up to 21 day after the injury was inflicted.

8.2 Stable loss of productivity (related to work) for up to 10%. I guess it can be either lifelong or over a couple of years, there is no specified time frame for that in the decree.

And article 9 says that surface injuries like bruises or light flash wounds that do not make you lose the ability to work does not constitute as a threat to health and are not even considered to be light injury and there are no repercussions for that at all.

So basically you can beat your wife any time of day all year round. As long as she can stand on her feet next day and go to work you are fine. Its only that hard beating that you should save for that special occasion once a year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5nk5n5/russia_to_decriminalise_domestic_violence_to/

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/how-russia-decided-to-allow-a-little-domestic-violence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelena_Mizulina

[Budja]

To - konacno da neko razotkrije lazi americkog spijuna iz ruskog MUP-a posto svi znamo da ovoga ima svuda, razlika u meri nema, svejedno je da li zivis u Danskoj ili u Novosibirsku.

Isti su to problemi. Lazu ovi naucnici sto pisu o tome: http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=1999-00167-007

 

Da vidimo ponovo.

 

 

By Horne, Sharon

American Psychologist, Vol 54(1), Jan 1999, 55-61.

Abstract

Reported incidence and frequency rates of domestic violence in Russia exceed Western figures by 4 or 5 times. Although a grassroots social services movement has emerged to provide services for victims and families, a number of historical and cultural influences unique to Russia present challenges with regard to the problem of domestic violence. These include a history of institutional oppression of women, arcane legal procedures, a shortage of housing and shelters, untrained medical professionals, and widespread misinformation and myths about domestic violence. This article documents incidence and prevalence of domestic violence, cultural and historical influences, legal issues, and specific challenges to ending domestic violence in Russia. (PsycINFO Database Record © 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

 

Dakle, dekada devedesetih, sok za sistem, alkohol, skracen zivotni vek, stopa ubistava porasla..

U tom kontekstu je poraslo i domestic violence.

 

Recimo

 

 

Demographic, Temporal, and Spatial Patterns of Homicide Rates in Russia

Interpersonal violence increased dramatically in Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s. In this article, newly available arrest data from the Russian Ministry of the Interior and vital statistics data from the Russian State Committee for Statistics are employed in order to examine the demographic, temporal, and spatial patterns of homicide rates in the country. Among other findings, analyses reveal (1) homicide victimization rates in Russia are comparable to and/or greater than the high rates in the United States for at least the last 35 years; (2) a sudden decrease in homicide rates in the mid‐1980s, followed by a sharp increase in the late 1980s and early 1990s resulting in a Russian homicide victimization rate that is 15–20 times higher than in most European nations; (3) a strikingly different age pattern of homicide victimization rates as compared to the USA; and (4) a wide range of variation in homicide rates throughout the country, including a curious pattern of increasing rates from west to east.

 

D li je to tako i danas?

Je l imas nesto svezije?

 

Ili ces sledeci put da citiras nesto iz Staljinovog vremena?

[Anduril]

Ne, dovoljno je da imas prijatelje rusofobe iz Rusije ili da si bar bio tamo pa da znas kako je situacija super oko ovog. A posto si takav ekspert u guglanju i posto lepo pitas:

http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/07/09/fampra.cmq044.short

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0068027#pone.0068027-Lokhmatkina1

Nego, jel moze neki dokaz da za ovo tvoje naucno sve je to isto?

[Budja]

Ne, dovoljno je da imas prijatelje rusofobe iz Rusije ili da si bar bio tamo pa da znas k

 

Ne, dovoljno je da imas prijatelje rusofobe iz Rusije ili da si bar bio tamo pa da znas kako je situacija super oko ovog. A posto si takav ekspert u guglanju i posto lepo pitas:

http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/07/09/fampra.cmq044.short

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0068027#pone.0068027-Lokhmatkina1

Nego, jel moze neki dokaz da za ovo tvoje naucno sve je to isto?

 

ako je situacija super oko ovog. A posto si takav ekspert u guglanju i posto lepo pitas:

http://fampra.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/07/09/fampra.cmq044.short

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0068027#pone.0068027-Lokhmatkina1

Nego, jel moze neki dokaz da za ovo tvoje naucno sve je to isto?

 

Hvala.

 

Da vidimo.

 

Prvi link.

 

 

Results. One thousand two hundred and thirty-two respondents (age range 16–70 years); 70% response. Lifetime prevalence of partner abuse was 37.1% [95% confidence interval (CI) = 34.4–40.0%] and 1-year prevalence was 7.2% (95% CI = 4.6–11.2%). The multivariate analysis showed that cohabiting women were 1.9 (95% CI = 1.3–2.8) times more likely and divorced women were 2.3 (95% CI = 1.1–4.8) times more likely to be abused than married respondents. Only 34.7% (95% CI = 31.5–38.0%) of women would agree to GPs asking about partner abuse.

Conclusions. The high prevalence of partner abuse is consistent with international findings in general practice-based studies. The predominantly negative attitude of women towards being asked about abuse is a challenge to future domestic violence interventions in Russian practices.

 

Drugi link

 

Of 299 women, 104 (34.8%) and 113 (37.8%) reported a history of IPV perpetration and victimization, respectively.

 

Sta ima u Americi?

 

Ovo:

 

1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men have been victims of [some form of] physical violence by an intimate partner within their lifetime.¹

 

37% i 35% u Rusiji vs 33% u SAD.

 

http://ncadv.org/learn-more/statistics

 

 

Ja bih, ipak, voleo da vidim neki time series za Rusiju.

[Anduril]

Aha - Only 34.7% (95% CI = 31.5–38.0%) of women would agree to GPs asking about partner abuse

[Budja]

Aha - Only 34.7% (95% CI = 31.5–38.0%) of women would agree to GPs asking about partner abuse

 

Shocking!

 

Zamislli, underreporting se dogadja svuda.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/10/09/sobering-stats-for-domestic-violence-awareness-month

 

 

Despite progress, many cases of domestic violence stay in the dark. Only a little over half of cases are reported to authorities, and only about a third of victims injured in intimate partner violence receive medical care, the Department of Justice said.

[Anduril]

Shocking!

 

Zamislli, underreporting se dogadja svuda.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/10/09/sobering-stats-for-domestic-violence-awareness-month

 

Aha - poredis ceo US sa St. Peterburgom gde je vecina ovih studija pravljena. Ima tu jos par regiona - cenim da si bio pa znas kakva je super situacija:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_subjects_of_Russia_by_GDP_per_capita

No, sto kazu - no data, no problem.

[Budja]

Aha - poredis ceo US sa St. Peterburgom gde je vecina ovih studija pravljena. Ima tu jos par regiona - cenim da si bio pa znas kakva je super situacija:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_subjects_of_Russia_by_GDP_per_capita

No, sto kazu - no data, no problem.

 

A, dobro, znaci sa statistike prelazimo na sopstveno iskustvo. Jel si ti bio i prisustvovao mlacenju zena?

 

Drugo, no data no conclusion.

 

No, drago mi je da smo dosli do tacke do koje se vidi kako je cela prica suplja kada se dublje analizira, i kako se svi clanci vode ka istom izvoru, sto je prilicno slicno RT metodama.

[Anduril]

A, dobro, znaci sa statistike prelazimo na sopstveno iskustvo. Jel si ti bio i prisustvovao mlacenju zena?

Drugo, no data no conclusion.

No, drago mi je da smo dosli do tacke do koje se vidi kako je cela prica suplja kada se dublje analizira, i kako se svi clanci vode ka istom izvoru, sto je prilicno slicno RT metodama.

 

Ako je no conclusion, kako to da i sam zakljucujes u sledecoj recenici?

Dobro, supalj je problem nasilja nad zenama u Rusiji i nema sanse da je veci. Vece nasilje postoji samo u Svedskoj ili u US. Aj zdravo.

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league

[Budja]

Ako je no conclusion, kako to da i sam zakljucujes u sledecoj recenici?

Dobro, supalj je problem nasilja nad zenama u Rusiji i nema sanse da je veci. Vece nasilje postoji samo u Svedskoj ili u US. Aj zdravo.

http://www.thelocal.se/20140305/sweden-out-top-in-eu-domestic-violence-league

 

Opet pomeranje stative.

 

Ko je ikada u diskusiji pomenuo Svedsku?

No, lepo je videti da si sa USA presao na Svedsku kao poslednju liniju odbrane.

 

I ko je rekao da nema problema  pordicnog nasilja nad zenama u Rusiji?

To jeste problem u Rusiji, ali i SAD, celoj Africi i Latinskoj Americi.

 

Moja tvrdnja se donosi na to da Rusija nije izuzetak u tom smislu kakvim se predstvalja u zapadnim medijima.

Edited January 15, 2017 by Budja

[hazard]

Ono sto ti zapravo radis je ono sto nasi ljudi inace jako cesto rade - projektujes Srbe na Ruse

 

Interesantno je da to rade skoro jednako i srpski rusofili i srpski rusofobi a da najcesce i jedni i drugi vrlo malo znaju o Rusiji zapravo.

 

Ovaj topik to cesto lepo ilustruje

[Anduril]

Opet pomeranje stative.

Ko je ikada u diskusiji pomenuo Svedsku?

No, lepo je videti da si sa USA presao na Svedsku kao poslednju liniju odbrane.

I ko je rekao da nema problema  pordicnog nasilja nad zenama u Rusiji?

To jeste problem u Rusiji, ali i SAD, celoj Africi i Latinskoj Americi.

Moja tvrdnja se donosi na to da Rusija nije izuzetak u tom smislu kakvim se predstvalja u zapadnim medijima.

 

Ovaj, ostatak sveta si uveo ti, a primer sa Svedskom/Bugarskom pokazuje da se ne moze porediti tako lako pa reci da nema razlike.

Moscow Times, ANNA, Pravdareport su zapadni mediji? Dobro.

[Anduril]

Jos malo o liberal-rasizmu, WHO/BBC fake news rusofobiji i nepostojecim regionalnim razlikama sto se tice nasilja nad zenama. Sve je to isto:

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/H-Research_Notes/SAS-Research-Note-14.pdf

http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/98791/E89855.pdf

http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/98804/E88757.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596667/

 

 

[eoten]

Ma u pravu si - sasvim je svejedno da li recimo kao zena zivis u Danskoj ili u Novosibirsku ili u Turskoj. Svako ko misli drugacije je rasista anti-rus, a posebno je protiv zena u Rusiji. Nego, gde sam ja svakog doseljenika proglasio za bilo sta? Ti to tvrdis da svi doseljenici preuzimaju sve moguce pojave u nekom drustvu?

 

a jel svejedno i kako je biti muškarac u rusiji ili danskoj?

 

Kao i ti, procitao sam i ja komentare sa Redita pa kazu da imaju zanimljivu definiciju minor-a. A sprovodjenje zakona je naravno super a jos bolja je ova Mizulina, predlagac.

Mislim da ti moji linkovi sasvim dobro odslikavaju kontekst kako ce sve biti super kada se ponovo prosire globalno tradicionalne vrednosti umesto ovih rasisticko-liberalnih...

Tramp ce poceti, Erdogan i Orban vec uveliko rade...

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-12/how-russia-decided-to-allow-a-little-domestic-violence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelena_Mizulina

jel možeš da mi linkuješ i gde ja ili većina drugih tvojih oponenata na ovom topiku tvrdim(o) da je sprovođenje super, da će sve biti super itd. sve je počelo sa eraserheadovim linkom i sa par šablonskih komentara o rusima koji obavezno tuku ženu ujutro i uveče (deca su se nekako izgubila iz slike, o muškarcima da i ne pričamo)  pa su se nekako zajebali da to zabrane što sad moraju da ispravljaju tako što će im jedna žena predložiti odgovarajuće ispravke. sve ostalo su tvoje konstrukcije i podmetanja. jedino što ta rasprava na reditu pokazuje je da stvari, kao i obično, nisu crno-bele već u nijansama sive.