Sirija

[Gandalf]

On 10. 12. 2024. at 20:54, namenski said:

Problemi nastanu, a ti nastavi da glumis madjarsku sobaricu, kada se javi i/ili ukljuci strani dusebriznik ili vise njih kojima je, da stvari po nekad budu jos gore, tiranin jos i prihvatljiv...

aha... zato SSSR ispade onakvo govno. ispalo bi kako valja da je Lenjin jahao na doratu do Petrograda, umesto da se proda Kajzeru.

[vememah]

 

[ObiW]

2 hours ago, Mel said:

 

Ne znam, ako je ta genocidna drzava takodje i demokratska, onda je to sve super.

Znam da ne znaš, al imaš mišljenje i ne ustručuješ se da ga podeliš, da narod razume.

[namenski]

1 hour ago, Gandalf said:

aha... zato SSSR ispade onakvo govno. ispalo bi kako valja da je Lenjin jahao na doratu do Petrograda, umesto da se proda Kajzeru.

Po 19823 put: koji je pa meni kurac pa da pokusavam...

Pa ti si covece dvonozna zbirka stereotipa, cekaj da se prisetim:

- Rambo III je vrhunski i krunski, redak doduse, dokaz americkog antikomunizma...

Itd, itd..

Sada, evo dalje:

- CCCP ispao govno, BTW, pokojna Jugoslavija, po istom kljucu pretpostavljam, takodje...

- Lenjin se prodao Kajzeru...  

 

I sve to na topiku o Siriji, a u odgovor^tm na moju usputnu napomenu da revolucije^tm, prevrati ne vole^tm strano mesanje, nije zdravo po njih...

Gde si uhvatio vezu sa Lenjinom, Kajzerom, CCCP-om..., jebemliga, osim ako akademija ne radi svoje...

[namenski]

8 hours ago, Gandalf said:

ono što sam hteo da pitam, da li se i kako modifikuje navedeni anti-revolucionarni stav kada krene revolucija (kontra žgadije tipa Gadafija ili Asada Batiste)? npr. šta biva kada:

1) ljudi izađu na ulicu, i Otac Natice naredi da izdajnike valja pobiti;

2) izdajnicima do te mere dozlogrdilo da su spremni da rizikuju sve kako bi doakali Ocu Nacije;

3) ispadne (nasilna) revolucija, možda i rat?

Malo sam ti dopunio ovo, pa da se prisetimo, a primera onoliko:

- I tako oni kojima je dozlogrdilo krenu da se biju sa zgadijom, narod uz njih, zgadija padne, ali se to - ko ce ga znati zasto - ne svidja obliznjoj velesili koja pocne da im udara kontru...

- izdajnici sta ce kuda ce, a kada su krenuli na pamet im padalo nije, pocnu da traze podrsku, pomoc...

- jedna druga velesila jedva doceka, BTW, jebe joj se za rusitelje diktature, ali lepo zvuci, a i daju se udarati kontre onoj drugoj, tek -

- izdajnici, kada su krenuli u bijenje, rusenje zgadije, naprasno postaju komunjare^tm jer alternative nema na stranu sto nisu ni najmanje bili komunjarski raspolozeni kada su u bijenje krenuli, naprotiv, zacudo cak ni KGB-a  nije bilo okolo dok su se spremali...

Dalje se manje-vise sve zna... 

 

[vememah]

Novinar France 24 Vasim Nasr bio je prošle godine u Idlibu, kojim već duže vreme vlada Džolanijev HTS, i u ovom intervjuu iz maja 2023. kaže da više ne ubijaju hrišćane i ne siluju hrišćanke i ne spaljuju njihove crkve, već su im dozvolili da ih obnove, pod uslovom da se spolja ne vide krstovi, koji moraju biti prefarbani ili skriveni. Tvrdi da sporadično hrišćanima vraćaju zemlju koju su im oteli i dodelili stranim džihadistima.

 

Muškarci i žene su razdvojeni u kafićima i restoranima, u šoping molovima i parkovima nisu. Pušta se revolucionarna muzika i puši u javnosti.

 

(od 7:24)

Edited December 12 by vememah

[mackenzie]

 

 

[vememah]

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While searching a secretive prison in the belly of the Assad regime’s legacy of torture for American journalist Austin Tice, CNN’s Clarissa Ward made a startling discovery when a rebel fighter uncovered a hidden prisoner still unaware of Assad’s ouster. And Jomana Karadsheh reports from Damascus where residents are coming to grips with the uncertainty of the country’s historic rebellion.

 

Edited December 12 by vememah

[noskich]

10 hours ago, Gandalf said:

ja sam pitao za lični stav. naime, ja lično nemam nekih problema sa anti-revolucionarnim stavom koji je izneo noskich. revolucije su zajebana stvar, ume da bude krvavo, i često ispadne besmisleno.

 

ono što sam hteo da pitam, da li se i kako modifikuje navedeni anti-revolucionarni stav kada krene revolucija (kontra žgadije tipa Gadafija ili Asada)? npr. šta biva kada:

1) ljudi izađu na ulicu, i Otac Natice naredi da izdajnike valja pobiti;

2) izdajnicima do te mere dozlogrdilo da su spremni da rizikuju sve kako bi doakali Ocu Nacije;

3) ispadne (nasilna) revolucija, možda i rat?

Nije to antirevolucionaran stav, već dovođenje u pitanje propagande kojim se opravdava intervencija sa strane zarad stranih interesa. 

 

A zna se ko to širi, isti oni koji unapred pripremaju teren, pa se onda šatro "desio" narod i izazvao intervenciju. 

 

Naravno da oni ne čekaju da se zaista desi autohtona interna buna, već je stvaraju veštački. 

[mackenzie]

On 8. 12. 2024. at 17:45, Jeremija said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Je li ovo jedan od razloga zašto je pogođena zgrada obaveštajne službe. Baš čudno da pogode zgradu gdje su najveći inkriminirajući dokazi protiv režima. 

 

 

It’s a history that the U.S. government knows all too well — because, at times, it has exploited the Assad regime’s brutality for its own ends. Arar was sent to Assad’s prisons by the United States: In September 2002, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) detained him during a layover at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport. U.S. officials believed, partially on the basis of inaccurate information provided by Canada, that Arar was a member of al-Qaida. After his detention in New York, Arar was flown to Amman, Jordan, where he was driven across the border into Syria.

 

“Successive U.S. administrations may not agree with the politics of Bashar al-Assad, but when you have a common enemy called al-Qaida — that changes everything,” Arar said. “[S]ince 9/11, Assad’s regime has been used for what the media now calls ‘torture by proxy.’ ”

 

In Arar’s case, however, he had no actual ties to al-Qaida to confess. He was eventually released in October 2003, and both Syria and Canada admitted that they had no evidence tying him to terrorism. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a former apology to Arar, and announced that the government would pay him a settlement of almost $10 million for his ordeal. Arar currently resides in Canada.

 

After the 9/11 attacks, the CIA’s use of extraordinary rendition — the practice of sending terrorism suspects to a third country for interrogation, including the use of methods that may be illegal in the United States — “expanded beyond recognition,” journalist Jane Mayer wrote in The New Yorker. In addition to Syria’s prisons, detention facilities in Egypt, Morocco and Jordan were also key destinations for such subjects, who were flown around the world on private jets registered to dummy American corporations, according to Mayer.

 

Arar was far from the only detainee that the CIA threw in Assad’s prisons. In December 2001, the United States requested that Moroccan authorities arrest Mohammad Haydr Zammar, a German citizen suspected of aiding al-Qaida’s Hamburg cell, which was a key player in the 9/11 attacks. Once Zammar was apprehended, according to information obtained by British journalist Stephen Grey, he was interrogated by CIA officers in Morocco and then flown to Damascus, where — like Arar — he was held in the Palestine Branch.

 

The cooperation between the American and Syrian intelligence agencies was close enough that the CIA even offered German intelligence officers the opportunity to put specific questions to Zammar while he was in Assad’s prisons, according to Grey’s book, “Ghost Plane: The True Story of the CIA Rendition and Torture Program.” Nothing is known of Zammar’s whereabouts or health since he sent a letter to his family in Germany in 2005.

 

“Globalizing Torture,” a report published by the Open Society Justice Initiative, provides the names of 136 detainees who were subjected to extraordinary rendition or secret detention. Of those detainees, at least eight were sent by the CIA to Assad’s jails. They include people who seemingly posed little or no danger — such as Noor al-Deen, a Syrian teenager captured with Abu Zubaydah, who the United States initially believed was a top al-Qaida operative but would later admit had never been a member of the terror group. They also include legitimately dangerous figures such as Abu Musab al-Suri, who was released by the Assad regime and subsequently became one of the world’s leading jihadist ideologues.

 

Despite the wide range of disagreements between the Bush administration and Assad, U.S.-Syrian intelligence cooperation in pursuit of al-Qaida represented a détente of sorts between the two governments. When ties soured in 2006, a parliamentarian close to Assad’s feared domestic enforcer, Assad Shawkat, told U.S. diplomats that Shawkat “still considered himself a friend of the United States.” In February 2010, when U.S. officials were trying to persuade Assad to stem the flow of jihadists into Iraq, intelligence chief Gen. Ali Mamlouk told a U.S. delegation in Damascus: “President Assad wants cooperation, [and] we should take the lead on that cooperation.”

 

https://www.denverpost.com/2014/01/23/us-cia-once-found-syrian-torture-useful/

 

[Lord Protector]

Sve što liči na organizovan sistem u vojno-obavestajnom i vojno-industrijskom smislu IDF unistava. Teroristi su manji problem od dobro organizovane i naoruzane neprijateljske zemlje.

[Gandalf]

5 hours ago, noskich said:

Nije to antirevolucionaran stav, već dovođenje u pitanje propagande kojim se opravdava intervencija sa strane zarad stranih interesa. 

 

Naravno da oni ne čekaju da se zaista desi autohtona interna buna, već je stvaraju veštački. 

za ovakve insinuacije bi morao da odradiš kvalitetnu samokritiku u narodnim demokratijama.

 

Stalin had instructed  Lavrentiy Beria  to recommend a communist leader for the Soviet-occupied territories and Beria met Kim several times before recommending him to Stalin. Kim arrived in the Korean port of   Wonsan   on 19 September 1945 after 26 years in exile.  According to Leonid Vassin, an officer with the Soviet MVD, Kim was essentially "created from zero". For one, his Korean was marginal at best; he only had eight years of formal education, all of it in Chinese. He needed considerable coaching to read a speech (which the MVD prepared for him) at a Communist Party congress three days after he arrived.

Edited December 12 by Gandalf

[Gandalf]

7 hours ago, namenski said:

Gde si uhvatio vezu sa Lenjinom, Kajzerom, CCCP-om..., jebemliga, osim ako akademija ne radi svoje...

Borba protiv tiranina, njegovo obaranje, imaju pravog uspeha, nikome nista ne duguju samo ako su autenticni i, u slucaju strane pomoci, dovoljno izvorni i jaki da se na pomoci uredno zahvale... kud ćeš veće autentičnosti od nemačkih vozova. za tu pogodnost i komfor se u Brest Litovsku uredno zahvališ.

Edited December 12 by Gandalf

[noskich]

26 minutes ago, Gandalf said:

za ovakve insinuacije bi morao da odradiš kvalitetnu samokritiku u narodnim demokratijama.

 

Stalin had instructed  Lavrentiy Beria  to recommend a communist leader for the Soviet-occupied territories and Beria met Kim several times before recommending him to Stalin. Kim arrived in the Korean port of   Wonsan   on 19 September 1945 after 26 years in exile.  According to Leonid Vassin, an officer with the Soviet MVD, Kim was essentially "created from zero". For one, his Korean was marginal at best; he only had eight years of formal education, all of it in Chinese. He needed considerable coaching to read a speech (which the MVD prepared for him) at a Communist Party congress three days after he arrived.

Kakve ovo ima veze sa kreiranjem lažnih "revolucija"?

[Gandalf]

19 minutes ago, noskich said:

Kakve ovo ima veze sa kreiranjem lažnih "revolucija"?

Nije to antirevolucionaran stav, već dovođenje u pitanje propagande kojim se opravdava intervencija sa strane zarad stranih interesa.

 

pa i nema, ali me interesuje da li taj kriterij važi i za narodne demokratije.

 

edit: da sam hteo da pitam o stranim interesima i lažnim revolucijama, i tebi bih napisao koju o izvesnom nemačkom vozu.

Edited December 12 by Gandalf