Sirija

[Eraserhead]

12 minutes ago, Budja said:

 

Da  vidimo:

- Alex Jones,

- Jeffrey Sachs

- Tulsi.

 

Meni deluje prilicno sarena ekipa.

 

 

Anne Coulter

Richard Spencer

David Duke

Da ne nabrajam dalje. U sustini svi oni koje bi u nekoj normalnoj situaciji smatrali sljamom i kojima se forum nekada smejao.

[namenski]

1 hour ago, MancMellow said:

Ne razumeš me

 

U varijanti u kojoj nema realnih iole slobodnih izbora zašto bi Zapad to pomagao, šta dobija od toga? Jer u toj varijanti čak i Iran ostaje prisutan (ne mogu njih ni Rusi da oteraju odatle. A i Rusi ostaju.

 

U varijanti u kojoj na nekim izborima Asad ima lepe šanse da padne sa vlasti - šta on dobija? Priliku da ode negde i ne bude suđen. Lepo, ali ta uena ne može bez Rusa - a šta oni dobijaju time ako Asad ode?

 

Ja ne vidim rešenje, osim razgraničenja (što znam da takođe nije u ovom momentu realno, ali eto, kažem). Sirija ovakva kakva je je prosto veštačka država. 

Jeli, leba ti, odakle ti ta slepa, vergl^tm vera da su demokratija, alobodni izbori lek za sve za koji luduju drustva poput sirijskog?

I sta bi to trebalo da se obecava biracima ne bi li ih se kupilo da se prime na demokratiju, obaska sto je uvozna i obaska sto su se uvoznici debelo kompromitovali?

Libija, Egipat, Irak?

Mozda Srbija? 

[namenski]

58 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

Govna. Gde su bili do sada da protestvuju protiv ubijanj civila?

Nisu mogli da dodju na red od tebe i tvojih protesta diljem Amerike, a povodom civila pobijenih u americkim intervencijama.

Umesto da ih podrzis, preneses im svoja iskustva, ti tako...

[kipo]

4 hours ago, Anduril said:

Pa jeste, problem nije toliko ovaj napad da vojna postrojenja Asadovog rezima koja su odavno zasluzena, nego mogucnost dalje eskalacije u odnosu na Iran.

Greska SAD je bila u tome sto im je deklarisani cilj rusenje Asada umesto da postave sebi smisleniji i ograniceni cilj - rusenje Asadovih helikoptera i avijacije koja godinama ubija civile. 

... i uživa u tome!

[kipo]

"Режим у Дамаску годинама је кршио међународно право, Париз и наши савезници нису више то могли да трпе, рекао је француски амбасадор при УН Франсоа Делатр"

 

Inače sam pretty 'ladan na govna i proseravanja, ali koliko su ove izjave pičkaste leptejebo. Bes, ludilo

[urkozamanje]

3 hours ago, Dimitrije said:

Uzgred, Sirija je poslednja seklularna arapska drzava u Masreku.

 

uzgred? 

[urkozamanje]

4 hours ago, MancMellow said:

Ja ne znam šta je njima cilj.

 

a da nije mozda rat? 

[Eraserhead]

Lektira na temu Sirije napisana od strane Sirijke koja je gle cuda protiv Asada a sekularna je zena. Znam da verovatno niko nece procitati tekst duzi od 4 reda i da ce biti skrolovan kao postovi namenskog ali sam ipak hajlajtovao vazne delove.

 

The ‘anti-imperialism’ of idiots

 

Once more the western ‘anti-war’ movement has awoken to mobilise around Syria. This is the third time since 2011. The first was when Obama contemplated striking the Syrian regime’s military capability (but didn’t) following chemical attacks on the Ghouta in 2013, considered a ‘red line’. The second time was when Donald Trump ordered a strike which hit an empty regime military base in response to chemical attacks on Khan Sheikhoun in 2017. And today, as the US, UK and France take limited military action (targeted strikes on regime military assets and chemical weapons facilities) following a chemical weapons attack in Douma which killed at least 34 people, including many children who were sheltering in basements from bombing.

 

The first thing to note from the three major mobilisations of the western ‘anti-war’ left is that they have little to do with ending the war. More than half a million Syrians have been killed since 2011. The vast majority of civilian deaths have been through the use of conventional weapons and 94 per cent of these victims were killed by the Syrian-Russian-Iranian alliance. There is no outrage or concern feigned for this war, which followed the regime’s brutal crackdown on peaceful, pro-democracy demonstrators. There’s no outrage when barrel bombs, chemical weapons and napalm are dropped on democratically self-organized communities or target hospitals and rescue workers. Civilians are expendable; the military capabilities of a genocidal, fascist regime are not. In fact the slogan ‘Hands off Syria’ really means ‘Hands off Assad’ and support is often given for Russia’s military intervention. This was evident yesterday at a demonstration organized by Stop the War UK where a number of regime and Russian flags were shamefully on display.

 

This left exhibits deeply authoritarian tendencies, one that places states themselves at the centre of political analysis. Solidarity is therefore extended to states (seen as the main actor in a struggle for liberation) rather than oppressed or underprivileged groups in any given society, no matter that state’s tyranny. Blind to the social war occurring within Syria itself, the Syrian people (where they exist) are viewed as mere pawns in a geo-political chess game. They repeat the mantra ‘Assad is the legitimate ruler of a sovereign country’. Assad – who inherited a dictatorship from his father and has never held, let alone won, a free and fair election. Assad – whose ‘Syrian Arab Army’ can only regain the territory it lost with the backing of a hotchpotch of foreign mercenaries and supported by foreign bombs, and who are fighting, by and large, Syrian-born rebels and civilians. How many would consider their own elected government legitimate if it began carrying out mass rape campaigns against dissidents? It’s only the complete dehumanization of Syrians that makes such a position even possible. It’s a racism that sees Syrians as incapable of achieving, let alone deserving, anything better than one of the most brutal dictatorships of our time.

 

For this authoritarian left, support is extended to the Assad regime in the name of ‘anti-imperialism’. Assad is seen as part of the ‘axis of resistance’ against both US Empire and Zionism.  It matters little that the Assad regime itself supported the first Gulf war, or participated in the US illegal rendition programme where suspected terrorists were tortured in Syria on the CIA’s behalf. The fact that this regime probably holds the dubious distinction of slaughtering more Palestinians than the Israeli state is constantly overlooked, as is the fact that it’s more intent on using its armed forces to suppress internal dissent than to liberate the Israeli-occupied Golan.

 

This ‘anti-imperialism’ of idiots is one which equates imperialism with the actions of the US alone. They seem unaware that the US has been bombing Syria since 2014. In its campaign to liberate Raqqa from Daesh all international norms of war and considerations of proportionality were abandoned. Over 1,000 civilians were killed and the UN estimates that 80 per cent of the city is now uninhabitable. There were no protests organized by leading ‘anti-war’ organizations against this intervention, no calls to ensure that civilians and civilian infrastructure were protected. Instead they adopted the ‘War on Terror’ discourse, once the preserve of neo-cons, now promulgated by the regime, that all opposition to Assad are jihadi terrorists. They turned a blind eye to Assad filling his gulag with thousands of secular, peaceful, pro-democracy demonstrators for death by torture, whilst releasing militant-Islamists from prison. Similarly, the continuing protests held in liberated areas in opposition to extremist and authoritarian groups such as Daesh, Nusra and Ahrar Al Sham have been ignored. Syrians are not seen as possessing the sophistication to hold a diverse range of views. Civil society activists (including many amazing women), citizen journalists, humanitarian workers are irrelevant. The entire opposition is reduced to its most authoritarian elements or seen as mere conduits for foreign interests.

 

This pro-fascist left seems blind to any form of imperialism that is non-western in origin. It combines identity politics with egoism. Everything that happens is viewed through the prism of what it means for westerners – only white men have the power to make history. According to the Pentagon there are currently around 2000 American troops in Syria. The US has established a number of military bases in the Kurdish-controlled north for the first time in Syria’s history. This should concern anyone who supports Syrian self-determination yet pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of Iranian troops and Iranian backed Shia militias which are now occupying large parts of the country, or the murderous bombing raids carried out by the Russian air force in support of the fascist dictatorship. Russia has now established permanent military bases in the country, and has been handed exclusive rights over Syria’s oil and gas as a reward for its support. Noam Chomsky once argued that Russia’s intervention could not be considered imperialism because it was invited to bomb the country by the Syrian regime. By that analysis, the US’s intervention in Vietnam was not imperialism either, invited as it was by the South-Vietnamese government.

 

A number of anti-war organizations have justified their silence on Russian and Iranian interventions by arguing that ‘the main enemy is at home’. This excuses them from undertaking any serious power analysis to determine who the main actors driving the war actually are. For Syrians the main enemy is indeed at home – it’s Assad who is engaging in what the UN has termed ‘the crime of extermination’. Without being aware of their own contradictions many of the same voices have been vocally opposed (and rightly so) to Israel’s current assault on peaceful demonstrators in Gaza. Of course, one of the main ways imperialism works is to deny native voices. In this vein, leading western anti-war organizations hold conferences on Syria without inviting any Syrian speakers.

 

The other major political trend to have thrown its weight behind the Assad regime and organize against US, UK and French strikes on Syria is the far right. Today, the discourse of fascists and these ‘anti-imperialist leftists’ is virtually indistinguishable. In the US, white supremacist Richard Spencer, alt right podcaster Mike Enoch and anti-immigration activist Ann Coulter are all opposing US strikes. In the UK former BNP leader Nick Griffin and Islamophobe Katie Hopkins join the calls. The place where the alt-right and alt-left frequently converge is around promoting various conspiracy theories to absolve the regime of its crimes. They claim chemical massacres are false flags or that rescue workers are Al Qaeda and therefore legitimate targets for attack. Those spreading such reports are not on the ground in Syria and are unable to independently verify their claims. They are often dependent on Russian or Assad state propaganda outlets because they ‘don’t trust the MSM’ or Syrians directly affected. Sometimes the convergence of these two seemingly opposite strands of the political spectrum turns into outright collaboration. The ANSWER coalition, which is organizing many of the demonstrations against a strike on Assad in the US, has such a history. Both strands frequently promote Islamophobic and anti-Semitic narratives. Both share the same talking points and same memes.

 

There are many valid reasons for opposing external military intervention in Syria, whether it be by the US, Russia, Iran or Turkey. None of these states are acting in the interests of the Syrian people, democracy or human rights. They act solely in their own interests. The US, UK and French intervention today is less about protecting Syrians from mass-atrocity and more about enforcing an international norm that chemical weapons use is unacceptable, lest one day they be used on westerners themselves. More foreign bombs will not bring about peace and stability. There’s little appetite to force Assad from power which would contribute to ending the worst of the atrocities.  Yet in opposing foreign intervention, one needs to come up with an alternative to protect Syrians from slaughter. It’s morally objectionable to say the least to expect Syrians to just shut up and die to protect the higher principle of ‘anti-imperialism’. Many alternatives to foreign military intervention have been proposed by Syrians time and again and have been ignored. And so the question remains, when diplomatic options have failed, when a genocidal regime is protected from censure by powerful international backers, when no progress is made in stopping daily bombing, ending starvation sieges or releasing prisoners who are being tortured on an industrial scale, what can be done.

 

I no longer have an answer. I’ve consistently opposed all foreign military intervention in Syria, supported Syrian led process to rid their country of a tyrant and international processes grounded in efforts to protect civilians and human rights and ensure accountability for all actors responsible for war-crimes. A negotiated settlement is the only way to end this war – and still seems as distant as ever. Assad (and his backers) are determined to thwart any process, pursue a total military victory and crush any remaining democratic alternative. Hundreds of Syrians are being killed every week in the most barbaric ways imaginable. Extremist groups and ideologies are thriving in the chaos wrought by the state. Civilians continue to flee in their thousands as legal processes – such as Law No.10 – are implemented to ensure they will never return to their homes. The international system itself is collapsing under the weight of its own impotence. The words ‘Never Again’ ring hollow. There’s no major people’s movement which stands in solidarity with the victims. They are instead slandered, their suffering is mocked or denied, and their voices either absent from discussions or questioned by people far away, who know nothing of Syria, revolution or war, and who arrogantly believe they know what is best. It is this desperate situation which causes many Syrians to welcome the US, UK and France’s action and who now see foreign intervention as their only hope, despite the risks they know it entails.

 

One thing is for sure – I won’t lose any sleep over targeted strikes aimed at regime military bases and chemical weapons plants which may provide Syrians with a short respite from the daily killing. And I will never see people who place grand narratives over lived realities, who support brutal regimes in far off countries, or who peddle racism, conspiracy theories and atrocity denial, as allies.

[Budja]

4 hours ago, Eraserhead said:

 

Anne Coulter

Richard Spencer

David Duke

Da ne nabrajam dalje. U sustini svi oni koje bi u nekoj normalnoj situaciji smatrali sljamom i kojima se forum nekada smejao.

 

Nisam siguran sta hoces da kazes nabrajajuci dalje, osim da nemas sta da kazes.

 

Ova tenzija, po svemu sudeci, je veci deo javnog mnjenja na Zapadu stavila u situaciju u kojoj se neugodno osecaju strepeci od eskalacije. 

 

Samo nas Eraser voli da tambura.

[Budja]

4 hours ago, MancMellow said:

Ne razumeš me

 

U varijanti u kojoj nema realnih iole slobodnih izbora zašto bi Zapad to pomagao, šta dobija od toga? Jer u toj varijanti čak i Iran ostaje prisutan (ne mogu njih ni Rusi da oteraju odatle. A i Rusi ostaju.

 

U varijanti u kojoj na nekim izborima Asad ima lepe šanse da padne sa vlasti - šta on dobija? Priliku da ode negde i ne bude suđen. Lepo, ali ta uena ne može bez Rusa - a šta oni dobijaju time ako Asad ode?

 

Ja ne vidim rešenje, osim razgraničenja (što znam da takođe nije u ovom momentu realno, ali eto, kažem). Sirija ovakva kakva je je prosto veštačka država. 

 

A sta dobija Zapad u varijanti slobodnin izbora?

Vec vidjeno.

Hint: Egipat, Morsi, Sisi.

 

 

 

 

[Budja]

36 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

Lektira na temu Sirije napisana od strane Sirijke koja je gle cuda protiv Asada a sekularna je zena. Znam da verovatno niko nece procitati tekst duzi od 4 reda i da ce biti skrolovan kao postovi namenskog ali sam ipak hajlajtovao vazne delove.

 

The ‘anti-imperialism’ of idiots

 

Once more the western ‘anti-war’ movement has awoken to mobilise around Syria. This is the third time since 2011. The first was when Obama contemplated striking the Syrian regime’s military capability (but didn’t) following chemical attacks on the Ghouta in 2013, considered a ‘red line’. The second time was when Donald Trump ordered a strike which hit an empty regime military base in response to chemical attacks on Khan Sheikhoun in 2017. And today, as the US, UK and France take limited military action (targeted strikes on regime military assets and chemical weapons facilities) following a chemical weapons attack in Douma which killed at least 34 people, including many children who were sheltering in basements from bombing.

 

The first thing to note from the three major mobilisations of the western ‘anti-war’ left is that they have little to do with ending the war. More than half a million Syrians have been killed since 2011. The vast majority of civilian deaths have been through the use of conventional weapons and 94 per cent of these victims were killed by the Syrian-Russian-Iranian alliance. There is no outrage or concern feigned for this war, which followed the regime’s brutal crackdown on peaceful, pro-democracy demonstrators. There’s no outrage when barrel bombs, chemical weapons and napalm are dropped on democratically self-organized communities or target hospitals and rescue workers. Civilians are expendable; the military capabilities of a genocidal, fascist regime are not. In fact the slogan ‘Hands off Syria’ really means ‘Hands off Assad’ and support is often given for Russia’s military intervention. This was evident yesterday at a demonstration organized by Stop the War UK where a number of regime and Russian flags were shamefully on display.

 

This left exhibits deeply authoritarian tendencies, one that places states themselves at the centre of political analysis. Solidarity is therefore extended to states (seen as the main actor in a struggle for liberation) rather than oppressed or underprivileged groups in any given society, no matter that state’s tyranny. Blind to the social war occurring within Syria itself, the Syrian people (where they exist) are viewed as mere pawns in a geo-political chess game. They repeat the mantra ‘Assad is the legitimate ruler of a sovereign country’. Assad – who inherited a dictatorship from his father and has never held, let alone won, a free and fair election. Assad – whose ‘Syrian Arab Army’ can only regain the territory it lost with the backing of a hotchpotch of foreign mercenaries and supported by foreign bombs, and who are fighting, by and large, Syrian-born rebels and civilians. How many would consider their own elected government legitimate if it began carrying out mass rape campaigns against dissidents? It’s only the complete dehumanization of Syrians that makes such a position even possible. It’s a racism that sees Syrians as incapable of achieving, let alone deserving, anything better than one of the most brutal dictatorships of our time.

 

For this authoritarian left, support is extended to the Assad regime in the name of ‘anti-imperialism’. Assad is seen as part of the ‘axis of resistance’ against both US Empire and Zionism.  It matters little that the Assad regime itself supported the first Gulf war, or participated in the US illegal rendition programme where suspected terrorists were tortured in Syria on the CIA’s behalf. The fact that this regime probably holds the dubious distinction of slaughtering more Palestinians than the Israeli state is constantly overlooked, as is the fact that it’s more intent on using its armed forces to suppress internal dissent than to liberate the Israeli-occupied Golan.

 

This ‘anti-imperialism’ of idiots is one which equates imperialism with the actions of the US alone. They seem unaware that the US has been bombing Syria since 2014. In its campaign to liberate Raqqa from Daesh all international norms of war and considerations of proportionality were abandoned. Over 1,000 civilians were killed and the UN estimates that 80 per cent of the city is now uninhabitable. There were no protests organized by leading ‘anti-war’ organizations against this intervention, no calls to ensure that civilians and civilian infrastructure were protected. Instead they adopted the ‘War on Terror’ discourse, once the preserve of neo-cons, now promulgated by the regime, that all opposition to Assad are jihadi terrorists. They turned a blind eye to Assad filling his gulag with thousands of secular, peaceful, pro-democracy demonstrators for death by torture, whilst releasing militant-Islamists from prison. Similarly, the continuing protests held in liberated areas in opposition to extremist and authoritarian groups such as Daesh, Nusra and Ahrar Al Sham have been ignored. Syrians are not seen as possessing the sophistication to hold a diverse range of views. Civil society activists (including many amazing women), citizen journalists, humanitarian workers are irrelevant. The entire opposition is reduced to its most authoritarian elements or seen as mere conduits for foreign interests.

 

This pro-fascist left seems blind to any form of imperialism that is non-western in origin. It combines identity politics with egoism. Everything that happens is viewed through the prism of what it means for westerners – only white men have the power to make history. According to the Pentagon there are currently around 2000 American troops in Syria. The US has established a number of military bases in the Kurdish-controlled north for the first time in Syria’s history. This should concern anyone who supports Syrian self-determination yet pales in comparison to the tens of thousands of Iranian troops and Iranian backed Shia militias which are now occupying large parts of the country, or the murderous bombing raids carried out by the Russian air force in support of the fascist dictatorship. Russia has now established permanent military bases in the country, and has been handed exclusive rights over Syria’s oil and gas as a reward for its support. Noam Chomsky once argued that Russia’s intervention could not be considered imperialism because it was invited to bomb the country by the Syrian regime. By that analysis, the US’s intervention in Vietnam was not imperialism either, invited as it was by the South-Vietnamese government.

 

A number of anti-war organizations have justified their silence on Russian and Iranian interventions by arguing that ‘the main enemy is at home’. This excuses them from undertaking any serious power analysis to determine who the main actors driving the war actually are. For Syrians the main enemy is indeed at home – it’s Assad who is engaging in what the UN has termed ‘the crime of extermination’. Without being aware of their own contradictions many of the same voices have been vocally opposed (and rightly so) to Israel’s current assault on peaceful demonstrators in Gaza. Of course, one of the main ways imperialism works is to deny native voices. In this vein, leading western anti-war organizations hold conferences on Syria without inviting any Syrian speakers.

 

The other major political trend to have thrown its weight behind the Assad regime and organize against US, UK and French strikes on Syria is the far right. Today, the discourse of fascists and these ‘anti-imperialist leftists’ is virtually indistinguishable. In the US, white supremacist Richard Spencer, alt right podcaster Mike Enoch and anti-immigration activist Ann Coulter are all opposing US strikes. In the UK former BNP leader Nick Griffin and Islamophobe Katie Hopkins join the calls. The place where the alt-right and alt-left frequently converge is around promoting various conspiracy theories to absolve the regime of its crimes. They claim chemical massacres are false flags or that rescue workers are Al Qaeda and therefore legitimate targets for attack. Those spreading such reports are not on the ground in Syria and are unable to independently verify their claims. They are often dependent on Russian or Assad state propaganda outlets because they ‘don’t trust the MSM’ or Syrians directly affected. Sometimes the convergence of these two seemingly opposite strands of the political spectrum turns into outright collaboration. The ANSWER coalition, which is organizing many of the demonstrations against a strike on Assad in the US, has such a history. Both strands frequently promote Islamophobic and anti-Semitic narratives. Both share the same talking points and same memes.

 

There are many valid reasons for opposing external military intervention in Syria, whether it be by the US, Russia, Iran or Turkey. None of these states are acting in the interests of the Syrian people, democracy or human rights. They act solely in their own interests. The US, UK and French intervention today is less about protecting Syrians from mass-atrocity and more about enforcing an international norm that chemical weapons use is unacceptable, lest one day they be used on westerners themselves. More foreign bombs will not bring about peace and stability. There’s little appetite to force Assad from power which would contribute to ending the worst of the atrocities.  Yet in opposing foreign intervention, one needs to come up with an alternative to protect Syrians from slaughter. It’s morally objectionable to say the least to expect Syrians to just shut up and die to protect the higher principle of ‘anti-imperialism’. Many alternatives to foreign military intervention have been proposed by Syrians time and again and have been ignored. And so the question remains, when diplomatic options have failed, when a genocidal regime is protected from censure by powerful international backers, when no progress is made in stopping daily bombing, ending starvation sieges or releasing prisoners who are being tortured on an industrial scale, what can be done.

 

I no longer have an answer. I’ve consistently opposed all foreign military intervention in Syria, supported Syrian led process to rid their country of a tyrant and international processes grounded in efforts to protect civilians and human rights and ensure accountability for all actors responsible for war-crimes. A negotiated settlement is the only way to end this war – and still seems as distant as ever. Assad (and his backers) are determined to thwart any process, pursue a total military victory and crush any remaining democratic alternative. Hundreds of Syrians are being killed every week in the most barbaric ways imaginable. Extremist groups and ideologies are thriving in the chaos wrought by the state. Civilians continue to flee in their thousands as legal processes – such as Law No.10 – are implemented to ensure they will never return to their homes. The international system itself is collapsing under the weight of its own impotence. The words ‘Never Again’ ring hollow. There’s no major people’s movement which stands in solidarity with the victims. They are instead slandered, their suffering is mocked or denied, and their voices either absent from discussions or questioned by people far away, who know nothing of Syria, revolution or war, and who arrogantly believe they know what is best. It is this desperate situation which causes many Syrians to welcome the US, UK and France’s action and who now see foreign intervention as their only hope, despite the risks they know it entails.

 

One thing is for sure – I won’t lose any sleep over targeted strikes aimed at regime military bases and chemical weapons plants which may provide Syrians with a short respite from the daily killing. And I will never see people who place grand narratives over lived realities, who support brutal regimes in far off countries, or who peddle racism, conspiracy theories and atrocity denial, as allies.

 

 

Quote

I’m a British Syrian whose been  involved in human rights and social justice struggles in Syria and elsewhere in the Middle East since 2000.

I was a founding member of Tahrir-ICN a network connecting anti-authoritarian struggles across the Middle East, North Africa and Europe.

Co-author (with Robin Yassin-Kassab) of Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War (Jan 2016)

Contributor to Alford, Wilson (eds): Khiyana-Daesh, the Left and the Unmaking of the Syrian Revolution(April 2016)

My contact is: leilashami(at)riseup.net

I sometimes tweet @LeilaShami

 

Kredibilan izvor za stavove sirijskog javnog mnjenja ko Eraser za stavove srpskog javnog mnjenja.

[Eraserhead]

18 minutes ago, Budja said:

 

 

 

Kredibilan izvor za stavove sirijskog javnog mnjenja ko Eraser za stavove srpskog javnog mnjenja.

 

 

 

Jasno, kredibilni su samo siriski vladini mediji, Sputnjik, Tulsi i naci tviter elita.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Eraserhead

[Budja]

8 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

 

 

 

Jasno, kredibilni su samo siriski vladini mediji, Sputnjik, Tulsi i naci tviter elita.

 

Ocemo ponovo snimak?

 

Evo ga:

 

 

 

 

[Eraserhead]

6 minutes ago, Budja said:

 

Ocemo ponovo snimak?

 

Evo ga:

...

 

 

 

Svakako Jeffrey je kredibilan jer se njegov stav podudara s tvojim, ali autorka onog teksta nije jer se njen ne podudara. Iako je ona Sirijka a on Amerikanac.

Proveri sta Bono Vox misli, on je blizak sa Jeffreyem. 

 

Ali dve teze su vrlo vazne.

 

Prva je ta o tome da je neko spolja podigao ustanak u siriji. Ta teza zanemaruje to da su u Siriji sirijci izasli na ulice i odrzali masovne demonstracije. To je slicno SPSovskom argumentu da je CIA srusila Milosevica. Milosevic je pao kada se gradjanima Srbije skupilo. Tako je isto verovatno i sa Sirijom.

 

Druga je ta da pravljenje mira sa masovnim ubicom koji se zlocinima odrzao na vlasti predstavlja dobro resenje. Sukob u Siriji ce se nastaviti zato sto je vlast i dalje skoncentrisana u rukama coveka koji predstavlja 20% stanovnistva. U Iraku je napravljena greska kada se napravio truli kompromis sa Malikijem koji je represijom gurnuo sunite ka ISISu. Ko misli da ce takav truli kompromis u Siriji biti resenje taj se vara. To je uvod u nove sukobe i eskalacije.

 

Ovde vise deluje da je Obamina bezmudost dovela do ove situacije. Plasio se da podrske za intervenciju nema ni na medjunarodnom planu ni u USA, plasio se priblizavanja vecini opozicionih grupa i nije im verovao, plasio se zaglavljivanja u jos jednom ratu. Medjutim ako situaciju ne kreiras sam onda se ta situacija kreira mimo tebe.

[Eraserhead]

Jos jedna stvar. Obamina izjava "Assad must go" je dosla nakon vise meseci demonstracija i brutalne reakcije Asadove vojske. Tada je vec bilo vise hiljada zrtava. Volim kako je Jeffrey to predstavio kao da je prvo Obama to izgovorio a onda je krenuo haos. Izjava je bila podrzana od styrane UK, Nemacke i francuske a dosla je nakon dugog odbijanja Obame da se umesa sto mu je bilo prebacivano od strane kako republikabnaca tako i ljudi koji se bave ljudskim pravima. Daleko je brze pustio niz vodu Mubaraka koji je bio americki saveznik.