Sirija

[Gandalf]

The reason that there’s no plausible end-game in Syria anytime soon — and that thousands more Syrians may be fated to die before the conflict is ended — is that the Assad regime is fighting a very different war to the one envisaged by many of its opponents....There’s no way of establishing its veracity, but one anecdote from the tormented city of Homs speaks volumes about how Syria’s power struggle is likely to play out: As regime forces continue to exact an horrific toll in their bombardment of Bab Amr and other opposition-controlled Sunni neighborhoods, residents in adjacent Allawite communities allege that the rebels are retaliating for regime attacks by firing mortars into Allawite neighborhoods. The Allawites of Homs, so the tale goes, are livid that the regime hasn’t more forcefully crushed the uprising, accusing President Assad of being too fearful of foreign intervention to smash the rebel forces with the ruthlessness his father would have mustered.The story could be true, or it could simply be propaganda fare aimed at whipping up Allawite fears — either way, though, it resonates with the deep fear of sectarian retribution among the minority sect that constitutes the key pillar of the regime’s support.

http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/02/08/why-syrians-fight-and-why-their-civil-war-may-be-a-long-one/

[Budja]

Dakle, ne mogu da verujem.U Siriji je sve na ivici, vazni igraci u klincu, vodi se bliskoistoistocni proxy war a ovde marksisti oteli temu.Uopste, da li je moguce da je prepoznatljivost Gadafija tolika da je izazivao tolike emocije ovde. Ili je u pitanju da je vise Sbra polsovno boravilo po Libiji pa im je to blize za raspravu.

Edited February 10, 2012 by Budja

[Budja]

Dosadan sam, ali moram.BBC u prvom izvestaju iz Alepa ukazuje na kontradikotrne izjave iz Free Syrian Army u vezi odgovornost za eksploziju i prenosi dve izjave (u jednoj se preuzima odovornost jer je to rezimska zfrada i sl., u drugoj se odgovornost negira).U kasnijem i sadasnjem izdanju, to je potpuno izostavljeno i daju se samo izjave u kojoj se odgovornost prebacuje na rezim.Izvestaj je takvog tona da citalac nesumnjivo stice utisak da je rezim sam minirao zgradu. Naravno, bez ijednog proverljivogTo je, po meni, propaganda a ne izvestavanje. Novinari agresivno propituju zasto ne intervenisemo, zasto ne dajemo oruzje, i sl.

[Fida'i]

Dosadan sam, ali moram.BBC u prvom izvestaju iz Alepa ukazuje na kontradikotrne izjave iz Free Syrian Army u vezi odgovornost za eksploziju i prenosi dve izjave (u jednoj se preuzima odovornost jer je to rezimska zfrada i sl., u drugoj se odgovornost negira).U kasnijem i sadasnjem izdanju, to je potpuno izostavljeno i daju se samo izjave u kojoj se odgovornost prebacuje na rezim.Izvestaj je takvog tona da citalac nesumnjivo stice utisak da je rezim sam minirao zgradu. Naravno, bez ijednog proverljivogTo je, po meni, propaganda a ne izvestavanje. Novinari agresivno propituju zasto ne intervenisemo, zasto ne dajemo oruzje, i sl.

Zapadno izveštavanje o Siriji je nezapamćen propagandni spektakl. Muka mi je od cionista i apologeta imperijalizma i zalivskih lakeja koji govore o zločinima režima. Nema spora da je Asad krvolok i da je masakrirao mirne demonstrante ali krajnje je licemerno da dinastija Saud i njeni propagandisti govore o represivnosti. Uveliko traje i otvoreno veličanje ovih salafističkih terorista.

[Zaz_pi]

Prvo su priznali teroristicki napad:

Talking exclusively to FRANCE 24, Colonel Arif Hamood of the Free Syrian Army claimed responsibility for two blasts on security buildings in Syria's second city Aleppo earlier on Friday.

Da bi ubrzo pocelo poricanje:

The head of the Free Syrian Army (FSA), Ryad al-Bashar, has told FRANCE 24 that his forces were not involved in Friday's twin blasts on security buildings in Syria's second city of Aleppo, denying an earlier claim by an FSA colonel.

Na kraju se doslo u fazu da se to ni ne pominje.

[Gandalf]

prvo priznaju, pa poricu, pa ne znaju ni sami sta je u pitanju... nista cudno, nije u pitanju vojska sa cvrstom organizacijom i jasnom strukturom komandovanja. vec je u pitanju skup samo-organizovanih i slabo koordinisanih lokalnih milicija. sto ce reci - moze neki komandant FSA u Homsu ili Hami da prica sta god mu padne na pamet, on u stvari pojma nema sta se to desilo u Alepu.

Edited February 10, 2012 by Gandalf

[Roger Sanchez]

Pa - taj vid sunitske borbe protiv šijitskog režima je sasvim normalna stvar u Iraku. Sad se lagano seli u Siriju, ispraksirani izvođači postoje u izobilju. Da je ostao samo u Iraku, možda bi ga Fida'i i zaz-pi nazvali borbom protiv okupacije ili kvislinškog režima.

[Gandalf]

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/02/10/lebanon-tripoli-idINDEE8190GW20120210

Heavy gunfire broke out in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli on Friday as armed supporters and opponents of President Bashar al-Assad took to the streets after a demonstration against the Syrian leader, residents said.Two rocket propelled grenades were fired and at least one person was wounded by stray gunfire, a security source said.The coastal city is dominated by Sunni Muslims who support the 11-month uprising against Assad in neighbouring Syria, but is also home to members of Assad's Alawite minority.

[Budja]

prvo priznaju, pa poricu, pa ne znaju ni sami sta je u pitanju... nista cudno, nije u pitanju vojska sa cvrstom organizacijom i jasnom strukturom komandovanja. vec je u pitanju skup samo-organizovanih i slabo koordinisanih lokalnih milicija. sto ce reci - moze neki komandant FSA u Homsu ili Hami da prica sta god mu padne na pamet, on u stvari pojma nema sta se to desilo u Alepu.

To nije sporno. Sporno je filtriranje informacija.Ako je haos, i ne zna se ko je za sta odogovoran (Alepo slucaj), onda je, valjda, to utisak koji citalac treba da ima a ne da se propagandno naginje ne jednu vodenicu.

[Prospero]

U.S. officials: Al Qaida behind Syria bombings

By Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers WASHINGTON — The Iraqi branch of al Qaida, seeking to exploit the bloody turmoil in Syria to reassert its potency, carried out two recent bombings in the Syrian capital, Damascus, and likely was behind suicide bombings Friday that killed at least 28 people in the largest city, Aleppo, U.S. officials told McClatchy. The officials cited U.S. intelligence reports on the incidents, which appear to verify Syrian President Bashar Assad's charges of al Qaida involvement in the 11-month uprising against his rule. The Syrian opposition has claimed that Assad's regime, which has responded with massive force against the uprising, staged the bombings to discredit the pro-democracy movement calling for his ouster....

[Indy]

Izvestaj je takvog tona da citalac nesumnjivo stice utisak da je rezim sam minirao zgradu. Naravno, bez ijednog proverljivogTo je, po meni, propaganda a ne izvestavanje.

Antiruska nota, ne baš neuobičajena za BBC?

Demonstrations were held in cities across Syria on what activists called, "Russia is killing our children" Friday, in response to Russia and China vetoing a UN Security Council resolution last week.

[Fida'i]

Syrians can bring down this regime

[Gandalf]

Nir Rosen: The Battle for Homs

To nije sporno. Sporno je filtriranje informacija.Ako je haos, i ne zna se ko je za sta odogovoran (Alepo slucaj), onda je, valjda, to utisak koji citalac treba da ima a ne da se propagandno naginje ne jednu vodenicu.

tu se slazem.

[Fida'i]

Nir Rosen: The Battle for Homs.

Nir Rosen reports from Homs. His article is simply an anthology of exaggerations, claims, rumors, fabrications, lies, deceptions and inventions by the Saudi/Qatari-supported Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Nir did not even bother to talk to any side except the side that killed the French journalist. Oh, yes: Nir did mention sectarian attacks on innocent `Alawites in one line: "Members of the Alawite community in Homs, as well as security officials, claimed that Alawites had been killed by mortars originating from Sunni areas." Notice that news of their killing is merely "claims".

[Bane5]

@Fida'i,kad je Homs u pitanju, drzavna TV u Siriji (Asadova TV) ovo potencira naglaseno i time izmedju ostalog opravdava akcije vojske u Homsu.Da li je to bas istina nasuprot onoga drugoga?Pracenje rata u Libiji me naucilo da je istina i jedno i drugo stim da je srazmerno posedovanju sile ubijanje vece na strani onoga sa vecom silom.