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Međutim, za ubuduće bi Ameri i ostali truli Zapadnjerosi trebali naručiti jednu lijepu zalihu ruskih bombi kako na PPP-u ne bi više imali problema sa zborom baba antibombo-narikača. Ruske bombe pogađaju samo teroriste, točno i precizno, ne sruše i ne unište ni jednu prelijepu zgradu i ne ubiju ni jednu nevinu nejač - to se najjasnije vidi na PPP-u gdje je brigada baba prolijevala rijeke suza zbog neke zemlje amero-bombardovane na svakoj parnoj i neparnoj stranici nekog play by bomb topika, a sad se smijuckaju, grickaju pistače i pljuckaju koštice.

 

Made in Russia, brate, rešava ti sve PPP probleme tih dana u mesecu.

 

 

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Namenski izgleda bas full presao na mracnu stranu. :)

Jedina strana kojoj namenski drzi stranu je - namenski  -_-

Ali, imam sve kraci fitilj na ovo pokondirena tikva model nekriticke odbrane/zastupanja svega zapadnogtm i seirenja nad ruskimtm sta god to i kako bilo.

I obrnuto.

Ko god je ma i ovlas pogledao ono sto sam na Siriji pisao o Siriji video je sta mislim o Rusima tamo.

Rodja, Anduril i Eraserhead su onaj kakosebesezvase, ZazPi valjda i Korki, samo bolje upakovani, dodatna mukatm je sto Rodja na sve pokusava jos da bude i duhovit, da se шали :isuse: ...

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Ali, imam sve kraci fitilj na ovo pokondirena tikva model nekriticke odbrane/zastupanja svega zapadnogtm i seirenja nad ruskimtm sta god to i kako bilo.

I obrnuto.

Ko god je ma i ovlas pogledao ono sto sam na Siriji pisao o Siriji video je sta mislim o Rusima tamo.

 

 

Možda na primjer ovaj divan in dubio pro reo,

I veceras sam te prosto i jednostavno pitao: bez obzira na tvoje simpatije i antipatije prema stranama u sukobu, bez obzira na opravdanost ili neopravdanost ruske intervencije, smatras li da su Rusi toliki idioti da na sebe, nepotrebno, osim ako ne znas nesto sto mi ne znamo, navuku odijum svega i svacega bombardujuci bas bolnice i bas one koje su pod pokroviteljstvom MSF.

jeeeer nema smisla da ruska bomba čak i omaši pa dekne u MSF bolnicu, pa dakle to nije ruska bomba! pa-pa truli zapadni rusoblatitelji, odbijte, jer ako nema smisla, nije se ni moglo dogoditi! OK? OK. Osim ako se dogodi Zapadu, namenski onda uvijek radije posumnja da je to namjerno, uostalom namenski je siguran da je Zapad zakuvao i arapsko proljeće. Pa što ako to nema smisla, jebeš smisao kad Zapad namenskom mora biti kriv jer mu sjebo nameštenje i uređenje

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My impression about this curious situation is that they simply do not see us; it is not about us at all. Syria is only an additional occasion for their old tirades, never the living subject of the debate. So they do not really need to know about us. For them the country is only a black box about which you do not have to learn its internal structure and dynamics; actually it has no internal structure and dynamics according to their approach, one that is at the same time Western-centered and high-politics centered.

 

The problem is that their narrow worldview only sees Obama, Putin, Holland, Erdoğan, Khamenei, Qatari Emir Hamad, Saudi King Abdullah, Hassan Nasrallah, and Bashar al-Assad. Possibly they see also Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. We, rank-and-file Syrians, refugees, women, students, intellectuals, human rights activists, political prisoners … do not exist.

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Možda na primjer ovaj divan in dubio pro reo,

jeeeer nema smisla da ruska bomba čak i omaši pa dekne u MSF bolnicu, pa dakle to nije ruska bomba! pa-pa truli zapadni rusoblatitelji, odbijte, jer ako nema smisla, nije se ni moglo dogoditi! OK? OK. Osim ako se dogodi Zapadu, namenski onda uvijek radije posumnja da je to namjerno, uostalom namenski je siguran da je Zapad zakuvao i arapsko proljeće. Pa što ako to nema smisla, jebeš smisao kad Zapad namenskom mora biti kriv jer mu sjebo nameštenje i uređenje

Ima, ima, nije da nema:

 

Sa Rusijom kao zemljom dogmatskog komunizma se znalo na cemu si, znala su se pravila igre, a ako me secanje i izvori ne varaju, vazila je za izuzetno pouzdanog poslovnog partnera od De Beersa na dalje.

Problem je danasnja Rusija: Saudijska Arabija sa A-bombom, prepuna unutrasnjih napetosti i potencijalnih konflikata, nesposobna da ponudi i sebi i svetu artikulisanu sliku sebe cak i u propagandne svrhe.

Koprca se izmedju ostataka vojne moci nasledjene od pokojnog SSSR-a, nacionalizma kao leka za unutrasnje napetosti, ekspanzionizma za koji - kako se upravo ispostavlja - nije sposobna ni softverski ni hardverski, nepouzdana kao ekonomski partner.

I koja je pri tom u polozaju klasicnog snabdevaca, isporucioca sirovinama i samo sirovinama.

A sa takvima tamogdetreba znaju da izadju na kraj i to tako da im na nos izadje.

 

Itd, itd, diljem foruma...

 

Samo, problem je u tome sto bi ti da posto-poto dokazes da si objektivan i pravoveran.

Konstrukcije kao sto su rusoljubitelji i rusoblatitelji prepustam tebi i tebi slicnima, bas kao i odbranu ubedjenja koje je takodje ovde moglo da se procita: da je Amerika 1 dobrodusni i dobronamerni cika cija je jedina briga da ostatku sveta donese demokratiju posle cega ce svi da zive srecno i zadovoljno narednih tisucu godina....

Mani me se bre. 

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My impression about this curious situation is that they simply do not see us; it is not about us at all. Syria is only an additional occasion for their old tirades, never the living subject of the debate. So they do not really need to know about us. For them the country is only a black box about which you do not have to learn its internal structure and dynamics; actually it has no internal structure and dynamics according to their approach, one that is at the same time Western-centered and high-politics centered.

 

The problem is that their narrow worldview only sees Obama, Putin, Holland, Erdoğan, Khamenei, Qatari Emir Hamad, Saudi King Abdullah, Hassan Nasrallah, and Bashar al-Assad. Possibly they see also Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. We, rank-and-file Syrians, refugees, women, students, intellectuals, human rights activists, political prisoners … do not exist.

 

 

 

Pa da, Sirija (i Sirijci) je iz subjekta regresirala u objekat istorije.

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The situation in Aleppo is worse than a slaughterhouse, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said.
 
UNITED NATIONS, UNITED STATES: UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned the attacks Wednesday on the two largest hospitals in rebel-held parts of Syria’s Aleppo as “war crimes.”
 
“Let us be clear. Those using ever more destructive weapons know exactly what they are doing. They know they are committing war crimes,” Ban told the Security Council.
 
“Imagine the destruction. People with limbs blown off. Children in terrible pain with no relief,” he said. “Imagine a slaughterhouse. This is worse.”
 
The two biggest hospitals in rebel-controlled parts of Aleppo have been bombed in what non-government organizations residents say are deliberate attacks by the Syrian regime and its Russian allies to eliminate these structures.
 
UN chief appalled by ‘chilling’ attacks on Syria’s Aleppo
 
In May, the UN Security Council adopted a resolution on the protection of health workers and facilities during armed conflicts, but there has been no letup in these kinds of attacks in Syria and Yemen.
 
“International law is clear: medical workers, facilities and transport must be protected. The wounded and sick — civilians and fighters alike — must be spared,” Ban said.
 
Deliberate attacks on hospitals are war crimes. Denying people access to essential health care violates international humanitarian law.
 
Ban cited statistics gathered by Physicians for Human Rights that show that 95 percent of the medical personnel who were in Aleppo before the war “have fled, been detained, or killed.”
 
“There must be action. There must be accountability,” he said.

 

 

 

Konacno da neko stvari nazove pravim imenom.

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My impression about this curious situation is that they simply do not see us; it is not about us at all. Syria is only an additional occasion for their old tirades, never the living subject of the debate. So they do not really need to know about us. For them the country is only a black box about which you do not have to learn its internal structure and dynamics; actually it has no internal structure and dynamics according to their approach, one that is at the same time Western-centered and high-politics centered.

 

The problem is that their narrow worldview only sees Obama, Putin, Holland, Erdoğan, Khamenei, Qatari Emir Hamad, Saudi King Abdullah, Hassan Nasrallah, and Bashar al-Assad. Possibly they see also Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. We, rank-and-file Syrians, refugees, women, students, intellectuals, human rights activists, political prisoners … do not exist.

 

 

Do not exist je posledica nemanja politickog identiteta.

 

Koji je politicki identitet, koherenetnost i jacina "rank-and-file Syrians, refugees, women, students, intellectuals, human rights activists, political prisoners"? U cemu se on ogleda?

 

Autor, sasvim sam siguran, zna da kada krene gradjanski rat takve jacine, patnje i terora, gde balkanski ratovi devedeseih izgledaju kao dacja igra, civilno drustvo je dead.

Plus, u Siriji verovatno nikada nije ni postojalo.

 

Tekst je jedno, prilicno beskorisno, drzanje moralne vertikale.

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Pa da, Sirija (i Sirijci) je iz subjekta regresirala u objekat istorije.

 

Da li su ikada u istoriji ovako srocene grupe

 

 

ank-and-file Syrians, refugees, women, students, intellectuals, human rights activists, political prisoners … do not exist.

 

bile subjekat gradjanskog rata?

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Finansiranje terorizma je isto ratni zlocin.

Nije ako su teroristi nasi™

 

 

... human rights activists...

E, ako su se ovi upisali, Sirijci nema da brinu...

 

 

Edit: ima li nesto o sirijskoj varijanti Pescanika?

Mislim, ono, da briga, kenjkanje i izvodjenje na pravi put budu kompletni.

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Do not exist je posledica nemanja politickog identiteta.

ne postoje za koga? za tebe, za mene, ili za njega?

 

suština napisanog je upravo u tome da autor tvrdi da za veliki broj posmatrača sa strane Sirijci uopšte ne postoje. ni na koji način, bilo kao pojedinci, ili kao grupe. kakav god politički identitet bio u pitanju. postoje jedino kao objekti sa kojima Ameri/Rusi/Turci imaju ovakav ili onakav odnos.

 

pa u suštini i ne moraš da znaš ništa o Siriji ili ovim i onim Sirijcima. dovoljno je da znaš ko je tu podržan od kog stranog faktora, i ko je kojem stranom faktoru neprijatelj.

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