Tsai Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Aljende je demokratski izabran predsednik jedne zemlje, a ovaj drugi je bacao ljude u okean i likvidirao ih po stadionima i parkovima. Valjda je pametnome dovoljno Link to comment
Pantelija jr Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Da, ali stabilnost... vladavina prava... Ne mogu da vjerujem da neko uopšte pokušava da odgovori na *ono* Link to comment
Gandalf Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) radije bi ziveo u gradu gde se vise bandi bore za prevlast i gde nije bezbedno ni preci ulicu... kao što napisah, ja sam živeo u (kontrolisanoj) anarhiji. uspostavi se nekakva ravnoteža, u kojoj niko nije u poziciji da radi šta god mu padne na pamet. taj detalj kako "nije bezbedno ni preci ulicu" je besmislica - to nije anarhično okruženje, već rat. ako je alternativa predatorska država, anarhija može da bude i prijatnija varijanta. zavisi. meni lično je anarhija bila prijatnija (ili manje loša, kako ti drago) varijanta od Slobine Srbije, a većini nekadašnjih komšija je anarhija bila prihvatljivija od stabilnosti koja im trenutno kuca na vrata. Edited March 14, 2016 by Gandalf Link to comment
Geo Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Da, recimo stanovnicima Bosne je za vreme brozove totalitarne vladavine bio pravi pakao, moralo je 50 godina da prodje da osete pravu slobodu u anarhiji, gde je svaka verska(nacionalna,politicka) policija drzala po neku oblast, grad, selo... Послато са D6683 уз помоћ Тапатока Edited March 14, 2016 by Geo Link to comment
Geo Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Two Russian soldiers reportedly killed in Latakia today Link to comment
Prospero Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Putin orders start of Russian forces' withdrawal from Syria MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday ordered his military to start the withdrawal of the main part of Russia's forces from Syria, saying that the Russian military intervention had largely achieved its objectives. Putin, at a meeting in the Kremlin with his defense and foreign ministers, said the pullout should start from Tuesday. He also ordered that Russia intensify its role in the peace process to end the conflict in Syria. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin had telephoned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to inform him of the Russian decision. by Tapatalk Edited March 14, 2016 by Prospero Link to comment
Anduril Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Aljende je demokratski izabran predsednik jedne zemlje, a ovaj drugi je bacao ljude u okean i likvidirao ih po stadionima i parkovima. Valjda je pametnome dovoljno Pa moze tako da se poredi van svakog konteksta. No, politicari i istoricari obicno uzimaju u obzir i kontekst - a taj je da su Aljendeovi lenjinisticki prijatelji pobili milione, dok su se drugi levicari distancirali od toga. Kako bi se Aljendeov eksperiment dalje odvijao u onoj atmosferi haosa, Hladnog rata, krvavih komunistickih revolucija i levicarskih gerila sirom sveta, tesko je predvideti. Ne pada mi na pamet da opravdavam Pinocea i njegove zlocine, nego prosto objasnjavam kontekst u kom je bilo itekako legitimno podrzati svrgavanje Aljendea koji je i sam pogazio ustav i nebrojene zakone sopstvene zemlje. Demokratija ne daje pravo izabranim da krse pravila pod kojima su izabrani. Link to comment
Geo Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Putin orders start of Russian forces' withdrawal from Syria MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday ordered his military to start the withdrawal of the main part of Russia's forces from Syria, saying that the Russian military intervention had largely achieved its objectives. Putin, at a meeting in the Kremlin with his defense and foreign ministers, said the pullout should start from Tuesday. He also ordered that Russia intensify its role in the peace process to end the conflict in Syria. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin had telephoned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to inform him of the Russian decision. by Tapatalk Putin: "The Air Force and Naval bases Hmeymim and Tartus in Syria will stay and operate normally". Reallno nema potreba za rizikom i vecim brojem kopnenih snaga na terenu, oni su ionako sluzili kao bajpas dok se ne osposobe lokalni da rukuju tehnikom ... p.s. Uopste mi nije jasna strategija kurda, sta su hteli da postignu sa ovim teroristickim napadom(prvi put meta civili) u Ankari u trenutku kada je ceo svet na njihovoj strani i kada napreduju na svim poljima ... Toliko mi je suludo , da pocinjem da sumnajm da su to uopste oni uradili ... Edited March 14, 2016 by Geo Link to comment
ManicMiner Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Retrospektiva Aljendeovih grehova: Ruling by decree, thwarting the normal legislative system Refusing to enforce judicial decisions against its partisans; not carrying out sentences and judicial resolutions that contravened its objectives Ignoring the decrees of the independent General Comptroller's Office Sundry media offenses; usurping control of the National Television Network and applying economic pressure against those media organizations that are not unconditional supporters of the government Allowing its Socialist supporters to assemble with arms, and preventing the same by its right-wing opponents Supporting more than 1,500 illegal takeovers of farms Illegal repression of the El Teniente miners’ strike Illegally limiting emigration Pravi horor. Sa druge strane - pustanje na slobodu politickih zatvorenika; masovne kampanje opismenjavanja stanovnistva, pogotovu indijanskog; po prvi put ukljucenje indijanskih predstavnika u drzavnu upravu; sirenje mreze skola i bolnica; povecanje penzija 5 puta; povecanje plata 30-50%; masovna izgradnja stanova za socijano ugrozene delove stanovnistva koji su ziveli po prcvarnicama ala karton siti; agrarna reforma gde bi se 60% obradive zemlje u rukama nekoliko hiljada porodica razdelilo na stotine hiljada farmi maksimalne velicine do 8 ha (ne do kraja uspesno) itd. Ovo bi sve mozda i proslo da cena bakra na svetskom trzistu nije kolapsirala na sredini njegove vladavine i na taj nacin ruinirala cileansku privredu. Ovako.... osim sto mu je americka administracija od pocetka radila o glavi, nije imao ni srece. Neke druge zemlje, sa neuporedivo rigidnijim i krvolocnijim rezimima ali i sa naftom kao strateskom sirovinom, zive su i zdrave i dan-danas. Edited March 14, 2016 by ManicMiner Link to comment
Marcus Wulffings Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 putinovo iznenađenje: In a surprise move, Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to start withdrawing the "main part" of its forces in Syria from Tuesday. He said the Russian intervention had largely achieved its objectives. Link to comment
Bane5 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) ... pobedio je mir. Edited March 14, 2016 by Bane5 Link to comment
steins Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Putin se sprema da rokne Turke, mmw Послато са D6503 уз помоћ Тапатока Link to comment
ObiW Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Bacuska dosao, video, porazio. Sad kad je objasnio, vise nema potrebe da se zadrzava u Siriji. Link to comment
Marcus Wulffings Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 koliko li će da potraje taj mir? Link to comment
Marcus Wulffings Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) istestirao svoje avione, daljinski navođene projektile, izreklamirao se... nema šta, nazad kući; u obzir uzeti jedan oboreni avion i jedan ubijeni pilot Edited March 14, 2016 by Marcus Wulffings Link to comment
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