Eraserhead Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 ironija je da jesu, ali ni najupuceniji ti sada ne mogu objasniti sa kojim FSA jedinicama SDF hoce da saradjuje, a sa kojima nece. cini se da u nekom trenutku hoce sa svima, u nekom sa pojedinim, a kao u slucaju ovog i potencijalnih napada na azaz nece ni sa jednom. Delovi FSA su ucestvovali u oslobadjanju teritorija od ISISa na severu, da. Kao sto sada imamo priliku videti, na strani YPG nije cela FSA, jer se trenutno bore kod Afrina. Da, ima smisla jer i svaka od tih krovnih organizacija je sastavljena od buljuka manjih.
ravena Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Mozes da uvecavas do sutra, nece ti mnogo pomoci u odbrani Sorosa. Evropa "prima" izbeglice tako sto one dodju na njenu teritoriju. Kao sad i ima problema. I opet sledi pitanje, koje uporno izbegavas i stalno navodis vodenicu na nesto drugo: Soros kaze da Evropa treba da primi milion izbeglica godisnje. Intervencija u Siriji koju sprovodi Rusija ce dovesti do novih milion izbeglica ove godine. U cemu je onda problem? Kako ce Rusija da plavi Evropu izbeglicama, hoce li cela Sirija da se uputi ka EU? Na stranu sad da vec traje priliv izbeglica pre ruske intervencije, dakle najobicniji spin.
Bane5 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Da, ima smisla jer i svaka od tih krovnih organizacija je sastavljena od buljuka manjih. hm, ne bih rekao, postoji krovni cilj kojem kurdi teze i njegovo ostvarenje je moguce kroz niz manjih pa je tako od situacije do situacije FSA (tj. pojedine grupe) pozeljna i prijateljska, a nekad je neprijatelj. u ovom trenutku su kurdi u laksoj poziciji da biraju sa kim ce i kako ce. kazem kurdi jer su oni ipak veci partner u SDF-u. da cela zavrzlama nije konacna, u kurdskom predgradju alepa imas i sukob na liniji pro-asadovske snage (sijaset zvanicnih i nezvanicnih grupacija sa dosta stranaca) i YPG snage koje brane to predgradje.
Аврам Гојић Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Soros kaze da Evropa treba da primi milion izbeglica godisnje. Intervencija u Siriji koju sprovodi Rusija ce dovesti do novih milion izbeglica ove godine. U cemu je onda problem? Da li je moguće da veruješ da je Soroš napisao da je taj izbeglički talas nešto poželjno i dobro?
ravena Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 hm, ne bih rekao, postoji krovni cilj kojem kurdi teze i njegovo ostvarenje je moguce kroz niz manjih pa je tako od situacije do situacije FSA (tj. pojedine grupe) pozeljna i prijateljska, a nekad je neprijatelj. u ovom trenutku su kurdi u laksoj poziciji da biraju sa kim ce i kako ce. kazem kurdi jer su oni ipak veci partner u SDF-u. da cela zavrzlama nije konacna, u kurdskom predgradju alepa imas i sukob na liniji pro-asadovske snage (sijaset zvanicnih i nezvanicnih grupacija sa dosta stranaca) i YPG snage koje brane to predgradje. Sto je jos gore, u dve regije su u savezu sa SAA. Da li je moguće da veruješ da je Soroš napisao da je taj izbeglički talas nešto poželjno i dobro? Sto da ne? Da li se Evropa suocava sa malim natalitetom? Da li postoje zemlje koje su trenutno u ratnom stanju? Sad ces mi jos reci kako Soros veruje u nacionalne drzave.
Аврам Гојић Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Sto da ne? Pa recimo zato što to nije rekao.
Bane5 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Sto je jos gore, u dve regije su u savezu sa SAA. upravo tako.
dillinger Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Zašto bi Asad i Rusi pristali na primirje u ovom trenu?
Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Primirje ne vazi za Isis i Nusru. Buduci da je Nusrino prisustvo najvece u u Idlibu koji je de facto postao najveca pobunjenicka enklava, a u kojoj ima svega i svacega, verujem da ce SAA nastaviti tamo operacije bar iz smera Latakije pod izgovorom da je sve to Nusra. by Tapatalk
Muwan Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Ne znam kako misle da izostave Nusru iz primirja, to praktično znači obustavu borbi samo u ovom džepu koji ide prema Turskoj. Nusra je solidno rasporedjena u samom Alepu i na teritorijama koje rebeli drže oko Idliba.
Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 “Statement of the International Syria Support Group meeting in Munich on February 11 & 12, 2016, as the International Syria Support Group (ISSG), the Arab League, China, Egypt, the EU, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Jordan, Lebanon, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United Nations, and the United States decided that humanitarian access will commence this week to besieged areas, and an ISSG task force will within one week elaborate modalities for a nationwide cessation of hostilities.The ISSG members unanimously committed to immediately facilitate the full implementation of the UN Security Council Resolution 2254, adopted unanimously December 18, 2015.The ISSG reaffirmed their readiness to carry out all commitments set forth in the resolution, including to: ensure a Syrian-led and Syrian-owned political transition based on the Geneva communique in its entirety; press for the end of any indiscriminate use of weapons; support and accelerate the agreement and implementation of a nationwide ceasefire; facilitate immediate humanitarian access to besieged and hard-to-reach areas and the release of any arbitrarily detained persons; and fight terrorism.Ensuring humanitarian accessIn order to accelerate the urgent delivery of humanitarian aid, sustained delivery of assistance shall begin this week by air to Deir Ez Zour and simultaneously to Fouah, Kafrayah, the besieged areas of rural Damascus, Madaya, Mouadhimiyeh, and Kafr Batna by land, and continue as long as humanitarian needs persist.Humanitarian access to these most urgent areas will be a first step toward full, sustained, and unimpeded access throughout the country. The members of the ISSG will use their influence with all parties on the ground to work together, in coordination with the United Nations, to ensure that all parties allow immediate and sustained humanitarian access to reach all people in need, throughout Syria, particularly in all besieged and hard-to-reach areas, as called for in UNSCR 2254.To this end, the UN will submit a plan to an ISSG humanitarian task force, which shall convene on February 12 and next week. This group will comprise the ISSG co-chairs, relevant UN entities and members of the ISSG with influence on the parties in a position to ensure humanitarian access.The ISSG reaffirmed that humanitarian access should not benefit any particular group over any other, but shall be granted by all sides to all people in need, in full compliance with UNSCR 2254 and international humanitarian law. The ISSG asks the UN to report weekly, on behalf of the task force, on progress on the implementation of the plan referenced above, so that in any cases where access lags or approvals are lacking, relevant ISSG members will use their influence to press the requested party/parties to provide that approval.There will be a process for resolving any problems so that relief can flow expeditiously. Any questions about access or delivery will be resolved through the task force.All ISSG members commit to immediately work together with the Syrian parties to ensure no delay in the granting of approval and completion of all pending UN requests for access in accordance with UNSCR 2254, paragraph 12.ISSG co-chairs and members will ensure that aid convoys are used solely for humanitarian purposes. International humanitarian organisations, in particular the United Nations, will play the central role, as they engage the Syrian government, the opposition and local populations, in arranging the monitoring and sustained and uninterrupted distribution of aid.Achieving a nationwide cessation of hostilitiesThe ISSG members agreed that a nationwide cessation of hostilities must be urgently implemented, and should apply to any party currently engaged in military or paramilitary hostilities against any other parties other than Daesh, Jabhat al-Nusra, or other groups designated as terrorist organisations by the United Nations Security Council.The ISSG members commit to exercise influence for an immediate and significant reduction in violence leading to the nationwide cessation of hostilities. The ISSG members decided to take immediate steps to secure the full support of all parties to the conflict for a cessation of hostilities, and in furtherance of that have established an ISSG ceasefire task force, under the auspices of the UN, co-chaired by Russia and the United States, and including political and military officials, with the participation of ISSG members with influence on the armed opposition groups or forces fighting in support of the Syrian government.The UN shall serve as the secretariat of the ceasefire task force. The cessation of hostilities will commence in one week, after confirmation by the Syrian government and opposition, following appropriate consultations in Syria.During that week, the ISSG task force will develop modalities for the cessation of hostilities. The ISSG task force will, among other responsibilities continue to: a) delineate the territory held by Daesh, ANF and other groups designated as terrorist organisations by the United Nations Security Council; b) ensure effective communications among all parties to promote compliance and rapidly de-escalate tensions; c) resolve allegations of non-compliance; and d) refer persistent non-compliant behaviour by any of the parties to ISSG Ministers, or those designated by the Ministers, to determine appropriate action, including the exclusion of such parties from the arrangements for the cessation of hostilities and the protection it affords them.Although a cessation of hostilities can facilitate humanitarian access, it cannot be a precondition for such access anywhere in Syria. The ISSG decided that all members will undertake their best efforts, in good faith, to sustain the cessation of hostilities and delivery of humanitarian assistance, and take measures to stop any activities prohibited by United Nations Security Council Resolutions 2170, 2178, 2199, 2249, 2253, and 2254.The ISSG again expressed concern for the plight of refugees and internally displaced persons and the imperative of building conditions for their safe return in accordance with the norms of international humanitarian law and taking into account the interests of host countries.Advancing a political transitionThe members of the ISSG reaffirmed the imperative of all sides engaging in negotiations under the auspices of the United Nations as soon as possible, in strict compliance with United Nations Security Council 2254.They reaffirmed that it is for the Syrian people to decide the future of Syria. The members of the ISSG pledge to do all they can to facilitate rapid progress in these negotiations, including the reaching of agreement within six months on a political transition plan that establishes credible, inclusive and non-sectarian governance and sets a schedule and process for drafting a new constitution, free and fair elections, pursuant to the new constitution, to be held within 18 months and administered under supervision of the United Nations, to the satisfaction of the governance and to the highest international standards of transparency and accountability, with all Syrians, including members of the diaspora, eligible to participate.Full implementation of these objectives will require the ISSG co-chairs and members, the UN and others, to work closely on political, humanitarian, and military dimensions.”
Bane5 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 lokacije gde se nalazi nusra prakticno znaci da bi sukobi morali da budu nastavljeni u alepu, hami, idlibu, zaledju latakije... a primirije bi bi moglo da funkcionise u dari, u dzepu kod azaza i mozda u dumi. vec tu se vidi da prica o 'nacionalnom' primirju nema prodju na vecini teritorija. ja napisah kao prvi komentar, cemu ovakvo primirje kada je inace rusija SVE (ali bukvalvo SVE) pobunjenicke formacije bombardovala bez ikakve zadrske pod sifrom da su to sve 'teroristi, dzihadisti, da se tu nalazi nusra i sl.' ako rusi ne budu menjali svoj stav o tome, onda ce nastaviti da bombarduju svuda.
vathra Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Odakle im balisticke rakete? Изгледа да јеменска армија има одређени број ракета Точка. Са њима су неколико пута успешно дејствовали по саудијским базама, наводно са по више десетина мртвих. Осим тога имају и неку карабуџевину, скрпљена балистичка ракета од ПВО ракете Двина. Како то ради и да ли уопште ради ми није јасно. Такође исту ракету користе у изворној намени, пре неки дан су са њом погодили БПЛ Предатор. Е тек је то за чуђење јер се ради о систему који је 50 година стар, сами Арапи нису познати као добри одржаватељи оружја, приде је Јемен у распаду већ годинама, а те исте ракете код нас нису биле коришћене 99-те. Очигледно да имају и стручни кадар и техничку помоћ са стране да би тако нешто могли да изведу.
fikret selimbašić Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Изгледа да јеменска армија има одређени број ракета Точка. Са њима су неколико пута успешно дејствовали по саудијским базама, наводно са по више десетина мртвих. Осим тога имају и неку карабуџевину, скрпљена балистичка ракета од ПВО ракете Двина. Како то ради и да ли уопште ради ми није јасно. Такође исту ракету користе у изворној намени, пре неки дан су са њом погодили БПЛ Предатор. Е тек је то за чуђење јер се ради о систему који је 50 година стар, сами Арапи нису познати као добри одржаватељи оружја, приде је Јемен у распаду већ годинама, а те исте ракете код нас нису биле коришћене 99-те. Очигледно да имају и стручни кадар и техничку помоћ са стране да би тако нешто могли да изведу. Ovo su Srbi u bosanskom ratu koristili '93. Dvina/Volkhov. Nakon lansiranja izvrti par krugova na četiri-pet km visine a onda se stušti na zemlju, neprecizno ali golem zijan napravi onde gdje udari.
vathra Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Ovo su Srbi u bosanskom ratu koristili '93. Dvina/Volkhov. Nakon lansiranja izvrti par krugova na četiri-pet km visine a onda se stušti na zemlju, neprecizno ali golem zijan napravi onde gdje udari. Не, користили су обичну ракету. Она може да гађа и циљ на земљи сасвим прецизно ако има радарски одраз, само што је проблем што га по Босни не може добити. На мору или у равници може. Ово што су направили у Јемену је изгледа други систем вођења, морали су да нешто мењају у електроници, да ли код лансера или код ракете.
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