Sirija

[Caligula]

Ona dva spasilačka helikoptera su bila u zoni i jurila posadu dok su piloti još uvek bili u vazduhu.

Bilo je baš ozbiljno šenlučenje po ovoj dvojci pilota dok su padali, a to je baš potrajalo zbog velike visine... pucalo se i iz protivavionskih kalibara, evo dužeg snimka gde se vide i pucači.

 

 

Lepo je ovo ratno ludilo, prosto vidis spiralu nasilja kako se materijalizuje i raste ti pred ocima.

Edited November 24, 2015 by Caligula

[Caligula]

Evo tih slika:

 

 

 

Ovi bas i ne deluju kao da su zavrsili istoriju umetnosti.

 

Kakav olos vlada ovom planetom, da se smrznes

[Prospero]

 

Один из пилотов сбитого Су24 погиб в воздухе от огня с земли - Минобороны

 

 

Ovde zapravo kaže da je jedan od pilota poginuo u vazduhu od vatre sa zemlje.

[barrcode]

Realno njegova pozicija je bulja - na granici sa Sirijom ima Asada koji mu želi glavu, Kurde - koji mu žele glavu, ISIL - koji žele da rade s njim, al ne bi imali ništa protiv da mu skinu glavu, FSA koji saradjuju s njim al ga ne vole mnogo (i skinuli bi mu glavu kad ne bi od njega zavisili), i nešto turkmenistanaca koji ga vole. 

Uz to na severu i jugu  ima ruse koji rade s njim, al bi mu rado skinuli glavu

U zemlji ima Kurde koji bi mu skinuli glavu, opoziciju, koja bi mi skinula glavu i NATO koji ga verovatno žestoko kinji da bude proaktivan™ u Siriji na način koji mu se baš i ne dopada - i ne bi imao ništa protiv da mu skinu glavu. 

 

 

epic fail u odnosu sta i kako je sve to trebalo da bude sa politikom "zero problems with neighbors"

nekada:

 

Not so long ago, Turkey seemed to have found the elusive formula for foreign policy success. Its newly-adopted philosophy, "zero problems with neighbors," won praise both at home and abroad as Ankara reengaged with the Middle East following a half century of estrangement. It expanded business and trade links with Arab states, as well as Iran, lifted visa restrictions with neighboring countries, and even helped mediate some of the region’s toughest disputes, brokering talks between Syria and Israel, Fatah and Hamas, and Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

sada:

 

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has admitted to Turkey's own isolation. "I do not mind isolation in the world," Erdogan said, and claimed that "other world leaders might be jealous of him."

[mackenzie]

Sudeći po ovoj fotografiji ovi iz turkmenske brigade su podbornici turanske ideologije kao i ona grupa Sivi vukovi.

 

[Takeshi]

Ovde zapravo kaže da je jedan od pilota poginuo u vazduhu od vatre sa zemlje.

 

jeste, obrisao sam moj komentar, pomesao sam vise tvitova u brzom citanju. 

[Singer]

Kinezi su uzdržani

 

俄羅斯一架戰機24日在敘利亞邊界地帶遭土耳其擊落，俄國總統普亭（Vladimir Putin）立即痛批： 「被恐怖分子的同路人由背後捅了一刀」，並警告兩國關係將受到嚴重影響。......繼續閱讀 》》

[Gandalf]

Ovi bas i ne deluju kao da su zavrsili istoriju umetnosti.

 

Kakav olos vlada ovom planetom, da se smrznes

mda... reklo bi se da su u pitanju muslimani.

[Eraserhead]

epic fail u odnosu sta i kako je sve to trebalo da bude sa politikom "zero problems with neighbors"

nekada:

 

sada:

 

 

Sustinski sukob dve autokrate koji nemaju najbolje odnose sa velikim brojem vaznih igraca i koji ce sada jedan na drugom da mere patku. Divota,

[Prospero]

Oće li to RTE da umoči noge u Siriju?

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2015 by Prospero

[dillinger]

Kao sto sam rekao

 

@business: NATO calls for "calm and de-escalation" after alliance member Turkey shot down a Russian warplane https://t.co/PUUu0QAvIE

 

The common enemy should be ISIL and I would welcome all efforts to fight ISIL,” Stoltenberg told reporters. “It is important that all of us, also Russia, is guided by the overarching goal of defeating ISIL.”

 

 

Šta si rekao i šta nalaziš bitno u ovoj mirusvetu izjavi pored otvorene podrške Turskoj koju su iskazali i Obama i Stoltenberg?

[Anduril]

U sustini i Putin i Erdogan ovim dobijaju na unutrasnjem planu a drzave im i dalje gube na spoljnjem - posebno ekonomski.

Oba vladara samo nastavljaju put ka jos vecim problemima radi kratkorocne stabilnosti i popularnosti svojih rezima.

Odlicni takticari a losi stratezi.

[Eraserhead]

Šta si rekao i šta nalaziš bitno u ovoj mirusvetu izjavi pored otvorene podrške Turskoj koju su iskazali i Obama i Stoltenberg?

 

Ovo sam rekao:

 

 

Mislim da ce veceras NATO suzdrzano stati iza Turske - "Pozivamo na smirivanje situacije. Svako ima pravo da brani svoju teritoriju. Treba da se fokusiramo na stvarnu pretnju, ISIS."

 

 

Nije ovo apsolutna podrska Turskoj. I ne treba da bude, bar 50% krivice ide njima.  Mislim da je bitno to sto se spusta lopta. Napravljeno je sranje najgore bsto moze da se napravi da sada gase benzinom.  

[Prospero]

^^ Pa nema dobre taktike ako je strategija loša, tj i taktika je nužno gubitnička (pričam načelno).

 

 

Btw, zanimljiv tekstić sa Hurijeta od pre 3 godine, ima tone relevantnosti za ovo od danas.

 

Turkey's air space has been violated 114 separate times so far this year but each instance was quickly resolved peacefully, the General Staff has said following Syria’s downing of a Turkish warplane for violating its airspace.
 
"We would have shot down 114 planes if every aircraft that violated a country's airspace were shot down without questioning," the General Staff said, according to daily Milliyet. 
 
A majority of the violations were done by Greek aircraft, with Italian and Israeli aircraft also known to have violated Turkish air space this year. "Air space violations are incidents that happen almost every day, and are resolved in a matter of minutes within international law," the General Staff said in a statement. 
 
Six airplanes violated Turkish airspace last week alone, the General Staff said, of which none were shot down and left Turkey's airspace after they were warned by Turkish personnel. 
 
A violation of one to two kilometers is accepted as "natural" given the speed of aircraft, the statement said. This year's violations of Turkish airspace lasted between 20 seconds and nine minutes, which showed "airspace violations can be resolved by warning and interceptions," the statement said. 
 
According to radar traces provided by the chief of General Staff, the Turkish F-4 jet that was downed on June 22 was hit 13 nautical miles off the Syrian coast in international waters but crashed in Syrian territorial waters. The records show that the Turkish jet unintentionally violated Syrian airspace at 11:42 a.m. for five minutes, 16 minutes before contact was lost with the jet. At 11:44 a.m. Turkish radars informed the jet that it had entered Syrian airspace and told it to leave as soon as possible. 

 

 

My, my, norme, pravila upotrebe snaga... :D

[vememah]

Oće li to RTE da umoči noge u Siriju?

 

Nije baš najjasnije, po TRT-u takođe ispada tako, a CNN Türk piše da bi to sproveo sa saveznicima. Takođe je optužio Ruse da se foliraju da napadaju ISIS, a ustvari ubijaju Turkmene, tj. kako je rekao "naše rođake".