Sirija

[Indy]

Wikileaks Partija je u ne baš najsrećnije nazvanoj "delegaciji solidarnosti" u zvaničnoj poseti Siriji, tj. Assadu.("Solidarnost" se, ako se pažljivo čita, odnosi na protivljenje zapadnoj intervenciji u Siriji, ne nužno na režim. "Mirotvorna" delegacija, ili štagod slično, bi bilo daleko bolje, i prištedelo bi lepe municije mrziteljima Wikileaksa... koju zasad ispaljuju po twitteru.)

[Indy]

[Filipenko]

Au jbt :(

[akibono]

slika je fejk, marketing što se kaže... ovo mu dođe kao nastavakhttps://twitter.com/abdulaziz_Photo/status/424000220381605889/photo/1

[fikret selimbašić]

slika je fejk, marketing što se kaže... ovo mu dođe kao nastavakhttps://twitter.com/...1605889/photo/1

Mene je i prije ove twitter slike ovo sa grobovima opasno podsjetilo na onaj VN i Uroš Predić događaj. Nikad mi neće biti jasno zašto se propagandisti koriste ovakvim lažima, bar je u ratovima pravih strahota sasvim dovoljno.

[Dionysos]

мене овакве ствари ужасавају, људи су хладнокрвно погубљени зато што нису дали одговарајући одговор на питање о молитви упозорење, снимак приказује убиство камионџија http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=73e_1389191167

[Indy]

Grobovi mozda nisu fejk. Sve u svemu, uzas.

[Bane5]

ne zna se sta je gore - da li stradanje dece ili manipulacija koja koristi decu. dok je takvih prevara, one prave muke ce biti devalvirane.evo jedne nemontirane.u pitanju je rojtersova fotografija nastala tokom spasavanja prezivelih nakon bombardovanja jednog predgradja damaska u decembru.

[Gandalf]

Nikad mi neće biti jasno zašto se propagandisti koriste ovakvim lažima, bar je u ratovima pravih strahota sasvim dovoljno.

slika ili video snimak imaju znatno vecu tezinu u svakoj propagandi. stvar je u tome da strahote vrlo retko bivaju snimljene, pa postoji potreba da se pribegne montazi.sokantna slicica ce imati znatno veci uticaj od pisanih opisa i svedocenja.

[Muwan]

Grobovi mozda nisu fejk. Sve u svemu, uzas.

Grobovi verovatno nisu fejk ali na njih slabo ko reaguje. Da bi zgrožena javnost nešto šerovala™, potrebna je ključna zaprška u vidu lika koji, zgrožen, tvituje kako se rasplakao nad dečakom koji leži pored mrtvih roditelja. E, onda će neko najzad primetiti dva groba (i opet ostati slep na još 20k drugih grobova koji nisu pronašli svoj put do srca politički osvešćenih tviteraša).Twitter ima svoju ulogu u društvu ali treba dobro proveriti verodostojnost onoga što se tamo kači.Mada, autentičnost sama po sebi ne garantuje prolaz. Kad je bio masakr Braće u Kairu, postojao je snimak iz Rabije, mlada žena leži (verovatno) mrtva na podu improvizovane ambulante, a iznad nje klinac od 7-8 godina neutešno plače i doziva majku da se probudi. Čak i nakon što je nekoliko stranih novinara potvrdilo autentičnost (nisam siguran da li je i Fisk bio medju njima), taj snimak je slabo ko izvan MB šerovao.

[Indy]

Ja sam samo preneo ono sto je bilo na twitteru (btw. retweetovano od Georgea Monbiota, znaci ne bas bilo koga). Mislim da nema potrebe deliti nekakve lekcije s visoka zato sto je neko naseo na ono sto je sad ocito propagandni foto. (EDIT. U stvari, nije ni propagandni foto, pre bi se mogao definisati kao prank nekoga sa veoma crnim smislom za humor).

Edited January 18, 2014 by Indy

[Muwan]

Iskoristio sam tvoj post da se nadovežem sa generalnim mišljenjem, naravno da ne mislim da su tebi potrebne lekcije.

[Prospero]

Syria opposition votes to attend Geneva II peace talksA Free Syrian Army fighter in Idlib. The US had pressed the opposition to join the talksSyria's main political opposition group, the Syrian National Coalition (SNC), has agreed to attend next week's so-called Geneva II peace talks, to be held in Montreux.Its representatives took the decision at a meeting in the Turkish city, Istanbul.The aim of the talks is to start the process of setting up a transitional government to end the war in Syria.The three-year conflict has claimed the lives of more than 100,000 people.An estimated two million people have fled the country and some 6.5 million have been internally displaced.

AnalysisJim Muir BBC News, BeirutThe Western powers who support the Syrian opposition will be relieved that the coalition's general assembly finally came up with a vote in favour of going to Geneva II. But it's less than the resounding display of unanimity and unity that the advocates of the process had been hoping for.While the Yes vote of 58 made up a substantial majority of the 73 who took part, it's less than half of the 120-strong general assembly. That means that substantial parts of the coalition stayed away in disapproval of the venture.So there are bound to be questions about how representative the opposition negotiating team will be. The coalition was under huge Western pressure to attend, but in doing so, it's taking a big political risk in the hope that it does offer a political way of achieving its goal of removing the Assad regime, as the Western powers are insisting it will.

'Essential process'Of the delegates who voted, 58 were in favour, 14 were against, while one abstained.The BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says Western powers will be relieved at the vote, although it is less than the display of unanimity the advocates of the talks had hoped for.Syrian opposition figures had earlier expressed reluctance to go to Switzerland unless Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was excluded from any future transitional government.Syria says there cannot be any pre-conditions.Last week, Syria's National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar said no-one should expect a breakthrough at the talks, adding: "The solution has begun and will continue through the military triumph of the state."However, Syria on Friday did offer a prisoner exchange with rebels and Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said he had also presented a ceasefire plan for the second city Aleppo during talks with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov.Refugees in Karkamis, Turkey. An estimated two million people have fled SyriaUS Secretary of State John Kerry had urged the opposition to join the 21 January talks."It is about establishing a process essential to the formation of a transitional governing body with full executive powers, established by mutual consent," Mr Kerry said.Mr Lavrov is keen for Iran to be part of the peace talks, but Mr Kerry has said that Tehran must first agree to the Geneva I communique which calls for a political transition in Syria.

[Prospero]

JAN 17, 2014 2 The Enemy in Syria

MADRID – The Geneva II Middle East peace conference, to be held on January 22, will take place against a backdrop of singularly appalling numbers: Syria’s brutal civil has left an estimated 130,000 dead, 2.3 million refugees registered in neighboring countries, and some four million more internally displaced. The stakes at the conference are thus exceptionally high, both for Syria and for its neighbors, which are straining against severe destabilization. Lebanon has taken in more than 800,000 Syrian refugees. Jordan and Turkey have more than a half-million each. Iraq has received more than 200,000, and Egypt has nearly 150,000. These figures, a result of three years of civil war, are simply inacceptable. What seemed like a new phase of the Arab revolts in early 2011 has become the worst conflict so far this century. Meanwhile, the international community has been disastrously divided. Since the fighting began, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has had Russia’s explicit international support. But while Russia’s strategy, from the outset, has been coherent and well-defined, the West’s has not. The United States and the European Union have remained hesitant, establishing no clear aims regarding the conflict. This vacillation contrasts starkly with the position taken by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar, which have steadfastly supported the Sunni opposition to Assad, and that of Shia Iran and its Lebanese proxy, Hezbollah, which have been equally resolute in supporting the regime.Syria’s civil war has crystallized the complex geopolitical problem that has long characterized the region: the Sunni-Shia cleavage. The sectarian divide underlies the latent struggle for regional control between Saudi Arabia and Iran. The radicalization of Syria’s opposition, however, has complicated the situation even further, nesting one problem within another – much like Russian matryoshka dolls. The Sunnis are divided, with the more moderate forces opposing the radical Al Qaeda affiliates. In fact, in just the last few days, internecine clashes have left more than 700 dead.The turn for the worse followed last year’s chain of events, which started with the United Nations’ accusation that the Assad regime had used chemical weapons and ended with the US-Russia brokered agreement to destroy the regime’s chemical arsenal (thereby avoiding a poorly planned and ill-timed Western military intervention). Indeed, it is now clear that the agreement’s chief side effect has been to breathe new life into the regime, thereby frustrating the hope of the more moderate rebel groups and allowing Al Qaeda-linked forces to gather support and strength within the opposition.The consequences of this radicalization are spreading throughout the region and worldwide. Syria is now a problem for global security. The main concern now seems to have shifted to defeating Al Qaeda, rather than Assad. The region is in turmoil, and the presence of groups affiliated with Al Qaeda is an enormous risk for everyone. Indeed, ten years after the start of the war in Iraq, groups affiliated with Al Qaeda have taken control of key Iraqi cities, including the symbolically important city of Fallujah.The Geneva II conference offers an opportunity to address these dangers. But risks abound. We still do not know who will represent the Syrian opposition, or if the Syrian National Council ‒ which demands that Assad step down unconditionally ‒ will even be there. The regime, for its part, wants the conference to focus on combating the growing extremist presence within the opposition, which it refers to generically as “terrorist.”Nor is it known whether Iran will participate. As a key actor in the conflict, Iran should have an important role in its resolution. And, despite the resistance of Saudi Arabia and the Sunni opposition, the US and the EU currently seem more inclined to accept Iran’s inclusion in the Geneva II negotiations, especially now that advances are being made in the implementation of the international agreement on Iran’s nuclear program concluded in November.The top priority at the conference must be to secure a ceasefire. This is the only way to return to what should be the international community’s main concern: ending the suffering of the Syrian population, restoring their country to them, and offering them the chance to construct the peaceful future they deserve.Beyond the geopolitical risks that Syria’s civil war has created, the suffering of millions of human beings cries out for an end to the violence. After three years of war, a ceasefire is currently the best path to peace. For that reason, Geneva II is an opportunity that must not be wasted.Read more at http://www.project-s...EWwBAE5jVWzz.99

meni se čini da se zapad bori sam sa sobom oko prioriteta u siriji (obama vs neokoni i libintervencionisti, npr), te da neki u evropi - javier u ovom slučaju - pokušavaju da pomognu jednoj strani - obaminoj - da prevagne u toj borbi.

[Bane5]

pitanje pritoriteta je sada nametnutno da bi se nasao izgovor za neimanje strategije.samo to je dovoljno da se zakljuci da su ovakve teme prenategnute i pustene da bi se fijasko necim pravdao.