Sirija

[Berger]

Da, baš šteta što nećemo gledati jedan dugi i krvavi građanski rat, koji će trajno uneti zlu krv među različitim verskim grupama i verovatno dovesti do progona hrišćana i alavita.

[Roger Sanchez]

Nisam ni sumnjao da će se javiti ljubavnici državotvorne, legitimne i neupitne čizme.

[Аврам Гојић]

Da, baš šteta što nećemo gledati jedan dugi i krvavi građanski rat, koji će trajno uneti zlu krv među različitim verskim grupama i verovatno dovesti do progona hrišćana i alavita.

kako lep i drzavotvoran post :)

[Bat Bat]

Apelujem da se i ne pokreće diskusija. Od ranije je poznato da se smrti broje od trenutka kad se umeša Amer ^TM zbog nafte.pre toga je unutrašnja stvar ^TM i neproverene vesti.

[Аврам Гојић]

Apelujem da se i ne pokreće diskusija. Od ranije je poznato da se smrti broje od trenutka kad se umeša Amer ^TM zbog nafte.pre toga je unutrašnja stvar ^TM i neproverene vesti.

sugestija se prihvata. been there, done that

[WTF]

Cekajte, zar nam nisu lepo objasnili jos za vreme Libije da Ameri™ nece ni prstom da mrdnu, jer u Siriji nema nafte?

[Fida'i]

Cekajte, zar nam nisu lepo objasnili jos za vreme Libije da Ameri™ nece ni prstom da mrdnu, jer u Siriji nema nafte?

To je Minka rekao, ja sam napisao sledeće:

Nisam od onih koji smatraju da je glavni prioritet spoljne politike američke imperije nafta. Marionetski režimi su ključni, posebno u zemljama kao što je Sirija gde postoji slobodarski duh. Isto kao što su ustali protiv Asada, suprotstaviće se i Izraelu i onima zbog kojih cionistički entitet još uvek postoji.

Karlos Latuf je najbolje prikazao zapadni plan za Siriju: Edited March 3, 2012 by Fida'i

[Anonymous]

To je Minka rekao...

Mislim da se ono o čemu WTF piše pojavilo onoliko pre 31. dec. prošle godine, a da je ovaj topik + onaj rudnik.

[Roger Sanchez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0nASbOg3B8T'was sooo bad when the bloody Zionist Jew did it!

[Bane5]

uzgred, sirijska vojska nakon zauzimanja homsa sada napada rastan. za ocekivati je da sve vece gradske centre i komunikacije koje ne kontrolisu povrate u skorije vreme. ipak, pobuna nece biti time u potpunosti ugusena. od mnogih stvari zavisice daljnji rasplet. zanimljivo je da se turska sada zalaze za 'jemenski scenario'.

[Budja]

uzgred, sirijska vojska nakon zauzimanja homsa sada napada rastan. za ocekivati je da sve vece gradske centre i komunikacije koje ne kontrolisu povrate u skorije vreme. ipak, pobuna nece biti time u potpunosti ugusena. od mnogih stvari zavisice daljnji rasplet. zanimljivo je da se turska sada zalaze za 'jemenski scenario'.

To je dobra vest (cini mi se da sam pominjao jemenski scenario ranije). Steta sto se od pocetka nije vuklo na tu vodenicu. Mozda bi se ovolike zrtve izbegle. To je diplomatije koje ponovo nije bilo (slicno kao u Libiji) ali koja je relativno dobro funckionisala u Jemenu (gde je, ipak, broj zrtava bio daleko manji i u odnosu na Libiju i u odnosu na Siriju).

[luba]

jeste znali da je avaaz i ovako aktivan

Known mostly for its international Internet campaigns and online petitions, global activist group Avaaz has taken on a more direct -- and riskier -- role with its support for the uprising in Syria. In the spotlight for its involvement in the evacuation of foreign journalists from Syria, Avaaz is emerging as a key player in the uprising by smuggling reporting equipment, correspondents and medical supplies into the country. Activists working with the group have assisted efforts to evacuate Western journalists trapped in Syria, including wounded French reporter Edith Bouvier and photographer William Daniels who arrived in Lebanon late Thursday. The group earlier helped British photographer Paul Conroy and Spanish reporter Javier Espinosa escape the besieged area of Baba Amr in the city of Homs to Lebanon, in an operation that saw 13 Syrians killed. Founded in 2007 to bring grassroots campaigning into the Internet age, Avaaz -- which means "voice" in Farsi and several other languages -- has seen its role in Syria, almost by accident, expand beyond online activism. "In scope and in scale the Syria operation is larger than any similar activity we have done," Avaaz's 35-year-old Canadian co-founder, Ricken Patel, told xx by telephone from New York. In its most high-profile previous campaigns, the group's activists -- dubbed "clicktivists" by some -- have organised online petitions gathering hundreds of thousands of signatures opposing US resistance to action on climate change, and supporting pro-democracy activists in Tibet, Myanmar and elsewhere. But it is the group's efforts to support "citizen journalists" in the Arab Spring uprisings -- initially funded by about $1.2 million in member donations -- that have brought it to the heart of the conflict in Syria. As popular uprisings spread through the Arab world last year, Avaaz launched a programme to provide high-tech kits containing satellite phones, cameras and other equipment that activists could use to post online videos of protests and government crackdowns. With journalists often prevented from covering the uprisings, the activists provided a vital flow of information to the outside world, Patel said. "International attention is part of the oxygen that sustains these movements," he said. In Syria, Avaaz developed a network of about 200 activists who provided video footage that was regularly used by international broadcasters and updates on the number of people killed in the unrest. A system was set up to bring the media kits into Syria and "as the conflict evolved the smuggling network that the activists had built became extremely valuable for other things," Patel said. First it was used to start bringing foreign journalists into the country, with Avaaz coordinating the smuggling in of 34 reporters. And as the humanitarian crisis in Syria deepened, Avaaz and the local activists began using the network to bring in desperately needed medical aid, including blood supplies and hospital equipment. Patel said around $2 million worth of medical aid, mainly supplied from international aid groups that have asked not to be named, has been brought in, mainly to Homs. Following the attack on the makeshift media centre in Homs that killed US reporter Marie Colvin and French photographer Remi Ochlik, Avaaz worked to evacuate other Western journalists from the city. The escape operation was difficult, with the journalists getting separated after coming under shell fire from Syrian forces, Avaaz said. Conroy and Espinosa left Baba Amr together but were separated after being fired on, and Espinosa took another day to escape. Bouvier and Daniels were forced to return to Baba Amr after they were shelled. Avaaz said in a statement Thursday that activists working with its networks were able to smuggle Bouvier and Daniels into a safer neighbourhood of Homs on Tuesday. It said Avaaz had lost contact with the rescue party in the 24 hours before the two arrived in Lebanon, but that it was "overjoyed to hear that they had made it to safety." Patel said at least 13 activists working with Avaaz were killed during the escape attempts and seven killed while trying to bring medical aid to the media centre after the initial attack. "They were doing that to get witnesses to a crime out of the country so they could tell their story, and that's what's really inspiring," said Patel, who worked with organisations including the International Crisis Group before helping to found Avaaz. Avaaz, which is funded solely through contributions from its more than 13 million members, has raised another $1.5 million for its campaign in Syria and will continue smuggling equipment and aid into the country, Patel said. "It's about trying to sustain the network of citizen journalists that are telling the world the story of the horror show that is going on in Syria, trying to get humanitarian aid in and trying mobilise the right kind of international action," he said.

Edited March 5, 2012 by luba

[Budja]

Bilo je i u Libiji, ali ne dovoljno i zakasnelo.

To i kazem. Ako se salju dvostruki i nejasni signali i jednoj i drugoj strani, to nije diplomatija.U Libiji je to, naravno, bilo tesko s obzirom da je u pitanju bio idiosinkratski ludak. Za Siriju znamo da je u pitanju okrutna rezimska masina nasledjena od Hafeza odgovorna za deseitne masakara osamdesetih godina i po Siriji i Libanu, ali masina koja vrlo dobro zna sta se oko nje desava.Ako se pre bilo kakvih pregovora kaze "Asad mora pasti" jos tamo u avgustu (Francuzi, pa i Turci), to nije diplomatija vec namigivanje i ohrabrivanje oruzane pobune a sve to uz svest da se toj i takvoj pobuni ne moze pomoci na odgovarajuci nacin. Dipomatija bi bila da se kazalo "Idemo na okrugli sto uz ucesce svih zainteresovanih strana ukljucujuci i ostale regionalne igrace, ne samo arapsku ligu." Nesto tipa mirne ali i neciste tranzicije gde bi revolucionari nakon iste pisali "kako je sve isto samo njega nema". Ali to se nije pokusalo.Kao rezultat, gradjanska pobuna sa desetinama mrtvih prerasla je u oruzanu pobunu sa stotinama i hiljadama mrtvih gde je uz sektasko mrcvarenje i produbljivanje podela u drustvu koje hrane rezimiski zlocinci ali verovatno i dobar deo sunitske opozicije.Fisk, zanimljiv kao i obicno.http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-fearful-realities-keeping-the-assad-regime-in-power-7534769.html

[Tutankamon]

Dva sirijska generala danas prebegla u TurskuJuče je takođe pobeglo nekoliko visokih oficira a čini mi se da je broj prebeglih brigadnih generala bio juče ukupno 6...zanimljivo je da postoje izveštaji o obuci FSA u Turskoj...čini mi se da je postignut nekakav konsenzus o naoružavanju i obuci FSA, koji pre svega čini Turska (koja preti i ratom, tj. nekakvom intervencijom) uz pomoć ostalih arapskih nacija...rekao bih da je arapsko-turske intervencija sve bliža i bliža, uz prećutnu podršku Amerike. Da li će ta intervencija biti i javna ili samo tajna videćemo. Očigledno je da odbegle generale prikupljaju i da nastoje da stvore nekakvu funkcionalnu komandu (po ovome što čitam čim negde prebegnu tj. odu u drugu zemlju šalju ih u Tursku)...očigledan je i pritisak na sirijske saveznike koji daje ploda. Verujem da će sačekati još par meseci sigurno da vide koliko će još ljudi da prebegne, da će u međuvremenu da stvore neku funkcionalnu komandu kao i da će nastojati da izbegnu veće borbe dok dovoljno ne obuče i ne naoružaju FSA bilo u Turskoj ili u pograničnim teritorijama koje ovi drže...Inače, danas je počeo napad na preostali deo Homsa koji drže pobunjenici (nije ceo pao sa padom Baba-amra)

[Roger Sanchez]

jebeš oficire koji prebjegnu bez svoje jedinice u džepu.