yolo Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Meni je bilo cudno (i nekako drago) da par nedelja posle izbora u prilicno trendy istanbulskoj cetvrti (blizu Moda parka) vidim dosta HDP plakata, i niti jedan ostecen ili iscepan. Sad misleni eksperiment, DSK plakati na Vracaru 90-tih. Tesko, mada doduse DSK i nije bio ni najmanje zainteresovan za tako nesto. hehe kadikoy. naravno...
MancMellow Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Žao mi je ali razlika između te dve sposobnosti je otprilike nebo i zemlja, u korist prosečnog Turčina. roristima protiv kojih sada mobilišu birače. Well, da li je nebo i zemlja to cemo znati kada i ako Kurdi prglase nezavisni Kurdistan na teritoriji Turske :D
hazard Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Meni je bilo cudno (i nekako drago) da par nedelja posle izbora u prilicno trendy istanbulskoj cetvrti (blizu Moda parka) vidim dosta HDP plakata, i niti jedan ostecen ili iscepan. Sad misleni eksperiment, DSK plakati na Vracaru 90-tih. Tesko, mada doduse DSK i nije bio ni najmanje zainteresovan za tako nesto. Za tako nesto bi ti prvo trebalo jedno 200.000 Albanaca u Beogradu, cega nikada nije bilo.
Kampokei Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Tacno, ali bi ih verovatno bilo toliko u Beogradu da je socijalna distanca izmedju Srba i Albanaca jednaka onoj izmedju Turaka i Kurda, ili Engleza i Iraca. A pisalo se ovde da za HDP nisu ovaj put glasali iskljucivo etnicki Kurdi i imao sam utisak da ovi plakati i nisu bili samo njima namenjeni.
hazard Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Albanci su u SFRJ imali daleko veca prava nego sto Kurdi imaju i dan-danas u Turskoj, a kamoli nego sto su imali donedavno (pre Erdogana). Cak i 90ih, kada su Albanci u Srbiji bili politicki obespravljeni, niko im nije poricao pravo da budu Albanci, i da se nasao neki albanski politicar sa znatnijom podrskom koji je hteo da saradjuje s Milosevicem, rade volje bi bio integrisan u sistem i istican kao Albanac u vlasti. Nedostatak 200k Albanaca u Beogradu nije samo rezultat kulturne distance (bilo ih je, 40-60k valjda po popisu iz '91.) nego i ekonomske politike u SFRJ koja je narocito u kasnijim decenijama tezila republickoj/pokrajinskoj autarhiji. Cinjenica da postoji "pro-kurdska" partija HDP (koja ne sme da se deklarise jasno kao kurdska) koja cilja i na druge glasace (bas da ne bi mogli da je obeleze kao partiju kurdske nacionalne manjine) je rezultat diskriminacije i represije koje turska drzava sprovodi nad Kurdima decenijama i tog velikog pritiska nad Kurdima da se asimiluju u Turke. HDP ne predstavlje sebe kao kurdsku partiju (i ako to de fakto u vecini slucajeva jeste). Dakle ono sto ti se cini kao nesto pozitivno u prvi mah, zapravo kada zagrebes malo, bas i nije tako.
Prospero Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Turkey Dragged A Kurdish Man Behind An Armored Vehicle. Then It Got Worse. The Turkish government has entered damage control mode after the release this weekend of images that appear to show authorities dragging the body of a dead Kurdish man by the neck behind an armored vehicle. The disturbing images have garnered coverage in top international news outlets. And the Turkish government's response has been nearly as disquieting as the images themselves. Pro-government media in the country initially questioned the authenticity of the images and video, which have spread widely on social media in recent days. But many media sources eventually abandoned that line of argument, instead suggesting that dragging Kurdish people through the street is an acceptable way of making sure there are no bombs on the bodies -- implying that handling corpses in such a way is justified at a time when the government has renewed hostilities with the armed, outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). That rationale is absurd even on its own terms: If there was a bomb on the body, dragging it through the streets would presumably be the last thing a government would want to do, unless the goal was to injure the people in the streets or the officers in the vehicle. Now, though, Turkish leaders are promising an investigation -- just not the kind you might expect. “It is unacceptable to treat any corpse this way, even if it is a dead terrorist,” Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told Turkish media Monday. “Our interior ministry... will conduct a comprehensive investigation, not into the incident itself, but into the way in which this incident was reflected to the world.” (The Guardian notes that Davutoglu did "not explicitly [confirm] the veracity of the video and photographs" of the body.) Photos first began surfacing on Twitter from pro-Kurdish accounts over the weekend. (Note: Some readers may find these images upsetting.) According to Turkish media, the victim was Haci Lokman Birlik, a Kurd with family ties to the pro-Kurdish HDP party. Violence in Turkey's Kurdish-majority southeast has reached devastating levels since the latest government-PKK conflict, recalling the bloodbaths of the 1990s. Fighting between security forces and PKK fighters erupted anew in July, as a two-year cease-fire crumbled after the PKK killed two police officers in apparent retaliation for an Islamic State-linked attack on volunteers hoping to bring aid to Syrian Kurds. Ankara has since launched air strikes against the PKK in Turkey and Iraq as the PKK has killed dozens of police officers and soldiers. The clashes have squelched any hope of a peace process between Ankara and the PKK in the near future. Turkish President Recep Erdogan's allies suffered a stinging defeat in recent elections, as some typically conservative Kurdish voters joined with secular Turks to rebuke Erdogan's party, the AKP. Erdogan has since used the specter of the PKK to wage war against the Kurdish region of the country, in a move that Turkey watchers say is intended to win him votes from ultra-nationalist Turks and fracture the nascent coalition of urban Turks and rural Kurds that routed him at the polls. After launching his assault, Erdogan called for new elections, which will be held Nov. 1. Max Hoffman, a Turkey analyst at the Center for American Progress, told The WorldPost he believes the controversy over the images spells trouble for Erdogan's hopes to bolster anti-Kurdish sentiment and win a November victory. "While many Kurds will tell you this sort of thing happens all the time and just doesn’t get out, images do tend to take on more power than mere verbal/written accounts," Hoffman wrote in an email. "I think this is a meaningful moment." He noted that the photograph suggests an ugly racial aspect to the conflict between the PKK and the Turkish government. "I think most reasonable Turkish citizens (Kurdish or not) see that image and are sickened," Hoffman wrote. "We don’t yet know the full story of how the man died, but the image undermines the government claims that they are conducting a professional and proportionate counter-terrorism operation. The image looks like a lynching and, indeed, it’s hard not to see a racial component to that sort of action -- it wasn’t enough to kill the man for security or political reasons, they had to desecrate his body." Turkey's concerns over the Kurds have proven challenging for the U.S., which seeks to work with Kurds in Iraq and Syria to combat the Islamic State group -- but can hardly back away from its NATO ally Turkey.
Prospero Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 BBC javlja o 2 eksplozije u Ankari, ima žrtava, ne zna se više za sada.
Prospero Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 Navodno preko 20 mrtvih, pretpostavlja se da je bombaš-samoubica, a bomba je eksplodirala prilikom nekakvog marša za mir.
Takeshi Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 koja taktika, bombama na mirovne aktiviste. (protest protiv intenziviranih napada turske na kurde)
Muwan Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Ne nekakvog, nego HDP marša. Izgleda kao c/p napada na završni miting HDP u Diyarbakiru neposredno uoči prethodne runde izbora. Edit: 30 mrtvih i više od 100 ranjenih. Ugasili smo ga do kraja meseca. Edited October 10, 2015 by beowl
Lord Protector Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Beowle, da nisu Sivi vukovi (MHP), neko njihovo vojno krilo? ili neka druga ekstremistička grupa? Edited October 10, 2015 by slow
Muwan Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 Jeste, ja baš znam ko stoji iza ovoga. Bombaši bre nisu znali. Sve mladi ljudi izginuli, strašno.
Ryan Franco Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 Igrali su neko kolo u momentu kad je grunulo. Jebote dokle to ide kad na mirovnom mitingu neko podmeće bombu.
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